Might need to rethink that cruel and unusual punishment thing

ibanez

Member
I said no trial, they are all guilty, why give them a trial. It's funny because I am all for capitol punishment and all for these kids facing it, but I just wanted to make sure the people responsible for these kids faced punishment too. I never argued to give them an excuse, just to make sure that those responsible for screwing up the abusers share in their punishment. I also have no political affiliation, they are all a bunch of liars and crooks. I will be the best person I can be and have a positive influence on what I can, and who cares about the stuff that is out of my control. Obama isn't my guy, neither is Bush or anyone else, they have no power, they are just figure heads.
 

ibanez

Member
On that note, enough wasting time trying to talk to you rush limbaugh, glen beck, bill o'reilly wanna be's. Gripe and gripe and gripe, go find a political forum, I am going back to helping people in the great hobby of fish keeping.
 
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smartorl

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The subject of their guilt really wasn't even discussed. Scottnlisa started with defending their actions because of the assumption that if they abused someone, by damned they must have been abused therefore were not responsible for their actions.
This discussion, on both sides, went to the assumption that they were going to be found guilty. As stated many times, none of us knows the entire story so to speculate about the details that will come up in trial is not possible. This morphed into an arguement about whether or not prior abuse and chemical embalances exonorate people of their crimes.
I don't think it does. Just because someone has issues (who doesn't) doesn't give them a get out of jail free card. I believe in accountability. As also stated before, this would exclude people who honestly are mentally handicapped. I think the old "I was abused so I was not in my right mind" has been run in the ground.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by IbanEz
http:///forum/post/3255376
On that note, enough wasting time trying to talk to you rush limbaugh, glen beck, bill o'reilly wanna be's. Gripe and gripe and gripe, go find a political forum, I am going back to helping people in the great hobby of fish keeping.
For someone "with no political affiliation" you seem to have a one sided view of commentators you use to attempt to insult those who don't share your opinions
 

scottnlisa

Member
Originally Posted by smartorl
http:///forum/post/3255303
Give me a break. I think you are reading what you want to read. You seem to be on your own little plain anyhow.
"Of released --- offenders who allegedly committed another --- crime, 40% perpetrated the new offense within a year or less from their prison discharge."
Source(s):
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm…
Keep on being fascinated, I think that was your word while more children are tramatized for life and get to see their perpetrators face to face because people like you want to give them an out. They are damaged, that's a given or else they wouldn't have stripped and raped a second grader. Who cares how they got that way, they chose their path and now they have to face the reprecussions. They deserve the same degree of sympathy that they gave the little girl.
Do you have children?
Yes I have a child.
 

scottnlisa

Member
Originally Posted by smartorl
http:///forum/post/3255389
The subject of their guilt really wasn't even discussed. Scottnlisa started with defending their actions because of the assumption that if they abused someone, by damned they must have been abused therefore were not responsible for their actions.
This discussion, on both sides, went to the assumption that they were going to be found guilty. As stated many times, none of us knows the entire story so to speculate about the details that will come up in trial is not possible. This morphed into an arguement about whether or not prior abuse and chemical embalances exonorate people of their crimes.
I don't think it does. Just because someone has issues (who doesn't) doesn't give them a get out of jail free card. I believe in accountability. As also stated before, this would exclude people who honestly are mentally handicapped. I think the old "I was abused so I was not in my right mind" has been run in the ground.
I never said they should have a get out of jail free pass. They should be punished. Punished not put to death or put into jail until they can get AARP. They need to be put into a psych ward and studied. Something with them or in their lives caused this to happen. If we as a society can find and correct this, then this maybe prevent a future tragedy like this from happening again.
 
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smartorl

Guest
Let's say they are found guilty. A young child was gang raped by this group. I don't care to have them studied. Most of us stop short of commiting crimes because we have a conscience and empathy. Obviously, the people who commit horrific crimes such as these have mental issues, if they didn't, they would find better things to do with their time than terrorizing others.
So let's say 80 percent of people who commit crimes have issues, instead of sentences, we lock them up and study them like guinea pigs in a lab. Where is the accountability? What will stop that 20 percent from committing more crimes and then using the "mental issue" defence so that they can soften their punishment.
Life is pretty much a reward and punishment cycle. We work hard, raise our children, try to do the right thing, we can purchase things, and do things, have peace of mind, etc........ reward. We don't work, we don't have things, we can't go places, we don't raise our children, we commit crimes, etc.........punishment.
Not unlike training a puppy or our children for that matter. That is the process of life. It doesn't always work out that way as there are alot of variables but it is the basis.
What happens when you take away the punishement phase? It upsets the balance of life. Where would there be room to lock all these people up for your studies? Beings as most of them will continue to commit sexual crimes, they would have to be segregated from each other.
Then we see the post about Bush's spending. Hello............. you are wanting to spend billions to study the underbelly of society. I hate Bush. But at least he had some form of a plan. Your idea is just a huge waste of money and resources.
I am deeply disturbed that you seem to be far more preoccupied with the rights of the perpetrators than the rights of the victims.
 

reefraff

Active Member
You notice how much more perverse crime seems to have become as trying to explain and excuse bad behavior becomes more prevalent?
 
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smartorl

Guest
Given the nature of this arguement, I thought this was relevant. Just released to the news are the contents of Casey Anthony's jailhouse letters to her pen pal. Surprise, surprise, now that she had exhausted all of her lies and knows she's sunk................out pops the allegations that she was sexually abused by not only her brother but her father as well.
As someone who saw her personally within days of her childs abduction and watched her party her a@@ off, I understand she deserves a fair trial but in my heart I know she did it. She didn't appear to have a care in the world besides hooking up and flirting with different men.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by smartorl
http:///forum/post/3255692
Given the nature of this arguement, I thought this was relevant. Just released to the news are the contents of Casey Anthony's jailhouse letters to her pen pal. Surprise, surprise, now that she had exhausted all of her lies and knows she's sunk................out pops the allegations that she was sexually abused by not only her brother but her father as well.
As someone who saw her personally within days of her childs abduction and watched her party her a@@ off, I understand she deserves a fair trial but in my heart I know she did it. She didn't appear to have a care in the world besides hooking up and flirting with different men.
Big surprise there. This is another one that even if found not guilty for killing her child deserves to fall in a wood chipper for her conduct after she went missing.
 
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