beaslbob
Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Kip4130 all sounds logical (as most your theories do(the implementation is the tough part for me to swallow))
thanks and understand. new ideas are some hard to understand
but...
after setting up 4 systems and helping countless others...
I understand.
i have never heard of a properly cycled tank (via shrimp, LR, etc) not be able to populate the new system with enough nitrifying bacteria that it couldnt handle a single small fish that is fed regularly.
absolutely correct !!!!!!! I just don't have to add the caveiaot (woops my spelling again
). Those steps work regardless of the previous cycle and how proper it was. Just trying to kis it and goof proof it
i have also never seen a clean up crew eat algae so fast that there is none left in the short time after a cycle.
I have. Actually, the real problem is not having the plant life in there. It always took some time (if even just a few weeks) to get a good algae growth. Therefore, better to add the plant life first. Besides, the vastly reduces the uglies makes the cleaner crew unnecessary to begin with.
i also have issues with your miraculous plants that consume every element on the table down to 0ppm.
never said that. but they do consume ammonia, and filter out heavy ions and toxins. Down to 0.0 maybe but not necessary anyway. Reducing an ammonia spike to 10% of what it would have been should be good enough.
so.. round and round in circles we go again.
Just a good interchange of ideas.
kinda like we both have good ideas on traveling from A to B
but i choose an automobile and you choose a magic carpet.
A better analogy would be i choose to have a tank on autopilot you choose to fly it yourself
In the context of the thread, the three steps to the newbie, insured the cycle was completed, and the first fish lived. The specific context was that the tank was cycling and nitrItes had not come down to 0.0. No need to make things too hard. Add plant life, get nitrItes down to 0.0, add a fish and don't feed for a week. The only thing that would prevent that from working is a very sick fish. If the fish was only half sick, and just stressed out, then those instructions would insure it recovered and became healthy.
That type of goof proof advice is exactly what the newbie needs. What they don't need is a bunch of flames from people who have never heard that advice before, never implemented that advice, and therefore can not possibility understand that advice, stating that advice is bad.
thanks and understand. new ideas are some hard to understand
but...
after setting up 4 systems and helping countless others...
I understand.
i have never heard of a properly cycled tank (via shrimp, LR, etc) not be able to populate the new system with enough nitrifying bacteria that it couldnt handle a single small fish that is fed regularly.
absolutely correct !!!!!!! I just don't have to add the caveiaot (woops my spelling again
). Those steps work regardless of the previous cycle and how proper it was. Just trying to kis it and goof proof iti have also never seen a clean up crew eat algae so fast that there is none left in the short time after a cycle.
I have. Actually, the real problem is not having the plant life in there. It always took some time (if even just a few weeks) to get a good algae growth. Therefore, better to add the plant life first. Besides, the vastly reduces the uglies makes the cleaner crew unnecessary to begin with.
i also have issues with your miraculous plants that consume every element on the table down to 0ppm.
never said that. but they do consume ammonia, and filter out heavy ions and toxins. Down to 0.0 maybe but not necessary anyway. Reducing an ammonia spike to 10% of what it would have been should be good enough.
so.. round and round in circles we go again.
Just a good interchange of ideas.
kinda like we both have good ideas on traveling from A to B
but i choose an automobile and you choose a magic carpet.
A better analogy would be i choose to have a tank on autopilot you choose to fly it yourself
In the context of the thread, the three steps to the newbie, insured the cycle was completed, and the first fish lived. The specific context was that the tank was cycling and nitrItes had not come down to 0.0. No need to make things too hard. Add plant life, get nitrItes down to 0.0, add a fish and don't feed for a week. The only thing that would prevent that from working is a very sick fish. If the fish was only half sick, and just stressed out, then those instructions would insure it recovered and became healthy.
That type of goof proof advice is exactly what the newbie needs. What they don't need is a bunch of flames from people who have never heard that advice before, never implemented that advice, and therefore can not possibility understand that advice, stating that advice is bad.
