Is government broken?

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3242046
Ever watch Cops? That stuff is real and unedited in most cases. The cops don't have to mirandise you until they are going to question you as a suspect in the case. If they crack you on a traffic warrant they don't have to show or tell you jack. Now if they came to your mother's house solely to pick you up on an outstanding warrant then that might be different, that would be up to WI law but I assume they issue a bench warrant which means the cops are acting on behalf of the court and the rules are different.
I assumed you meant determiner and responded accordingly. If that was not your intent please, feel free to enlighten me.
The San Antonio Police and Bexar County Sheriffs Dept. do these quarterly 'warrant sweeps' whereby they announce in the paper and on TV that if you have an outstanding warrant, you can come in and pay it, or be prepared to be picked up and arrested at either your home or your workplace the following week. They are clearing the court dockets of all the outstanding 'no shows' of misdemeanor traffic tickets. They don't have to show any warrants, and if they find you, they will take you down to either pay the fine, or spend the night in jail until you can go in front of a judge to plead your case. You get to pick. As reef stated, they have an open bench warrant for every inidividual on the list.
I want to know how they found out you were back home. Did some ex-lover who had it in for you that knew you had an outstanding warrant 'rat you out'?

When did a state driver's license policy become under federal control? I don't think there's any legal precedent that states a municipality has to report Class A Misdemeanors to the State (i.e Dept. Of Public Safety that issues the license). Most do it now because the State uses those violations for their respective "points systems" they place on an individual's license. Here in Texas, we didn't have the points stuff on our licenses until a couple years ago. Shoot, I remember 15 years or so ago, the counties in Texas never reported their tickets to the state. That was before the system got computerized. You could get a ticket from a local sheriff in a county that you didn't live in, and if you didn't go back through that county or get pulled over there in three years, the ticket disappeared off your record, because most counties didn't keep more than three years of paperwork. I also remember that most states didn't 'cooperate' with one another regarding warrants and outstanding tickets (again before computers). I remember getting some ticket in one of those Louisiana 'parishes' by some sheriff for speeding. He took my driver's license and gave me a temporary one. Told me when I came back to pay my fine (of course there would be a fair trial
), I'd get it back. As soon as I took off, I wadded up the ticket and threw it out the window. When I got home, I went to my local DPS, told them I lost my wallet, and they issued me a new license. I got some letter in the mail a couple months later from this Lousiana JP that said I had a warrant for my arrest, and if I didn't pay the fine, I'd be arrested. I figured that if they wanted to arrest me, they'd have to drive over 500 miles to do it. I tossed that letter and never heard anything again.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3241999
I've been "arrested" for less. Bear with me, this is a long story.
The last time I visited my former state of residence (WI) I was hauled out of my mother's house for an alleged traffic warrant. (We'll get back to that part.) I was asked to step outside, but I refused, so I was grabbed and pulled outside. I was cuffed and shoved into the back of the police car. I was not Mirandized, nor was I formally placed under arrest. The cop, on the way to the station, explained to me that if
I was found guilty of the violation, then my CA driver's license would be considered invalid in WI. I was hauled into the station, fingerprinted, photographed and was given a bill for $137.00. I paid in cash. The cops then drove me home while telling me there was no problem with my CA license, so I was free to drive a car in WI.
Here's the sitch. The community which "arrested" me did not file the violation with the State (that's a crime, btw. because the community, in not having reported my violation was attempting to avoid revenue sharing with the State.) Under the Clinton administration a law was passed which said that if I had an outstanding violation in State A, I could not get a driver's license in State B. I had a valid CA driver's licence. If any WI violations had existed, I could not have gotten one under Federal law.
Now, it is possible that the Fed screwed up and cleared me to get a license anyway. The likelier probability however, is that the local cops did not report my violation to the State. They do so because then they don't have to share revenue with the State as is required by law.
In recounting the story, I am not attempting to excuse myself from guilt in the original crime.
The problem is this: I was improperly "arrested" for something I did. How the local police department handled the entire situation was entirely Unconstitutional. I was not Mirandized, charged with any crime, there was no warrant for my arrest shown to me, there was no warrant to search the property, I was forcibly removed from private premises, the violation was not reported to the State (as required by law), etc.
The San Antonio Police and Bexar County Sheriffs Dept. do these quarterly 'warrant sweeps' whereby they announce in the paper and on TV that if you have an outstanding warrant, you can come in and pay it, or be prepared to be picked up and arrested at either your home or your workplace the following week. They are clearing the court dockets of all the outstanding 'no shows' of misdemeanor traffic tickets. They don't have to show any warrants, and if they find you, they will take you down to either pay the fine, or spend the night in jail until you can go in front of a judge to plead your case. You get to pick. As reef stated, they have an open bench warrant for every inidividual on the list.
I want to know how they found out you were back home. Did some ex-lover who had it in for you that knew you had an outstanding warrant 'rat you out'?

When did a state driver's license policy become under federal control? I don't think there's any legal precedent that states a municipality has to report Class A Misdemeanors to the State (i.e Dept. Of Public Safety that issues the license). Most do it now because the State uses those violations for their respective "points systems" they place on an individual's license. Here in Texas, we didn't have the points stuff on our licenses until a couple years ago. Shoot, I remember 15 years or so ago, the counties in Texas never reported their tickets to the state. That was before the system got computerized. You could get a ticket from a local sheriff in a county that you didn't live in, and if you didn't go back through that county or get pulled over there in three years, the ticket disappeared off your record, because most counties didn't keep more than three years of paperwork. I also remember that most states didn't 'cooperate' with one another regarding warrants and outstanding tickets (again before computers). I remember getting some ticket in one of those Louisiana 'parishes' by some sheriff for speeding. He took my driver's license and gave me a temporary one. Told me when I came back to pay my fine (of course there would be a fair trial
), I'd get it back. As soon as I took off, I wadded up the ticket and threw it out the window. When I got home, I went to my local DPS, told them I lost my wallet, and they issued me a new license. I got some letter in the mail a couple months later from this Lousiana JP that said I had a warrant for my arrest, and if I didn't pay the fine, I'd be arrested. I figured that if they wanted to arrest me, they'd have to drive over 500 miles to do it. I tossed that letter and never heard anything again.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3242226
I got some letter in the mail a couple months later from this Lousiana JP that said I had a warrant for my arrest, and if I didn't pay the fine, I'd be arrested. I figured that if they wanted to arrest me, they'd have to drive over 500 miles to do it. I tossed that letter and never heard anything again.
Guess you never plan on going To Mardi Gras or Lousiana for the rest of your life.
Also, now that I think about it, how do you pass all these High level federal background checks you go through with a warrant in another state showing up?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3242226
The San Antonio Police and Bexar County Sheriffs Dept. do these quarterly 'warrant sweeps' whereby they announce in the paper and on TV that if you have an outstanding warrant, you can come in and pay it, or be prepared to be picked up and arrested at either your home or your workplace the following week. They are clearing the court dockets of all the outstanding 'no shows' of misdemeanor traffic tickets. They don't have to show any warrants, and if they find you, they will take you down to either pay the fine, or spend the night in jail until you can go in front of a judge to plead your case. You get to pick. As reef stated, they have an open bench warrant for every inidividual on the list.
I want to know how they found out you were back home. Did some ex-lover who had it in for you that knew you had an outstanding warrant 'rat you out'?

When did a state driver's license policy become under federal control? I don't think there's any legal precedent that states a municipality has to report Class A Misdemeanors to the State (i.e Dept. Of Public Safety that issues the license). Most do it now because the State uses those violations for their respective "points systems" they place on an individual's license. Here in Texas, we didn't have the points stuff on our licenses until a couple years ago. Shoot, I remember 15 years or so ago, the counties in Texas never reported their tickets to the state. That was before the system got computerized. You could get a ticket from a local sheriff in a county that you didn't live in, and if you didn't go back through that county or get pulled over there in three years, the ticket disappeared off your record, because most counties didn't keep more than three years of paperwork. I also remember that most states didn't 'cooperate' with one another regarding warrants and outstanding tickets (again before computers). I remember getting some ticket in one of those Louisiana 'parishes' by some sheriff for speeding. He took my driver's license and gave me a temporary one. Told me when I came back to pay my fine (of course there would be a fair trial
), I'd get it back. As soon as I took off, I wadded up the ticket and threw it out the window. When I got home, I went to my local DPS, told them I lost my wallet, and they issued me a new license. I got some letter in the mail a couple months later from this Lousiana JP that said I had a warrant for my arrest, and if I didn't pay the fine, I'd be arrested. I figured that if they wanted to arrest me, they'd have to drive over 500 miles to do it. I tossed that letter and never heard anything again.
Heck, when I came to Colorado I just showed them my Montana DL and they did the paperwork for my Colorado license. They never ran squat, I watched them. For all this lady knew I could have had a dozen outstanding warrants.
Some states do have reciprocity agreements but I don't think there's any federal law requiring it because some states don't do it.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3242365
Guess you never plan on going To Mardi Gras or Lousiana for the rest of your life.
Also, now that I think about it, how do you pass all these High level federal background checks you go through with a warrant in another state showing up?
That was back in the 80's. They probably didn't even know what a computer was back then. Even today, any traffic violations you have on record with the Texas DPS are only on there for 3 years. Until Texas got computerized, I used to toss DPS tickets all the time. If I didn't get caught by a DPS within the 3 year time period, the ticket dropped off my record. My logic behind this was if I paid the fine, it went on my record for 3 years. Auto insurance companies base their rates on how many traffic violations you have on your driver's record. So not only do I have to pay the traffic fine, my insurance goes up 10% -20% for 3 years. Another nice thing back then was as long as the ticket case wasn't 'closed' with the court, it wasn't reported to Austin and put on my record. So I figured that if I dodged the cops for 3 years, I 1) Didn't pay the ticket fine, and 2) My insurance didn't go up. If I did happen to get caught, then I paid the ticket plus a Failure To Appear cost. But the date reported to Austin was the original ticket date. So if I got caught in Year 2 or 3, I saved at least two years of increased insurance rates. I used to do Field Service on computer mainframes back then. My coverage area was most of South Texas. I drove anywhere from 50,000 - 60,000 miles a year just for work. And this was when most Texas highways were 55MPH. Needless to say, I took Sammy Hagar's song "I Can't Drive 55" to heart.
 

uneverno

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3242046
If they crack you on a traffic warrant they don't have to show or tell you jack.
I was sorta cracked on a traffic warrant, but here's the rub: I had no outstanding warrant or tickets according to the State. I was also not busted in public. It was on private property. I was asked to step outside the domicile and I refused. Hilarity ensued. I had been hanging pictures in my mom's house, so in my mouth were nails and in my hand was a hammer. I was asked (while still inside) to put those down. I complied. At that point I was grabbed and pulled out of the house.
Now if they came to your mother's house solely to pick you up on an outstanding warrant then that might be different, that would be up to WI law but I assume they issue a bench warrant which means the cops are acting on behalf of the court and the rules are different.
Funny thing is that the only reason it was known that I was in WI at all is because my mom's neighbor was the neighboring municipality's chief of police. There was no warrant from either the state or the municipality. Just an outstanding ticket.
As an interesting (at least to me) aside, the chief was fired less than a year later for ethics violations and the municipality was under investigation by the State for not having reported tickets they issued as required by law...
I assumed you meant determiner and responded accordingly. If that was not your intent please, feel free to enlighten me.
Was my intent. The words being synonymous, I wasn't sure how to take your response questioning the definition.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3242648
I was sorta cracked on a traffic warrant, but here's the rub: I had no outstanding warrant or tickets according to the State. I was also not busted in public. It was on private property. I was asked to step outside the domicile and I refused. Hilarity ensued. I had been hanging pictures in my mom's house, so in my mouth were nails and in my hand was a hammer. I was asked (while still inside) to put those down. I complied. At that point I was grabbed and pulled out of the house.Funny thing is that the only reason it was known that I was in WI at all is because my mom's neighbor was the neighboring municipality's chief of police. There was no warrant from either the state or the municipality. Just an outstanding ticket.
As an interesting (at least to me) aside, the chief was fired less than a year later for ethics violations and the municipality was under investigation by the State for not having reported tickets they issued as required by law...
Was my intent. The words being synonymous, I wasn't sure how to take your response questioning the definition.
If you have your original ticket read it. You agree to appear in court or pay a fine in lieu of. If you don't appear it automatically goes to warrant as far as I know. It should say that right on the ticket.
 

uneverno

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3242735
If you have your original ticket read it. You agree to appear in court or pay a fine in lieu of. If you don't appear it automatically goes to warrant as far as I know. It should say that right on the ticket.
This was 15 years ago. There is no law requiring that the original, heat imprinted, data be legible now.
The upshot is this: I got a CA driver's licence. Had I had an outstanding ticket in WI, I couldn't have legally gotten the CA licence. The only reason I was allowed a CA licence is because the municipality which issued the original ticket didn't report that ticket to the State.
I'm not saying I did nothing wrong. I'm saying the municipality also did and they pinned the entirety on me. They were subsequently busted for having done so, not only to me, but to many other people as well.
Don't even get me started on what it cost me to prove to the State that I actually did pay child support. They lost the records and blamed me...
My point is: If we cannot accuse the State of a crime - as defined by the State itself - if we cannot tell the Government that we are Constitutionally enabled to hold them accountable for their actions - then we no longer live in a Constitutional Republic - we now live in an EMPIRE.
Lest you think this is a recent development, you can thank Lincoln for the concept's initiation.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3242817
This was 15 years ago. There is no law requiring that the original, heat imprinted, data be legible now.
The upshot is this: I got a CA driver's licence. Had I had an outstanding ticket in WI, I couldn't have legally gotten the CA licence. The only reason I was allowed a CA licence is because the municipality which issued the original ticket didn't report that ticket to the State.
I'm not saying I did nothing wrong. I'm saying the municipality also did and they pinned the entirety on me. They were subsequently busted for having done so, not only to me, but to many other people as well.
Don't even get me started on what it cost me to prove to the State that I actually did pay child support. They lost the records and blamed me...
My point is: If we cannot accuse the State of a crime - as defined by the State itself - if we cannot tell the Government that we are Constitutionally enabled to hold them accountable for their actions - then we no longer live in a Constitutional Republic - we now live in an EMPIRE.
Lest you think this is a recent development, you can thank Lincoln for the concept's initiation.
Quote me the law that says you can't be issued a license with a warrant from another state. I am pretty much a political junkie and have never heard of that, only that you must give your social security number so they can run a check for past due child support, the deadbeat dads law.
There are still states that don't report points and such. Like I posted earlier Colorado just looked at my montana license and handed it back to me and started the paper work, they never ran my number. They were more concerned that I was on crutches and had to get a doctors note saying I was capable of driving.
 

uneverno

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3242863
Quote me the law that says you can't be issued a license with a warrant from another state. I am pretty much a political junkie and have never heard of that, only that you must give your social security number so they can run a check for past due child support, the deadbeat dads law.
I unfortunately can't quote the law. It's been 15+ years and I don't recall the exact circumstances. What I know is this: CA required that all my WI tickets be paid before I could be issued a CA license. That was, according to CA DMV, a Clinton administration law which was, as I recall, connected to Federal deadbeat dad legislation.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3243583
I unfortunately can't quote the law. It's been 15+ years and I don't recall the exact circumstances. What I know is this: CA required that all my WI tickets be paid before I could be issued a CA license. That was, according to CA DMV, a Clinton administration law which was, as I recall, connected to Federal deadbeat dad legislation.
California has this 'agreement' with most of the states in this country whereby they will recognize any outstanding warrants or traffic violations of another state as long as that other state recipricates and does the same for them. I got a speeding ticket once from a Laguna Beach cop (turned right on red, when there was a 'No Turn On Red' sign). I was even in a rental car. I just tossed the ticket and went on my merry way, thinking how is a Laguna Beach cop going to track me down in Texas if I didn't pay the ticket. Well, a few months later I get this letter from the Texas DPS stating that I had this outstanding warrant in California, and since California was this 'sister' state that they cooperated with regarding these types of warrants, I had 30 days to clear out the warrant or my Texas license would be suspended. Needles to say, I paid the ticket.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3243636
California has this 'agreement' with most of the states in this country whereby they will recognize any outstanding warrants or traffic violations of another state as long as that other state recipricates and does the same for them. I got a speeding ticket once from a Laguna Beach cop (turned right on red, when there was a 'No Turn On Red' sign). I was even in a rental car. I just tossed the ticket and went on my merry way, thinking how is a Laguna Beach cop going to track me down in Texas if I didn't pay the ticket. Well, a few months later I get this letter from the Texas DPS stating that I had this outstanding warrant in California, and since California was this 'sister' state that they cooperated with regarding these types of warrants, I had 30 days to clear out the warrant or my Texas license would be suspended. Needles to say, I paid the ticket.

Yep, hard to hide when you have a cal license. A friend in MT had tickets all over the place he didn't pay because Montana doesn't cooperate with hardly any other states, or at least didn't at the time.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/3246842
If you have 30mins to waste watching this, it is the reason.
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_US/u...42f00aRCRD.htm
More government and new regulations isn't the answer. It's less. If you simplify accounting requirements, slash tax rates and remove loopholes suddenly it's becomes very hard to cook the books. There is an old adage "the more you complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain". I am a firm believer that the simpler you keep things the easier it is to spot irregularities./
 

uneverno

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3246876
More government and new regulations isn't the answer. It's less. If you simplify accounting requirements, slash tax rates and remove loopholes suddenly it's becomes very hard to cook the books. There is an old adage "the more you complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain". I am a firm believer that the simpler you keep things the easier it is to spot irregularities./
I cannot agree more.
Who wrote the tax code again?
 
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