Mantis!

the_bandit

Member
API testing kit.
Ok here I'll throw out some info. Ive been trying to narrow the problem down and all I can see is the companies I used fault.
I use tap water for water changes and TO but I have been for almost a 8 months with no ill effect. *knock on wood* I used a water conditioner and let it sit for 24 hours.
I have a 55g reef that I use the EXACT same salt and water with and there has not been a single death of coral, invert, or fish. I have 8 fish, Cleaner Shrimp, 50 -/+ corals. I do weekly water changes using the same water and TO.
In the mantis tank, I have all sorts of creatures with no die off in the tank besides the Mantis.
My salinity is 1.025 but I am using a hydrometer. I have used 2 different ones with the same reading. If the salinity was drastically off, the fish and inverts would be acting odd.
My Ph is stable at 8.2. I used a PH buffer to stablize that a week ago and havent had a problem with it.
To my knowledge, no copper has been introduced into the tank. Only metal that rarely touches the water is a hose clamp. If copper was leaking into the tank, the inverts in the sump would have died.
I am not causing any extra stress. Room was dark while being acclimated for over 3 hours. Lights were off when being introduced into the tank.
It acted fine for an hour or two then it layed backwards, moved back normal, then stopped moving. Eyes didnt move, feelers not moving, the feathers on its undercarrage were the only thing moving but those have stopped too.
No animals were harassing it besides the once or twice when the Damsel came over to investigate it but that was it. Nothing else was chasing it or harassing it.
When the lights were on, I used my dimmer of the two bulbs when illuminating the tank.
Once again, Im lost.
 

cherylann

Member
Boy you must have better water quality in your area of AZ, I am in Green Valley AZ and I can barely drink the tap water, let alone use it for water changes, plus wall mart would go out of business.
 

cranberry

Active Member
Sometimes when our tank parameters stray off slowly, like salinity, the current tank inhabitants show no ill effects. It's the newcomers that react to the out of range values. My husband used tapwater for years before we met without any ill effects. I never have used tap water. Do you know what your tapwater TDS is? Just curious on that one.
But you got my PM and know that I don't necessarily think this is the case.... just wanted to point that out.
I've never bought a mantis online, only locally.
You don't have any "Plug it in" "Plug it in"s do ya? I don't think aerosols or what not is the problem here because it happened so fast. When one of my mantis' was exposed to lawn spray, it took overnight for it to become apparent.
API are one of the lesser accurate test kits, but I can't say I tested for calcium in my mantis tank. But being that you did measure it, I might get a different test kit to check that value out. Most salt mixed barely give you enough to meet the minimum range of "normal". It's not so much that I'm concerned about the calcium level, that wouldn't kill him. But if that's out of whack without adding anything, what other values involved in your buffering arena are off?
 

the_bandit

Member
I dont know the TDS of my water. Sorry.
I dont have any devices that release "good smelling stuff" as my brother puts it. Most I use is Febreeze every once in a while.
I'll have to take my water in for a test to a LFS. Should I? I will have them test just about everything.
Sorry about the PM if it sounded like I was bashing. You can probably understand how I feel right now
 

cranberry

Active Member
You didn't sound bashy.
Can't hurt to take your water in... that way we can say all measurable values have been investigated. Is that a courtesy or do you have to pay for them to do that? If so, don't pay for pH, it won't be accurate after the trip to the store.
There's also an online water testing service that I believe gives you many more values and are spot on accurate. Maybe it's something you should look into before getting another mantis. Then you have pretty much done all you can do at that point and it's out of your hands.
 

the_bandit

Member
The link doesnt work but I did find it. I may do this instead of going to the LFS.
I was thinking about how you said new comers could basically die from the difference between their water and my water. I added a fiddler crab and some hermits two weeks ago and they survived and are still alive. My parameters cant be so off that it would cause a common (maybe not so common for this species) hitchhiker that most people try to kill but fail because they are very resistant to die.
But I will still test my water. Whether it be at the LFS or online.
Thank you for all your help Cranberry. You really have helped more than I could ever ask from someone.
 

cranberry

Active Member
Ya, I edited it several times. It won't link to the single time page, just the home page for some reason... weird. The link works to the homepage now.
Trade your calcium test in for a refractometer. I think they are essential when planning a tank around a critter who is sensitive to salinity changes. Keep up on your water changes and you'll have enough calcium for a healthy environment.
 

the_bandit

Member
6 months I used Instant Ocean. Now for the past month or so I have used the salt made by Coralife. Not sure the name of it. Only use it because its cheaper than IO, has a sealable lip, and I can get it at Pets Mart which is 5min from my house.
 

cranberry

Active Member
That one runs in the 400s for freshly made water.
I purchased 3 anglers that died within days, from the same source. I thought I was destined not to have an angler. Then I bought one from a different source and he was fine.
 

cranberry

Active Member
First part: About the calcium part? I bet it's your test kit. I bet your calcium isn't really 500.
Second part: Sometimes it's the source (seller) not the buyer
 
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