Is this hobby always so frustrating?

tur4k

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Originally Posted by Bubblegurl http:///t/387494/is-this-hobby-always-so-frustrating/120#post_3413821
Ok yes we have a canister filter, running pre filters and carbon. Should stop asking questions when at work and cant think of proper terms....sorry. My new live rock now has some red coroline algae (sp) on it, that's new today and didn't have to clean glass tonight. We don't feed flakes or pellets, ended up with red slime, not sure if it was related. but seems like tank is on the right track now. If doing reg water changes, good cuc and new live rock setting up, I think we are back on track not sure if an algae scrubber is required right now. If we go another day with clear glass, will increase light time a bit. Just trying to understand the sump system and refugium, and if/when they are needed. Ultimately we would like a reef tank with compatible fish.
Algae on the glass is pretty normal. You may want to pick up a phosphate test kit before exerting energy trying to combat phosphates. I was under the impression that you were having hair algae issues which is definitely a sign of phosphates. I also brought it up because I think phosphates tend to get overlooked too often and can be tougher to combat then nitrates.
The most common use for a sump is to provide a place for equipment to interact with your water outside of the display tank. Skimmers, heaters, reactors and such are usually placed out of sight in the sump.
A refugium is a type of sump. It provides a safe refuge for stuff that would probably get devoured or are too delicate to be in the main tank. Refugium's are most commonly used to grow macro algae's and as a breeding ground for copepods.
 

bubblegurl

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No hair algae since initial cycle. The last few posts have helped to understand the relationship between ammonia, nitrites and nitrates and phosphates. We've never had detectable levels of these either. I think the tank went thru something with adding in the new LR, I love that the rocks are now changing color! Eventually I will learn all the proper lingo :laughing:
Thanks for explaining the sumps and refugiums too, think we're a way off on starting or needing a refugium.
So now kids are asking about adding more fish and corals or anenome....One boy wants black clowns(2), the other saw (cool) fish at lfs but can't remember what they were. I don't want anenomes for a while. They know no new inhabitants until they are researched first. Should we wait another few weeks given the last couple before adding anything?
 

1guydude

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imo id wait at least 10days! Also give us a reminder of current livestock and stats on tank....size in particular lol!
 

bubblegurl

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55 gl, 1 each of the following-yellow tang, bangaii cardinal, purple dotty back, blue green chromis. Frogspawn, button brain and bubble coral. Salinity yesterday was 1.025. Other tests done last week, calcium was low (400) but magnesium and ph were fine. Running tunze skimmer, koralia 4 and vortech 10 pump, temp 80, LEDs and t5 lights. Oh and a healthy cuc, peppermint shrimp and red fire shrimp -1each.
I'm ok with waiting, the kids know we've been having issues. Had a clown jump yesterday :sad: she was the youngest boy's first pick.
 

tur4k

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Inverts like corals, shrimp and crabs have a low impact on your biological filtration. You can pretty much add these at will. Just keep an eye on dkH and calcium if you're adding a lot of stony corals.
Fish should be added slowly. No more then one or two per week. You need to allow time for the beneficial bacteria that convert ammonia and nitrites to multiply to handle the additional bioload of new fish.
You mentioned clown fish. A lot of people buy two clowns. They are hermaphroditic. They all start out as males and then mature into females as needed. So if you start with two small males, the larger one will turn into a female.
 

bubblegurl

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Will do another wc this week, see where things are at then go from there. I like the black false perculas, but will let him pick, the plan is for a pair. We know to go slow and will stick with smaller fish, no damsels. Would like a blenny...the inverts are fine for now, waiting to see if we have any baby snails.
Sps/lps will wait for another few weeks before adding more....
 

tur4k

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Originally Posted by Bubblegurl http:///t/387494/is-this-hobby-always-so-frustrating/140#post_3413905
Would like a blenny...
I'm a big fan of Midas Blenny's. They are pretty hardy and tend to have a lot of personality. Unfortunately they are also expert jumpers. I've had a few and they all eventually managed to jump out of my tank. I'll probably pick up another at some point.
Flame Hawks are also really really entertaining fish. They move from perch to perch to perch. My Flame Hawk is hilarious. They do have a habit of eating small shrimp though. Losing a small peppermint shrimp every now and then is totally worth it in my opinion. He's just so much fun to watch.
My most recent Midas Blenny chilling in his leather:
 

bubblegurl

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I don't think I could handle a jumper, was so worried about the corals, didn't think I'd lose a fish......don't think we'll be picking any up till next weekend, boys have hockey and football this week, then they are at their moms so will have to wait till following weekend...probably a good thing
What do baby snails look like? I just noticed lots of little white things crawling around on the back glass. There are tons of them and they are pretty quick, can't take a pic, too small.
And no algae on the glass again today!
 

snakeblitz33

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All of those white things crawling on the back glass is probably copepods.
You probably need to wait until your tank is almost a year old before adding SPS corals. Then again, you can test the waters by adding a few frags here and there.
 

bubblegurl

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The Copepods are a good thing right??
I jumped the gun and added 3, big ones a few weeks ago. They are the reason this thread started, everything went nuts in the tank. Will not add anymore and working to keep them alive. They are all doing well. Guess my learning curve went straight up fast.
 

tur4k

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/387494/is-this-hobby-always-so-frustrating/140#post_3414166
All of those white things crawling on the back glass is probably copepods.
You probably need to wait until your tank is almost a year old before adding SPS corals. Then again, you can test the waters by adding a few frags here and there.
Depends on the SPS. There are some pretty hardy SPS like my Montipora Capricornus. You should probably stay away from more demanding SPS like Acro's for a while.
 

1guydude

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I found out the hard way about acros! Montis too...i find milliporas and polliporas to be a lil more easier in my case!
 

bubblegurl

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The ones I have are said to be good beginner ones, won't be adding any more. Would like some zoos tho, not sure about mushrooms. Either way will go with frags, much cheaper. We've got some little flower type things on one of our rocks, not sure what it is but they like the new spot and seem to be multiplying. Maybe something good will show up on the new rocks too.
 

tur4k

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Originally Posted by 1guyDude http:///t/387494/is-this-hobby-always-so-frustrating/140#post_3414198
I found out the hard way about acros! Montis too...i find milliporas and polliporas to be a lil more easier in my case!
I think it depends on the Monti. I had a Montipora Spongodes that died out from a phosphate spike in my early days of reef keeping. He didn't seem all that hardy. My Montipora Capricornus is one tough coral. It started out as a quarter sized patch of bleached coral that hitch hiked in one of my rocks. I thought it was just a dead skeleton until it started to turn orange after a couple of weeks. It's been through a lot of ups and downs in my tank. It just keeps growing and growing..
This is a picture I took back in May. The Monti Cap is dead center.
 

1guydude

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ya the one i tried was a encrusting monti...it was supposed to be superman but the polyps were bright orange and the thing never turned blue! I gave it away to someone who would hopefully take care of it!
id try a monti cap but i dont want it to cover my other corals! Maybe when i get my bigger tank goin!
 

snakeblitz33

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As stated, some SPS corals are easy to keep - for being SPS corals. I'm glad to see that you have learned a lot from these forums so far. Stick around... you may learn a few more things!
 
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