Is the war with Iran coming?
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1journeyman
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Originally Posted by krj-1168
I'm not bashing Bush - The Fact is he's an Idiot - Both our current President & Vice President(combined) have less common sense than a Chimp has.
....
A "chimp" that supposedly was able to lie and deceive the known world into attacking Iraq.... a "chimp" that somehow pulled the wool over the eyes of every major Democratic leader....
What does that say about the intelligence of the opposition?
I'm not bashing Bush - The Fact is he's an Idiot - Both our current President & Vice President(combined) have less common sense than a Chimp has.
....
A "chimp" that supposedly was able to lie and deceive the known world into attacking Iraq.... a "chimp" that somehow pulled the wool over the eyes of every major Democratic leader....
What does that say about the intelligence of the opposition?
seasalt101
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Why do I always get misquoted?
because that is what democrats do twist it around to make the original quote look like they are mis-informed or ridiculous and use it to meet there agenda you know that...tobin
Why do I always get misquoted?
because that is what democrats do twist it around to make the original quote look like they are mis-informed or ridiculous and use it to meet there agenda you know that...tobin
groupergenius
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Folks, let's remember something. It's not the people of Iran who wants to Nuke Israel. It's the leaders. The average man-o-the-street Iranian from what I understand is way more Western minded than most of us can imagine. It is the maniacal leadership of the religious mullahs and Ahmadinejad that are threatening the stability and peace in the region.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
..HAVE YOU LOOKED AT BUSH'S POLL RATINGS RECENTLY? Seems to me that most of America are idiots then.
Have ya looked at the Congressional approval rating? Last time I checked, the Democrats that were elected with their vaunted "mandate" currently have the lowest approval rating ever... Even lower than the President's...
..HAVE YOU LOOKED AT BUSH'S POLL RATINGS RECENTLY? Seems to me that most of America are idiots then.
Have ya looked at the Congressional approval rating? Last time I checked, the Democrats that were elected with their vaunted "mandate" currently have the lowest approval rating ever... Even lower than the President's...
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
OMG that is the worse comeback ever.
Economy-How much are we spending on the war? What is this I hear about the stocks dropping and the housing market going down? Our economy? Strong?
Global Warming-Oh sure we're clean. LA is a giant rainforest.
Iraq- We can't get out. No matter how much we want to because some prez screwed us up.
War on Terror-What? Is IRAQ A Terrorist house? LOL OMG Now it is but that's Bush's fault too. If we sent half the troops that are in Iraq to search for the terrorists, I wonder how many more we'd have killed or captured.
You need to do a quick study on the economy... Ya, the stock market has gone down in the past couple of weeks.... of course it recently hit AN ALL TIME HIGH.... Home ownership in this country is at an all time high... etc.
Are you seriously blaming President Bush for global warming?
Iraq... even many Democratic leaders this week have admitted the surge is working.
Terrorism... Want to compare the current President's success rate in dealing with terrorism with the former admin's?
OMG that is the worse comeback ever.
Economy-How much are we spending on the war? What is this I hear about the stocks dropping and the housing market going down? Our economy? Strong?
Global Warming-Oh sure we're clean. LA is a giant rainforest.
Iraq- We can't get out. No matter how much we want to because some prez screwed us up.
War on Terror-What? Is IRAQ A Terrorist house? LOL OMG Now it is but that's Bush's fault too. If we sent half the troops that are in Iraq to search for the terrorists, I wonder how many more we'd have killed or captured.
You need to do a quick study on the economy... Ya, the stock market has gone down in the past couple of weeks.... of course it recently hit AN ALL TIME HIGH.... Home ownership in this country is at an all time high... etc.
Are you seriously blaming President Bush for global warming?
Iraq... even many Democratic leaders this week have admitted the surge is working.
Terrorism... Want to compare the current President's success rate in dealing with terrorism with the former admin's?
groupergenius
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Originally Posted by krj-1168
Btw - I tend to think of my self - as neither liberal nor conservative - but mainstream.
But I do give GW credit for one - thing - in both elections he ran on his strongest point - morality.
Would you not agree that GW has backed up what he said he would do??
How many times have politicians from both sides promised out their mouth with their fingers firmly crossed behind their backs??
While so many say that Bush lies. I keep hearing him say that he is determined to fight this "War on Terrorism" and he is sticking by it. Is it that dogged determination to stick by his guns that upsets the apple-cart so much?? The same ilk that denounces Bush in the media does the same to the Democratic hopefulls that speak their true feelings.
Btw - I tend to think of my self - as neither liberal nor conservative - but mainstream.
But I do give GW credit for one - thing - in both elections he ran on his strongest point - morality.
Would you not agree that GW has backed up what he said he would do??
How many times have politicians from both sides promised out their mouth with their fingers firmly crossed behind their backs??
While so many say that Bush lies. I keep hearing him say that he is determined to fight this "War on Terrorism" and he is sticking by it. Is it that dogged determination to stick by his guns that upsets the apple-cart so much?? The same ilk that denounces Bush in the media does the same to the Democratic hopefulls that speak their true feelings.
seasalt101
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i've been debating this alone for hours do i finally have some back-up?...tobin
krj-1168
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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
(As smart--- sarcastic as possible) Difference is that they would not have acted on it.
Agreed.
1st off look at wall street closings to look at the economy yes it has been down the last couple of days due to financial instituitions loaning to people with bad credit for mortgages but after that it is still higher than clintons terms
2nd clinton never lied?
3rd who do you think would of done better? whoever it is would of had the same intelligence analysis as gw
nothing is going to stop global warming if that is truly what is happening we are not god, by the way there is global warming on mars too, i guess that electric rover up there is a big polluter...tobin
Today 08:30 PM
1) First off - the Dow Jones is just one of many indicators of the state of the economy. But the Dow doesn't tell the full story about how the economy's doing. You also have to look at a dozen or more other economic factors - such as new homes construction, new cars sales, new jobs, unemployment, interest rates, & inflation just to name a few.
2.) Never said Clinton didnt lie - he's a politican like Bush is - and the fact is most politicans tend to lie. So of course - Clinton Lied.
3.)almost anyone would have done better than Bush with the available information - why - because they likely wouldn't have a personal agenda against Saddam - like Bush did. GW wanted to do what his daddy couldn't - "Get Saddam" simple as that.
4.) Your confusing Planetary global warming and cool periods vs. Man-made Global Warming. The Global Warming being talked about by the scientific community now - is MAN-MADE - not caused by increased Volcanic active or a slight change in the Earth's orbit.
(As smart--- sarcastic as possible) Difference is that they would not have acted on it.
Agreed.
1st off look at wall street closings to look at the economy yes it has been down the last couple of days due to financial instituitions loaning to people with bad credit for mortgages but after that it is still higher than clintons terms
2nd clinton never lied?
3rd who do you think would of done better? whoever it is would of had the same intelligence analysis as gw
nothing is going to stop global warming if that is truly what is happening we are not god, by the way there is global warming on mars too, i guess that electric rover up there is a big polluter...tobin
Today 08:30 PM
1) First off - the Dow Jones is just one of many indicators of the state of the economy. But the Dow doesn't tell the full story about how the economy's doing. You also have to look at a dozen or more other economic factors - such as new homes construction, new cars sales, new jobs, unemployment, interest rates, & inflation just to name a few.
2.) Never said Clinton didnt lie - he's a politican like Bush is - and the fact is most politicans tend to lie. So of course - Clinton Lied.
3.)almost anyone would have done better than Bush with the available information - why - because they likely wouldn't have a personal agenda against Saddam - like Bush did. GW wanted to do what his daddy couldn't - "Get Saddam" simple as that.
4.) Your confusing Planetary global warming and cool periods vs. Man-made Global Warming. The Global Warming being talked about by the scientific community now - is MAN-MADE - not caused by increased Volcanic active or a slight change in the Earth's orbit.
veni vidi vici
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Originally Posted by krj-1168
Btw - I tend to think of my self - as neither liberal nor conservative - but mainstream.
But I do give GW credit for one - thing - in both elections he ran on his strongest point - morality.
That says alot about the man .You gotta stand for something or you will fall for anything.
Btw - I tend to think of my self - as neither liberal nor conservative - but mainstream.
But I do give GW credit for one - thing - in both elections he ran on his strongest point - morality.
That says alot about the man .You gotta stand for something or you will fall for anything.
seasalt101
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Originally Posted by krj-1168
Agreed.
1) First off - the Dow Jones is just one of many indicators of the state of the economy. But the Dow doesn't tell the full story about how the economy's doing.
2.) Never said Clinton didnt lie - he's a politican like Bush is - and the fact is most politicans tend to lie.
3.)almost anyone would have done better than Bush with the available information - why - because they likely wouldn't have a personal agenda against Saddam - like Bush did. GW wanted to do what his daddy couldn't - "Get Saddam".
4.) Your confusing Planetary global warming and cool periods vs. Man-made Global Warming. The Global Warming being talked about by the scientific community now - is MAN-MADE - not caused by increased Volcanic active or a slight change in the Earth's orbit.
then that makes the global warming thing theory only i'm ok with change in the weather pattern, el nino la nina etc. but here in west texas we have only had 5 days of over 100+ temp normally about 50 days but you still can't blame bush for that it's nowhere near his fault...tobin
Agreed.
1) First off - the Dow Jones is just one of many indicators of the state of the economy. But the Dow doesn't tell the full story about how the economy's doing.
2.) Never said Clinton didnt lie - he's a politican like Bush is - and the fact is most politicans tend to lie.
3.)almost anyone would have done better than Bush with the available information - why - because they likely wouldn't have a personal agenda against Saddam - like Bush did. GW wanted to do what his daddy couldn't - "Get Saddam".
4.) Your confusing Planetary global warming and cool periods vs. Man-made Global Warming. The Global Warming being talked about by the scientific community now - is MAN-MADE - not caused by increased Volcanic active or a slight change in the Earth's orbit.
then that makes the global warming thing theory only i'm ok with change in the weather pattern, el nino la nina etc. but here in west texas we have only had 5 days of over 100+ temp normally about 50 days but you still can't blame bush for that it's nowhere near his fault...tobin
groupergenius
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Originally Posted by seasalt101
i've been debating this alone for hours do i finally have some back-up?...tobin
It looks like you have had it a few times today.
But no worries, friend. I got your back.
i've been debating this alone for hours do i finally have some back-up?...tobin
It looks like you have had it a few times today.
veni vidi vici
Active Member
Getting back to the original question.It is my opinion that we take out Irans ability to produce Nuclear Weapons at all cost or one day soon we will regret it.
This is why,
1. Because all of the statements above comming from the Iranian president are very,very scary.
2.Muslim extreamist= Believing Killing as many Americans aka "the Great Satan" as possible no matter if it requires dieing in the process ,will bring them Great reward from Ahlla.
3.Out of options. Talking to Deaf ears is a waste of air.
John McCain for President
This is why,
1. Because all of the statements above comming from the Iranian president are very,very scary.
2.Muslim extreamist= Believing Killing as many Americans aka "the Great Satan" as possible no matter if it requires dieing in the process ,will bring them Great reward from Ahlla.
3.Out of options. Talking to Deaf ears is a waste of air.
John McCain for President
mike22cha
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Man, I leave for an hour and Ken is being attacked from all sides. Don't worry I'm back getting his back.
Global Warming-No it is not made by Bush. Why would you guys think that? Wasn't it you guys and so many Republicans like you that deinied global warming?
All I got to say is you guys would follow Bush to the Gates of Hell if he led you there.
And for the whole misquoting thing, sorry 1journeyman, just summarizing what you guys were saying.
Seasalt, we're the ones twisting the truth? Give me a break.
All I can say is, neither side seems to be giving way. What's the point of carrying on this debate? The point of debate is to convience the other side or conveince spectators. This is the reason why I try to stop myself from particapating on pointless debates on here with stubborn people(including me). No one is going to turn from a Republican to a Democrat on here or vice versa.
So guys, thank you for an intellectualy fun time, and have a great night. Hope no one's views of one another decreased at all. I respect all of you, and even though we may not agree on politics, we can still enjoy saltwater fish together.
Global Warming-No it is not made by Bush. Why would you guys think that? Wasn't it you guys and so many Republicans like you that deinied global warming?
All I got to say is you guys would follow Bush to the Gates of Hell if he led you there.
And for the whole misquoting thing, sorry 1journeyman, just summarizing what you guys were saying.
Seasalt, we're the ones twisting the truth? Give me a break.
All I can say is, neither side seems to be giving way. What's the point of carrying on this debate? The point of debate is to convience the other side or conveince spectators. This is the reason why I try to stop myself from particapating on pointless debates on here with stubborn people(including me). No one is going to turn from a Republican to a Democrat on here or vice versa.
So guys, thank you for an intellectualy fun time, and have a great night. Hope no one's views of one another decreased at all. I respect all of you, and even though we may not agree on politics, we can still enjoy saltwater fish together.
digitydash
Active Member
lil' tanker said:Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
It's funny how whenever I ask someone if they watch it they say: I don't get it.
LOL sounds like a
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comment to me.
And hey, as long as the cartoon is written by Dem's, sounds a lot better than the crap I hear.
Oh and if you want to talk about Lil' Bush, two of my close friends love that show and are as Republican as you can get(Almost as close as you guys).
One of them was listening to talk radio in 6th Grade.
All I got to say is I am Mike22's friend who was listening to republican talk radio in sixth grade even probably before that. And though I may laugh at lil' Bush I still support him to an extent. He's made mistakes but who was that last president who was having an AFFAIR in the whitehouse?
Don't hate on cliton cause he geting some strange on the side.If I was married to hillary I probly would to.He the player president
groupergenius
Active Member
Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
Man, I leave for an hour and Ken is being attacked from all sides. Don't worry I'm back getting his back.
Global Warming-No it is not made by Bush. Why would you guys think that? Wasn't it you guys and so many Republicans like you that deinied global warming?
All I got to say is you guys would follow Bush to the Gates of Hell if he led you there.
And for the whole misquoting thing, sorry 1journeyman, just summarizing what you guys were saying.
Seasalt, we're the ones twisting the truth? Give me a break.
All I can say is, neither side seems to be giving way. What's the point of carrying on this debate? The point of debate is to convience the other side or conveince spectators. This is the reason why I try to stop myself from particapating on pointless debates on here with stubborn people(including me). No one is going to turn from a Republican to a Democrat on here or vice versa.
So guys, thank you for an intellectualy fun time, and have a great night. Hope no one's views of one another decreased at all. I respect all of you, and even though we may not agree on politics, we can still enjoy saltwater fish together.
A debate is the attempt to sway the opinion of the audience. Not the participants.
G-nite mike.
Man, I leave for an hour and Ken is being attacked from all sides. Don't worry I'm back getting his back.
Global Warming-No it is not made by Bush. Why would you guys think that? Wasn't it you guys and so many Republicans like you that deinied global warming?
All I got to say is you guys would follow Bush to the Gates of Hell if he led you there.
And for the whole misquoting thing, sorry 1journeyman, just summarizing what you guys were saying.
Seasalt, we're the ones twisting the truth? Give me a break.
All I can say is, neither side seems to be giving way. What's the point of carrying on this debate? The point of debate is to convience the other side or conveince spectators. This is the reason why I try to stop myself from particapating on pointless debates on here with stubborn people(including me). No one is going to turn from a Republican to a Democrat on here or vice versa.
So guys, thank you for an intellectualy fun time, and have a great night. Hope no one's views of one another decreased at all. I respect all of you, and even though we may not agree on politics, we can still enjoy saltwater fish together.
A debate is the attempt to sway the opinion of the audience. Not the participants.
G-nite mike.
krj-1168
Member
then that makes the global warming thing theory only i'm ok with change in the weather pattern, el nino la nina etc. but here in west texas we have only had 5 days of over 100+ temp normally about 50 days but you still can't blame bush for that it's nowhere near his fault...tobin
First off - Global Warming isn't just a theory - it pretty much scientific fact. Cases in point - look at all the extreme weather we've had in the US in the last few months alone - Extreme Drought in the South East, Flooding in Texas, & Mid West, below Normal temps in the North East, Also Drought conditions in the North West.
BTW - More Frequent El Ninos, & La Ninas are part of the signs of Global Warming. While Global Warming is an increase in over all atmopheric temps, it's also characterized by more extreme weather - including more intense Hurricanes/typhoons,Droughts, floods etc.
No - Bush can't be blamed for causing Global Warming - at least no more so than anyone else. But his political view haven't done much to help look for solutions to the problem either. Remember the Kyoto Accords (I think that how it spelled) - which is an international group of nation - looking to impose restrictions on Greenhouse emissions on developed nations. Bush pulled the U.S. out of them - because he said it would hurt our economy. When the truth is we would have had to develop lots of new jobs to help make our industries more eco-friendly. But the basic technology was already in existence - the industries just need converting over.
First off - Global Warming isn't just a theory - it pretty much scientific fact. Cases in point - look at all the extreme weather we've had in the US in the last few months alone - Extreme Drought in the South East, Flooding in Texas, & Mid West, below Normal temps in the North East, Also Drought conditions in the North West.
BTW - More Frequent El Ninos, & La Ninas are part of the signs of Global Warming. While Global Warming is an increase in over all atmopheric temps, it's also characterized by more extreme weather - including more intense Hurricanes/typhoons,Droughts, floods etc.
No - Bush can't be blamed for causing Global Warming - at least no more so than anyone else. But his political view haven't done much to help look for solutions to the problem either. Remember the Kyoto Accords (I think that how it spelled) - which is an international group of nation - looking to impose restrictions on Greenhouse emissions on developed nations. Bush pulled the U.S. out of them - because he said it would hurt our economy. When the truth is we would have had to develop lots of new jobs to help make our industries more eco-friendly. But the basic technology was already in existence - the industries just need converting over.
seasalt101
Active Member
thanks gg man i normally have at least 2-3 conservatives with me going alone is tough...tobin
groupergenius
Active Member
Originally Posted by krj-1168
First off - Global Warming isn't just a theory - it pretty much scientific fact. Cases in point - look at all the extreme weather we've had in the US in the last few months alone - Extreme Drought in the South East, Flooding in Texas, & Mid West, below Normal temps in the North East, Also Drought conditions in the North West.
BTW - More Frequent El Ninos, & La Ninas are part of the signs of Global Warming. While Global Warming is an increase in over all atmopheric temps, it's also characterized by more extreme weather - including more intense Hurricanes/typhoons,Droughts, floods etc.
No Bush is to blame for Global Warming - at least no more so than anyone else. But his political view haven't done much to help look for solutions to the problem either. Remember the Kyoto Accords (I think that how it spelled) - which is an international group of nation - looking to impose restrictions on Greenhouse emissions on developed nations. Bush pulled the U.S. out of them - because he said it would hurt our economy. When the truth is we would have had to develop lots of new jobs to help make our industries more eco-friendly. But the basic technology was already in existence - the industries just need converting over.
As of December 2006, a total of 169 countries and other governmental entities have ratified the agreement (representing over 61.6% of emissions from Annex I countries).[2][3] Notable exceptions include the United States and Australia. Other countries, like India and China, which have ratified the protocol, are not required to reduce carbon emissions under the present agreement.
First off - Global Warming isn't just a theory - it pretty much scientific fact. Cases in point - look at all the extreme weather we've had in the US in the last few months alone - Extreme Drought in the South East, Flooding in Texas, & Mid West, below Normal temps in the North East, Also Drought conditions in the North West.
BTW - More Frequent El Ninos, & La Ninas are part of the signs of Global Warming. While Global Warming is an increase in over all atmopheric temps, it's also characterized by more extreme weather - including more intense Hurricanes/typhoons,Droughts, floods etc.
No Bush is to blame for Global Warming - at least no more so than anyone else. But his political view haven't done much to help look for solutions to the problem either. Remember the Kyoto Accords (I think that how it spelled) - which is an international group of nation - looking to impose restrictions on Greenhouse emissions on developed nations. Bush pulled the U.S. out of them - because he said it would hurt our economy. When the truth is we would have had to develop lots of new jobs to help make our industries more eco-friendly. But the basic technology was already in existence - the industries just need converting over.
As of December 2006, a total of 169 countries and other governmental entities have ratified the agreement (representing over 61.6% of emissions from Annex I countries).[2][3] Notable exceptions include the United States and Australia. Other countries, like India and China, which have ratified the protocol, are not required to reduce carbon emissions under the present agreement.
groupergenius
Active Member
Originally Posted by seasalt101
thanks gg man i normally have at least 2-3 conservatives with me going alone is tough...tobin
Just keep showing the facts. Not the rhetoric spewed by the other team.
Tobin, did ya ever notice how it's easy to show absolute facts, recorded and documented information? Well, except for the documents Sandy "Burglar" shoved in his pants.
thanks gg man i normally have at least 2-3 conservatives with me going alone is tough...tobin
Just keep showing the facts. Not the rhetoric spewed by the other team.
Tobin, did ya ever notice how it's easy to show absolute facts, recorded and documented information? Well, except for the documents Sandy "Burglar" shoved in his pants.