McCain's Spiritual Guide

[jmick]

We all know that Barack continues to get bloodied up in the media for the comments his long time pastor made (I in no way agree with any of them and find them to be racially divisive and anti American). That said, how is it that McCain's relationship and willingness to accept the support of a hatemonger like Rod Parsley and then call him his Spiritual Guide seem to fall through the cracks.
Rod Parsley preaches that Islam is a false religion and has called upon Christians to wage war on Islam with the aim of destroying it. Here is one of is comment, “Allah was a demon spirit.” There is no difference, he argues, between violent Islamic extremists and mainstream Muslim believers.
Not only has he willingly accepted the backing of this nut job but also the nut job Hagee. Why is it that Obama gets blasted and McCain gets a free pass for accepting the backing of men like this?

 

[sciknen]

well because america is looking for a reason not to have a black president.
america is doing the same thing when it comes to hillary.
i wouldnt vote for either of them anyways. i wanted ron paul for president. he was the only i believe would actually change alot of things.

 

[pontius]

you may be right, but it should be pretty easy to attack McCain without it. and imo, since most of this country is Christian, the majority aren't going to have a problem with anti-Islam sentiments. I know I don't.
both these clowns should be pretty easy to attack just on their platforms. this election will be THE biggest example of why we need a 3rd (and 4th and 5th) equally sized political party. there really is no real choice here except the lesser of 2 evils. neither candidate speaks to the moderate, middle of the road voters. on one side, you have an old man who appears at times to be psychotic, wants to wage war whenever/wherever, wants to open up the country to anyone who wants to walk right in. on the other side, you have a guy with strong socialist leanings who probably wouldn't be good at all with foreign policy, and may very well hate the country if his preacher is any indicator.

 

[reefraff]

Got link to parsley running down the country or talking about lazy black welfare mothers? Didn't think so

Got link to Hagee doing that?
Big difference between theological commentary and racist crackpot conspiracy theories.
Nice try with the "one time pastor" spin too. Wright retired when, Feburary? If Wright was still there Obama would still be a member.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2526329
Got link to parsley running down the country or talking about lazy black welfare mothers? Didn't think so

Got link to Hagee doing that?
Big difference between theological commentary and racist crackpot conspiracy theories.
Nice try with the "one time pastor" spin too. Wright retired when, Feburary? If Wright was still there Obama would still be a member.
So you'd contend that the comments made by Hagee and Parsley are theological comments and not overt racism, homophobic and anti-Catholic bigotry?

 

[sciknen]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2526317
since most of this country is Christian, the majority aren't going to have a problem with anti-Islam sentiments. I know I don't.
thats too bad cuz i def dont and i hope a country of imigrants dont just hate someone for their ethnicity, but some people can be bigots

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2526349
So you'd contend that the comments made by Hagee and Parsley are theological comments and not overt racism, homophobic and anti-Catholic bigotry?
Overt racism? Is that a code word for "well it really wasn't racist but I want it to be so"?
Homophobic? Seems to me Judism, Islam and Christianity all teach homosexuality is a sin. If a religion holds something to be a sin should a teacher of that religion ignore it because popular culture has embraced it?
Anti Catholic Bigotry? I am not aware of either of these men making any statements about Catholic people are bad. Hagee has spoken out about the actions of the Catholic church past and present. If Hagee's criticisms of the church makes him an anti Catholic bigot I guess he can join about 90% of elected Democrat politicians that never seem to shy away from attacking all things Evengilical Christian, good or bad.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by sciknen
http:///forum/post/2526359
thats too bad cuz i def dont and i hope a country of imigrants dont just hate someone for their ethnicity, but some people can be bigots
I don't understand most of this post, but I didn't say anything about anyone's ethnicity, I made a statement about a specific religion. my religion states that there is one God and that Jesus Christ is the son of God. I wouldn't be a very good Christian if I recognized Islam as anything but a false religion and muhammed as anything but a false prophet. now that being said, I have no problem with anyone practicing whatever they determine to be their religion. until of course they say that their religion orders them to slaughter innocent people and fly planes into buildings. so yeah, I have no problem with the guy making anti-Islamic remarks. maybe a little too militaristic for my liking, but the muslims you read about and see on the news are too. the difference is that they are acting out on it, he's not.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by sciknen
http:///forum/post/2526359
thats too bad cuz i def dont and i hope a country of imigrants dont just hate someone for their ethnicity, but some people can be bigots
Fair criticisms of a religion are OK as far as I am concerned. If smeone is talking about the teachings of a church rather than talkin smack about its members I say have at it.

 

[wattsupdoc]

I'm not very informed on these individuals. But I do know it's christian doctrine to not support other religions. Also As an American, you can say God D*&n catholics etc... You cant say God D&^n America.

Besides, McCain is boring, and he's already been selected for his party. He'll get some of the action, just wait.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2526317
since most of this country is Christian, the majority aren't going to have a problem with anti-Islam sentiments. I know I don't.
Bigotry is bigotry. Just because you happen to live in an area where your bigotry is socially accepted does not make it right. This would mean that if you were in Germany in the '30's and '40's then you'd be a nazi. Or if you were an Iraqi right now then you'd want to kill Americans. Are your arguing that morality is subjective based on popular support?
Calling for a war against ANY religion is prejudice. Suggesting that members of ANY religion should be destroyed is clear bigotry. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but, honestly, if you don't agree with this then you are completely wrong.
Hatred, genocide, bigotry, terrorism... if you support these concepts in any form then you are the same as the enemy. And if these concepts can be supported in any form then you really have no reason to complain when you become a victim of these things.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2526798
Bigotry is bigotry. Just because you happen to live in an area where your bigotry is socially accepted does not make it right. This would mean that if you were in Germany in the '30's and '40's then you'd be a nazi. Or if you were an Iraqi right now then you'd want to kill Americans. Are your arguing that morality is subjective based on popular support?
Calling for a war against ANY religion is prejudice. Suggesting that members of ANY religion should be destroyed is clear bigotry. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but, honestly, if you don't agree with this then you are completely wrong.
Hatred, genocide, bigotry, terrorism... if you support these concepts in any form then you are the same as the enemy. And if these concepts can be supported in any form then you really have no reason to complain when you become a victim of these things.
I agree with you Crimzy' As far as I can tell Keith Ellison(SP) is a patriotic american who happens to be a muslim. I dont fear the guy. Wouldn't vote for him but that nothing to do with his religion.
By the way, too lazy to look for the thread but I see the city council want your Mayor out.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2526833
I agree with you Crimzy' As far as I can tell Keith Ellison(SP) is a patriotic american who happens to be a muslim. I dont fear the guy. Wouldn't vote for him but that nothing to do with his religion.
By the way, too lazy to look for the thread but I see the city council want your Mayor out.
Yep... city counsel and everybody else (except the ignorant people who will forgive anything with a mere mention of the race card).
The prosecutor will announce within the next week or so whether perjury charges will be filed.
And the lawsuit against Kwame for the dead stripper continues. Kwame's motion to dismiss was just denied.
But this is for another thread... you just had to get me started didn't you.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2526217
how is it that McCain's relationship and willingness to accept the support of a hatemonger like Rod Parsley and then call him his Spiritual Guide seem to fall through the cracks.
McCain isn't running against Hillary, Barack is. Why would Hillary expend resources at this time to discredit McCain?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2526862
Yep... city counsel and everybody else (except the ignorant people who will forgive anything with a mere mention of the race card).
The prosecutor will announce within the next week or so whether perjury charges will be filed.
And the lawsuit against Kwame for the dead stripper continues. Kwame's motion to dismiss was just denied.
But this is for another thread... you just had to get me started didn't you.

Hey, if I had to agree with you I had to do something to get you worked up

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2526798
Bigotry is bigotry. Just because you happen to live in an area where your bigotry is socially accepted does not make it right. This would mean that if you were in Germany in the '30's and '40's then you'd be a nazi. Or if you were an Iraqi right now then you'd want to kill Americans. Are your arguing that morality is subjective based on popular support?
Calling for a war against ANY religion is prejudice. Suggesting that members of ANY religion should be destroyed is clear bigotry. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but, honestly, if you don't agree with this then you are completely wrong.
Hatred, genocide, bigotry, terrorism... if you support these concepts in any form then you are the same as the enemy. And if these concepts can be supported in any form then you really have no reason to complain when you become a victim of these things.
did you read the part where I said anybody should be allowed to practice whatever religion they want as long as it did not dictate killing others? well, there are a lot of muslims killing others. now, you can be an apologist all you want, but they are the ones murdering people for no good reason, not me. I, like most other people, form my opinions based on what I see. when the only muslims I see are monsters, that's the opinion I form of them. if they want people to have better opinions of them, they should pick better spokesmen. so no, I don't have a problem with someone making anti-Islam comments. and like I previously said, Islam as far as I'm concerned, is a religion that worships a false god.

 

[darthtang aw]

There is ONE key difference you are glazing over Jmick and Crimzy. MCcain called him A spiritual guide. Not his MENTOR, HIS PASTOR, HIS SPIRITUAL GUIDE. As Obama did.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2526950
There is ONE key difference you are glazing over Jmick and Crimzy. MCcain called him A spiritual guide. Not his MENTOR, HIS PASTOR, HIS SPIRITUAL GUIDE. As Obama did.
Sounds to me like a semantical distinction just to defend your guy. Very Clinton-esque.

 

[darthtang aw]

Pope Pius XII took photos with Hitler in 1933. Does this mean the vatican supports the extermination of the jews?
Just because McCain is taking aphoto with an influential person in the state does NOT mean he agrees with his views.
Like I said the difference is Obama called his pastor his mentor....McCain called this guy a spiritual leader. Farrakhan is also a spiritual leader.....I would call many people spiritual leaders...even if I disagree with there message.
The KKK has endorsed McCain as well...does this mean McCain is a racist also?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2526950
There is ONE key difference you are glazing over Jmick and Crimzy. MCcain called him A spiritual guide. Not his MENTOR, HIS PASTOR, HIS SPIRITUAL GUIDE. As Obama did.
guide and mentor are pretty much the same thing...I mean what is a guide?