Killer Whale Lives up to his name...
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oceankid
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Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3235885
A well fed cat won't eat the critter it plays with. The fun is in the chase. Some cats will pretend to let a mouse go, only to pounce and recapture it, that’s why some critters play dead, in hopes the eater will just get bored and leave them to escape. The more they fight the more hurt/dead they are when the game ends.
Cats can't be the only ones that do this, or there wouldn't be so many animals that play dead and hope to escape. They learn the behavior of playing dead for survivals sake.
So true...I've always seen my cat playing mouse and lizards, they play with them until they die but never it eat. I saw my cat once chasing a frog then the frog stopped moving like a stone, then my cat just left it, he's not interested anymore.
Then I heard something that like this, eating prey is being thought by the mother cat, so if the prey doesn't introduce to a cat as food, cat won't it eat
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A well fed cat won't eat the critter it plays with. The fun is in the chase. Some cats will pretend to let a mouse go, only to pounce and recapture it, that’s why some critters play dead, in hopes the eater will just get bored and leave them to escape. The more they fight the more hurt/dead they are when the game ends.
Cats can't be the only ones that do this, or there wouldn't be so many animals that play dead and hope to escape. They learn the behavior of playing dead for survivals sake.
So true...I've always seen my cat playing mouse and lizards, they play with them until they die but never it eat. I saw my cat once chasing a frog then the frog stopped moving like a stone, then my cat just left it, he's not interested anymore.
Then I heard something that like this, eating prey is being thought by the mother cat, so if the prey doesn't introduce to a cat as food, cat won't it eat
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3235994
IMO that is the key. i have in fact witnessed the show with the trainer who tragically lost her life. My uneducated theory is this. When rewarding him she would dangle a fish at the surface of the water. He may have very well thought her ponytail was a fish grabbed it and pulled her into the water. once in he was playing with her as a child would play with a toy
I too have seen the Orca shows at SeaWorld, and what you say is pretty much my conclusion as well. The orca thought it was one of the treat fish he always gets. When he couldn't swallow it, he started thrashing about.
I saw the press conference this afternoon and was glad to here that the whale would not be blamed or "put down". The animosity of some of the press core who was at that interview was shocking. Some obviously had an agenda to blame SeaWorld, an agenda to use this tragic event to further animal activists' cause....so much for an objective media just trying to get the facts.
http:///forum/post/3235994
IMO that is the key. i have in fact witnessed the show with the trainer who tragically lost her life. My uneducated theory is this. When rewarding him she would dangle a fish at the surface of the water. He may have very well thought her ponytail was a fish grabbed it and pulled her into the water. once in he was playing with her as a child would play with a toy
I too have seen the Orca shows at SeaWorld, and what you say is pretty much my conclusion as well. The orca thought it was one of the treat fish he always gets. When he couldn't swallow it, he started thrashing about.
I saw the press conference this afternoon and was glad to here that the whale would not be blamed or "put down". The animosity of some of the press core who was at that interview was shocking. Some obviously had an agenda to blame SeaWorld, an agenda to use this tragic event to further animal activists' cause....so much for an objective media just trying to get the facts.
hunt
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3234955
Only animal on the planet other than man that has been seen killing for sport. I wouldn't want to get close to one.
Oh come on, who wouldnt want to stand on a whale and let it lift you out of the water and the only thing keeping you alive is the whale keeping it mouth shut.
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Only animal on the planet other than man that has been seen killing for sport. I wouldn't want to get close to one.
Oh come on, who wouldnt want to stand on a whale and let it lift you out of the water and the only thing keeping you alive is the whale keeping it mouth shut.
florida joe
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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3236233
I too have seen the Orca shows at SeaWorld, and what you say is pretty much my conclusion as well. The orca thought it was one of the treat fish he always gets. When he couldn't swallow it, he started thrashing about.
I saw the press conference this afternoon and was glad to here that the whale would not be blamed or "put down". The animosity of some of the press core who was at that interview was shocking. Some obviously had an agenda to blame SeaWorld, an agenda to use this tragic event to further animal activists' cause....so much for an objective media just trying to get the facts.
Beth the drum beating around here is "well if it was a dog that killed a person it would be put down no questions asked"
http:///forum/post/3236233
I too have seen the Orca shows at SeaWorld, and what you say is pretty much my conclusion as well. The orca thought it was one of the treat fish he always gets. When he couldn't swallow it, he started thrashing about.
I saw the press conference this afternoon and was glad to here that the whale would not be blamed or "put down". The animosity of some of the press core who was at that interview was shocking. Some obviously had an agenda to blame SeaWorld, an agenda to use this tragic event to further animal activists' cause....so much for an objective media just trying to get the facts.
Beth the drum beating around here is "well if it was a dog that killed a person it would be put down no questions asked"
mrdc
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Watching the news this morning, Seaworld said it wouldn't put him down since he is worth millions as a breeder. Are they putting his value higher than human life? There was also an Orca expert discussing that they aren't born killers but rather captivity turns them that way. Not sure if I completely buy into that.
jaxfishgirl
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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3235771
I have seen a cat do that....I had an outdoor cat that would kill birds or mouse (or rats ICK) and bring them to the front step as a gift to us
I was feeding a stray cat and he would bring me a dead squirrel on the front door step. I guess to say thanks.
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I have seen a cat do that....I had an outdoor cat that would kill birds or mouse (or rats ICK) and bring them to the front step as a gift to us
I was feeding a stray cat and he would bring me a dead squirrel on the front door step. I guess to say thanks.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by mrdc
http:///forum/post/3236387
Watching the news this morning, Seaworld said it wouldn't put him down since he is worth millions as a breeder. Are they putting his value higher than human life? There was also an Orca expert discussing that they aren't born killers but rather captivity turns them that way. Not sure if I completely buy into that.
The way I heard it this particular whale wasn't even part of the show and only some of the trainers were allowed to work with him. It sounds like he was just a display and breeding stock only.
http:///forum/post/3236387
Watching the news this morning, Seaworld said it wouldn't put him down since he is worth millions as a breeder. Are they putting his value higher than human life? There was also an Orca expert discussing that they aren't born killers but rather captivity turns them that way. Not sure if I completely buy into that.
The way I heard it this particular whale wasn't even part of the show and only some of the trainers were allowed to work with him. It sounds like he was just a display and breeding stock only.
novahobbies
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3235804
In South Florida, cat's specialities for "gifts" are brown anoles. Nothing like finding dead lizards in the house....
Mine loves to present us with dead juvenile iguanas. We have a ton of them around here in Boca (though the recent cold weather has deepsixed a bunch of them!) and I think they're her favorite prey. My favorite was when I found the head of one on the seat of my armchair in my den. No body....just a head.....
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In South Florida, cat's specialities for "gifts" are brown anoles. Nothing like finding dead lizards in the house....
Mine loves to present us with dead juvenile iguanas. We have a ton of them around here in Boca (though the recent cold weather has deepsixed a bunch of them!) and I think they're her favorite prey. My favorite was when I found the head of one on the seat of my armchair in my den. No body....just a head.....
reefraff
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Originally Posted by novahobbies
http:///forum/post/3236438
Mine loves to present us with dead juvenile iguanas. We have a ton of them around here in Boca (though the recent cold weather has deepsixed a bunch of them!) and I think they're her favorite prey. My favorite was when I found the head of one on the seat of my armchair in my den. No body....just a head.....
We had what I assume was a stray tom cat do that with a couple kittens we had. Just heads left on the front sidewalk near the door. Not sure why the heads were left there but I doubt he scrapped them out right outside the door
http:///forum/post/3236438
Mine loves to present us with dead juvenile iguanas. We have a ton of them around here in Boca (though the recent cold weather has deepsixed a bunch of them!) and I think they're her favorite prey. My favorite was when I found the head of one on the seat of my armchair in my den. No body....just a head.....
We had what I assume was a stray tom cat do that with a couple kittens we had. Just heads left on the front sidewalk near the door. Not sure why the heads were left there but I doubt he scrapped them out right outside the door
florida joe
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3236437
The way I heard it this particular whale wasn't even part of the show and only some of the trainers were allowed to work with him. It sounds like he was just a display and breeding stock only.
that is actually not true go to the link for a video just before she was dragged in. also you can see how the whale could have mistaken her hair for a fish
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/...ume-weekend-a/
http:///forum/post/3236437
The way I heard it this particular whale wasn't even part of the show and only some of the trainers were allowed to work with him. It sounds like he was just a display and breeding stock only.
that is actually not true go to the link for a video just before she was dragged in. also you can see how the whale could have mistaken her hair for a fish
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/...ume-weekend-a/
oceankid
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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3236447
that is actually not true go to the link for a video just before she was dragged in. also you can see how the whale could have mistaken her hair for a fish
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/...ume-weekend-a/
Everything seems fine in the video.
Is there an actual video of the tragedy?
http:///forum/post/3236447
that is actually not true go to the link for a video just before she was dragged in. also you can see how the whale could have mistaken her hair for a fish
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/...ume-weekend-a/
Everything seems fine in the video.
Is there an actual video of the tragedy?
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3236382
Beth the drum beating around here is "well if it was a dog that killed a person it would be put down no questions asked"
Yes, different animals have different considerations. A pet dog that kills, is thought to be a dangerous killer that will likely kill again. And, since dogs are just kept by pet owners, there is no sense of control over that situation.
When a snake in an inappropriate captive situation kills a child, a snake hunting frenzy in the Everglades is initiated and banning legislation is commenced.
The orca is a huge animal. It very likely was not intending to kill. Was the trainer mauled, bitten, eaten? So, far, no indication of that. No blood in the pool. Interesting that the orca thrashed his trainer about just as it was similarly being asked to do as a cute trick by this same trainer just moments before the tragedy. Likely the whale thought it was going for a good behavior fish treat, and when it couldn't swallow it, it started thrashing about.
People who are professional trainers know well that they are dealing with wild animals and that they are at risk. When an accident happens, its not the animal's fault. And the media sucks the way they portray this just in an effort to up ratings.
http:///forum/post/3236382
Beth the drum beating around here is "well if it was a dog that killed a person it would be put down no questions asked"
Yes, different animals have different considerations. A pet dog that kills, is thought to be a dangerous killer that will likely kill again. And, since dogs are just kept by pet owners, there is no sense of control over that situation.
When a snake in an inappropriate captive situation kills a child, a snake hunting frenzy in the Everglades is initiated and banning legislation is commenced.
The orca is a huge animal. It very likely was not intending to kill. Was the trainer mauled, bitten, eaten? So, far, no indication of that. No blood in the pool. Interesting that the orca thrashed his trainer about just as it was similarly being asked to do as a cute trick by this same trainer just moments before the tragedy. Likely the whale thought it was going for a good behavior fish treat, and when it couldn't swallow it, it started thrashing about.
People who are professional trainers know well that they are dealing with wild animals and that they are at risk. When an accident happens, its not the animal's fault. And the media sucks the way they portray this just in an effort to up ratings.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3236536
Yes, different animals have different considerations. A pet dog that kills, is thought to be a dangerous killer that will likely kill again. And, since dogs are just kept by pet owners, there is no sense of control over that situation.
When a snake in an inappropriate captive situation kills a child, a snake hunting frenzy in the Everglades is initiated and banning legislation is commenced.
The orca is a huge animal. It very likely was not intending to kill. Was the trainer mauled, bitten, eaten? So, far, no indication of that. No blood in the pool. Interesting that the orca thrashed his trainer about just as it was similarly being asked to do as a cute trick by this same trainer just moments before the tragedy. Likely the whale thought it was going for a good behavior fish treat, and when it couldn't swallow it, it started thrashing about.
People who are professional trainers know well that they are dealing with wild animals and that they are at risk. When an accident happens, its not the animal's fault. And the media sucks the way they portray this just in an effort to up ratings.
A dog is a bit different than a non-native snake infestation. But in my opinion this is kind of like getting kicked from a horse, not mean dog.
I see your point.
http:///forum/post/3236536
Yes, different animals have different considerations. A pet dog that kills, is thought to be a dangerous killer that will likely kill again. And, since dogs are just kept by pet owners, there is no sense of control over that situation.
When a snake in an inappropriate captive situation kills a child, a snake hunting frenzy in the Everglades is initiated and banning legislation is commenced.
The orca is a huge animal. It very likely was not intending to kill. Was the trainer mauled, bitten, eaten? So, far, no indication of that. No blood in the pool. Interesting that the orca thrashed his trainer about just as it was similarly being asked to do as a cute trick by this same trainer just moments before the tragedy. Likely the whale thought it was going for a good behavior fish treat, and when it couldn't swallow it, it started thrashing about.
People who are professional trainers know well that they are dealing with wild animals and that they are at risk. When an accident happens, its not the animal's fault. And the media sucks the way they portray this just in an effort to up ratings.
A dog is a bit different than a non-native snake infestation. But in my opinion this is kind of like getting kicked from a horse, not mean dog.
I see your point.
florida joe
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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3236536
The orca is a huge animal. It very likely was not intending to kill. Was the trainer mauled, bitten, eaten? So, far, no indication of that. No blood in the pool.
so far indications are
The county medical examiner ruled Brancheau "most likely died from multiple traumatic injuries and drowning after one of the park's killer whales pulled her into a pool behind Shamu Stadium," the sheriff's office said in a statement.
The statement confirms Tompkins' account, saying that Brancheau was interacting with the whale, named Tilikum, in knee-deep water "when the animal grabbed her by the hair, said to be in a long ponytail, and pulled her underwater."
http:///forum/post/3236536
The orca is a huge animal. It very likely was not intending to kill. Was the trainer mauled, bitten, eaten? So, far, no indication of that. No blood in the pool.
so far indications are
The county medical examiner ruled Brancheau "most likely died from multiple traumatic injuries and drowning after one of the park's killer whales pulled her into a pool behind Shamu Stadium," the sheriff's office said in a statement.
The statement confirms Tompkins' account, saying that Brancheau was interacting with the whale, named Tilikum, in knee-deep water "when the animal grabbed her by the hair, said to be in a long ponytail, and pulled her underwater."
lovethesea
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she was laying down/ish with her pony tail towards the animal. She was not to be in that type of position with him. Maybe the moving ponytail looked like a fish/food to him and he grabbed it.
The animal is not to blame, he is not wandering around neighborhoods without a leash, or close contact daily with humans. He is doing what he does.
Gaters, snakes, spiders etc all have protocol that has to be in place when caring for them.
The animal is not to blame, he is not wandering around neighborhoods without a leash, or close contact daily with humans. He is doing what he does.
Gaters, snakes, spiders etc all have protocol that has to be in place when caring for them.
Anyway, Seaworld isn't going to euthanize this whale. Can you imagine the backlash there would be if they did that??!
There may well be an ethical issue with capturing wild animals and putting them on displays for human entertainment. Especially, animals that are thought to be highly intelligent such as the orca. Who knows how the whale feels about it....How do our own animals in our fish tanks feel about for that matter? How far do we take animal rights, projecting human feelings onto the animals we have contact with?
Seaworld is no longer taking whales from the ocean anyway. This big boy has supplied the park with amble stud services so that wild caught is no longer necessary. At least his s e x life is a very productive and happy one! lol
There may well be an ethical issue with capturing wild animals and putting them on displays for human entertainment. Especially, animals that are thought to be highly intelligent such as the orca. Who knows how the whale feels about it....How do our own animals in our fish tanks feel about for that matter? How far do we take animal rights, projecting human feelings onto the animals we have contact with?
Seaworld is no longer taking whales from the ocean anyway. This big boy has supplied the park with amble stud services so that wild caught is no longer necessary. At least his s e x life is a very productive and happy one! lol
king_neptune
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3235667
Dolphin Wars
Ocras are actually the largest porpoise, not technically a whale...
hahahaha ok ya. your right. common knowledge.
I think this is probably the same scientist who got sea horses mixed up:
Scientist one "Thats a male sea horse"
Scientist Two,"but its pregnant"
One,"Ya, its a male."
http:///forum/post/3235667
Dolphin Wars
Ocras are actually the largest porpoise, not technically a whale...
hahahaha ok ya. your right. common knowledge.
I think this is probably the same scientist who got sea horses mixed up:
Scientist one "Thats a male sea horse"
Scientist Two,"but its pregnant"
One,"Ya, its a male."
king_neptune
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3235990
It sounds like the trainer messed up. She wasn't supposed to be in the water but had laid on a step at the edge of the pool and let her pony tail float in the water. Whale grabbed the pony and pulled her to the bottom.
Actually took her for a spin around the perimeter of the tank, banging her into the sides. Eyewitnesses said it was showing her off to the crowd. They also claimed that it tossed her out of the water by her arm, much like they do to seals in the wild.
Also interviews with the staff revealed that the Orca was being belligerent that day during warm up,and acting agitated.
It was a little bit more than confusing her pony tail with a fish.
They are not dumb creatures. And they can taste and smell as well, a pony tail isn't a fish. That whale knew exactly what it was doing. Killing a human.
Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3236233
I saw the press conference this afternoon and was glad to here that the whale would not be blamed or "put down". The animosity of some of the press core who was at that interview was shocking. Some obviously had an agenda to blame SeaWorld, an agenda to use this tragic event to further animal activists' cause....so much for an objective media just trying to get the facts.
I guess three dead people is too much of a Grey area.
Might need a 4th to convince people this animal is a people killer.
As for blaming sea world...its all about the almighty $$$, and dont think any less. They cant lose the Shamu show, everyone knows Sea World would almost collapse without Shamu(or at the very least take a massive massive hit). They will look the other way as often as they can get away with it. Of course they will put on a public face and try to give it a positive spin. They will keep playing Russian roulette as long as they can. Profits are more important than a life.
Should that animal be put down? I'm on the fence. Joe is right, if it was a dog, it would be a no brainier. But this is a slightly higher level. I am adamant that it should never ever be released.
A: its unfair to the animal to expect it to survive after all these years in captivity.
B: what if(and I mean a long shot if) it came up to some boat in the bay or whatever after its new found freedom, and started plucking out people?
I am also convinced that it should be kept away from people. The first two bodies should have been the clue needed. Now we have the 3rd...
http:///forum/post/3235990
It sounds like the trainer messed up. She wasn't supposed to be in the water but had laid on a step at the edge of the pool and let her pony tail float in the water. Whale grabbed the pony and pulled her to the bottom.
Actually took her for a spin around the perimeter of the tank, banging her into the sides. Eyewitnesses said it was showing her off to the crowd. They also claimed that it tossed her out of the water by her arm, much like they do to seals in the wild.
Also interviews with the staff revealed that the Orca was being belligerent that day during warm up,and acting agitated.
It was a little bit more than confusing her pony tail with a fish.
They are not dumb creatures. And they can taste and smell as well, a pony tail isn't a fish. That whale knew exactly what it was doing. Killing a human.
Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3236233
I saw the press conference this afternoon and was glad to here that the whale would not be blamed or "put down". The animosity of some of the press core who was at that interview was shocking. Some obviously had an agenda to blame SeaWorld, an agenda to use this tragic event to further animal activists' cause....so much for an objective media just trying to get the facts.
I guess three dead people is too much of a Grey area.
Might need a 4th to convince people this animal is a people killer.
As for blaming sea world...its all about the almighty $$$, and dont think any less. They cant lose the Shamu show, everyone knows Sea World would almost collapse without Shamu(or at the very least take a massive massive hit). They will look the other way as often as they can get away with it. Of course they will put on a public face and try to give it a positive spin. They will keep playing Russian roulette as long as they can. Profits are more important than a life.
Should that animal be put down? I'm on the fence. Joe is right, if it was a dog, it would be a no brainier. But this is a slightly higher level. I am adamant that it should never ever be released.
A: its unfair to the animal to expect it to survive after all these years in captivity.
B: what if(and I mean a long shot if) it came up to some boat in the bay or whatever after its new found freedom, and started plucking out people?
I am also convinced that it should be kept away from people. The first two bodies should have been the clue needed. Now we have the 3rd...
gill again68
Active Member
Im just wondering why a creature called "KILLER WHALE" is under any suspicion of having a malicious intent. Of course its not the "trainers" fault. After all she is a human like us and incapable of making any bad judgement. We can control anything. I mean look at what we are doing with nuclear weapons and biological warfare. We know exactly what we are doing.
I can tell you that anytime you mess with something larger than yourself you should see some risk. I for one dont want to be eaten by a bear so I wont try to go in the wild and live with them. I dont want to die from a parachute accident so I probably will never sky dive. Oh, I dont want to be eaten or abused by a Orca so I probably wont ever try to swim with one.
Yes I do agree that this porpose has had enough. I think thats apparent in the first 2 killings. I do think its smart enough to know exactly what it was doing. I just wonder why she wasnt smart enough to know.
I am so sorry for the family of this girl but at the same time this is not a tragic accident, its a coincidental one.
I can tell you that anytime you mess with something larger than yourself you should see some risk. I for one dont want to be eaten by a bear so I wont try to go in the wild and live with them. I dont want to die from a parachute accident so I probably will never sky dive. Oh, I dont want to be eaten or abused by a Orca so I probably wont ever try to swim with one.
Yes I do agree that this porpose has had enough. I think thats apparent in the first 2 killings. I do think its smart enough to know exactly what it was doing. I just wonder why she wasnt smart enough to know.
I am so sorry for the family of this girl but at the same time this is not a tragic accident, its a coincidental one.