Killer Whale Lives up to his name...

mrdc

Active Member
It's a dolphin so should it be called killer dolphin?
Anyway, just saw another "whale" expert on the news and he doesn't think captivity dements the animal's mind but rather they adapt to their new environment. After seeing the video of the incident, he stated that they were playing and the trainer stopped playing but he believes the animal wanted to play more so he grabbed her.
I guess there is no concensus among the experts either.
 

gill again68

Active Member
Be careful of those who would call themselves "EXPERTS" in any field. Most knowledgeable people I know leave room to learn something now and then.
 

mrdc

Active Member
Originally Posted by Gill again68
http:///forum/post/3237007
Be careful of those who would call themselves "EXPERTS" in any field. Most knowledgeable people I know leave room to learn something now and then.
Yep. Been doing my job for 14 years right out of graduate school and I still learn something new almost every week! Maybe I can call myself an expert once I hit the rule of 80.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Bottom line, if this whale had been left in the ocean, he would have never killed anyone. There is no documented incidents of orca killing humans in the wild.
When you involve yourself in potentially dangerous jobs, then there has to be an acknowledgment that something bad could very well happen. If a construction worker falls off of a tall building while working, maybe we should all question the validity and ethics of build skyscrapers? If a plane crashes then maybe we should all wonder if we really should be flying on planes, etc., etc. If you're an electrician and you are careless for one moment and end up electrocuting yourself, then maybe we should reconsider having electricity in our lives. A tragedy does not warrant trying to find a scapegoat, or blaming the whale or Seaworld.
From all reports, this trainer loved the orcas, and the last thing she would want, as stated by her family, is for any bad repercussions taken against the whale over this. It would be a tragedy for this trainer to loose her life, and be responsible for one of her loved orcas to be put down as a result of this tragedy.
Maybe PETA's proposal is not a bad one--release him to a controlled sanctuary where he can spend the rest of its days away from shows, entertainment and close human contact.
 

florida joe

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ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Employees wept and audience members grew silent Saturday at SeaWorld as the theme park's popular killer whale show resumed with a photo montage memorial for a trainer who was killed by one of the orcas in front of horrified spectators three days ago.
The show had been shut down since veteran trainer Dawn Brancheau, 40, died Wednesday after rubbing a 22-foot, 12,000-pound orca named Tilikum. The animal grabbed her ponytail and pulled her into the water in front of about 20 spectators. The medical examiner says she likely died of traumatic injuries and drowning.
More than 2,000 people packed the park's stadium Saturday for the first show since Brancheau's death.
The audience seemed thrilled, applauding and cheering as the whales zipped around their tank and splashed spectators during the show — with the theme of "Believe," about a young boy who sees an orca and dreams of one day becoming a whale trainer. It was a fitting tribute to Brancheau, whose family said she always wanted work with the giant whales.
At one point during the show, a young girl was brought on stage and given a whale tail necklace.
"I just wanted to be here for this show. It's so special," said Russell Thomphsen, 65, who said he is a season-ticket holder for SeaWorld. "This touches so many lives."
Spectators packed the enormous outdoor amphitheater despite chilly, rainy weather, with the orca pool registering at 52 degrees. The whale trainers received a standing ovation as they approached the platform before the show, part of the multimillion-dollar enterprise centered around "Shamu" — the stage name given to all the performing orcas.
 

florida joe

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Several SeaWorld employees wept as the photo montage set to music was shown.
"It was very moving," said Molly Geislinger, 33, who came from Minneapolis with her husband and 21-month-old child.
However, she noticed a difference in how the trainers acted.
"They looked like they were being very careful," she said. "They looked very cautious today."
Indeed, the trainers weren't allowed in the water, meaning the whales' handlers did not surf on top of the marine mammals or fly into the air. Instead, the trainers — wearing orca-like black-and-white wetsuits — directed the whales from outside the huge tank's acrylic walls. They coached the creatures to splash the front-and-center rows a few times, much to the delight of onlookers.
SeaWorld officials have said trainers won't swim with the orcas until they finish reviewing what happened to Brancheau.
Jeff Steward, who came to the show with his wife, called the memorial "a very emotional start."
He said they enjoyed the show, adding: "It's a tragedy, but these things happen when you're dealing with wild animals."
SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment President Jim Atchison said Friday that Tilikum will remain an "active, contributing member of the team," in part because the killer whale show is big business at SeaWorld. The company owns more killer whales than anyone else in the world and builds the orca image into its multimillion-dollar brand. Tilikum did not perform Saturday.
The timing of the killer whales' return to performances reflects just what the sleek black-and-white mammals mean to SeaWorld, which the private equity firm The Blackstone Group bought last fall for around $2.7 billion from Anheuser-Busch InBev in a deal that included two Busch Gardens theme parks and several other attractions.
No animal is more valuable to the Orlando operation than Tilikum, the largest orca in captivity. Captured nearly 30 years ago off Iceland, Tilikum has grown into the alpha male of captive killer whales, his value as a stud impossible to pin down. He now has been involved in the deaths of two trainers and requires a special set of handling rules, which Atchison wouldn't specify.
There are two other SeaWorld parks — one in San Antonio, and one in San Diego.
The San Diego park faced similar scrutiny over its whale show in 2006, when a trainer was bit and held underwater several times by a 7,000-pound killer whale, Kasatka, during a show. He escaped with a broken foot and was hospitalized for three days.
Inspectors from the California Division of Occupational Safety and Health issued a report on that accident saying that "swimming with captive orcas is inherently dangerous and if someone hasn't been killed already it is only a matter of time ... "
The report's findings were disputed by Sea World officials. The state agency apologized and said its investigation required expertise that it does not have. It promised to "thoroughly review" its own account of the attack.
John Galloway, of Palm Coast, Fla., said he didn't want to see the killer whale shows end because of the Orlando tragedy.
"I think they know what they're doing," he said of the trainers. "Me, myself, I wouldn't be down there doing that."
 

crypt keeper

Active Member
Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3237134
Bottom line, if this whale had been left in the ocean, he would have never killed anyone. There is no documented incidents of orca killing humans in the wild.
LOL. Maybe nobody has survived to tell the tale?
 

fibinotchi

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Although I am not an advocate of keeping large animals in cages, what makes me more angry is commercial fisherman raping the ocean at rates that the ocean cant recover from. People killing sharks and tearing their fins off and throwing them back in the ocean. And people using the ocean as a landfill and dumping all their garbage in it. This whale may not have freedom to roam the ocean and that is a shame, but some of the stuff that goes on in the ocean is a lot more inhumane than this and much of it goes unnoticed. Go walk some of the shores of Africa if you want to know what I am talking about.
 

king_neptune

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Originally Posted by Fibinotchi
http:///forum/post/3237427
Go walk some of the shores of Africa if you want to know what I am talking about.

I once jumped out of the landing craft and waded to shore in Pakistan.It was an unnatural looking green(almost like rainbow oil stain) The smell was foul, and I promptly decided I wanted to get out of the water pronto.
I developed a rash between my thighs(and a little too high for my taste) the next day. It stuck with me almost 5 years. Wasn't easy, nothing would get rid of it.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Originally Posted by King_Neptune
http:///forum/post/3237604

I once jumped out of the landing craft and waded to shore in Pakistan.It was an unnatural looking green(almost like rainbow oil stain) The smell was foul, and I promptly decided I wanted to get out of the water pronto.
I developed a rash between my thighs(and a little too high for my taste) the next day. It stuck with me almost 5 years. Wasn't easy, nothing would get rid of it.
I was going to say, go check out some of the places in southeast Asia, India, some parts of China, etc, that make Africa seem like a Best Western....
 
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