Might need to rethink that cruel and unusual punishment thing

ibanez

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The point about the way the brain works is valid. It does not mean that all abused people turn out to be abusers, what it points too is that most all abusers turn out to have been abused. The connections formed in the brain are somewhat unique to each individual. It is tailored by their experiences. The brain is so complex you and 1000 scientists couldn't understand completely how it works if they dedicated 100 years each researching it. Addiction starts in the brain, and is manifest by the thought process and individual goes through. If something stressful happens one persons brain says I can't handle it, search for alcohol or drugs, another persons brain says, don't worry about it, it will all be ok, talk it out and communicate.
 

cranberry

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Originally Posted by Shrimpy Brains
http:///forum/post/3254942
I am not deciding one way or another on the case.(I'll leave that to the proper authorities) I am merely stating that having been abused does not justify the actions of any involved. You can't pretty it up by calling it emotional problems or brain imbalance.
Just in case.... I was totally agreeing with you.
 
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shrimpy brains

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3254954
Just in case.... I was totally agreeing with you.
lol.......cool!

I think I am done with this thread! I should have stopped after my first post! lol
 

reefraff

Active Member
I don't care what these people would have gone through themselves, they KNEW doing that to a 7 year old was wrong. I would be all for helping the abused but once they themselves decide to become an abuser themselves? It's still a free will decision. If they hadn't been abused perhaps they themselves wouldn't have become an abuser but there are plenty of abusers who weren't abused just like plenty of abused who didn't grow up to become an abuser. I have no sympathy for any of them, the abusers I mean.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3254998
I'm not talking about the men.... only the 15 year old girl.
IMHO Anyone who doesn't know it's wrong to sell your 7 year old sister into prostitution at 15 is a lost cause. Like I said early on, I hope she is eligable to join AARP before she gets out of jail.
 

dragonzim

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3255012
IMHO Anyone who doesn't know it's wrong to sell your 7 year old sister into prostitution at 15 is a lost cause. Like I said early on, I hope she is eligable to join AARP before she gets out of jail.
 

stdreb27

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And as usual some bleeding heart steps in to defend the kids who allegedly did all this.
Which brings me to my next point, don't do drugs.
 

dragonzim

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3255023
And as usual some bleeding heart steps in to defend the kids who allegedly did all this.
Which brings me to my next point, don't do drugs.
Last edited by stdreb27; Today at 11:26 AM. Reason: (or vote democrat) zim you'r party has a lot of nuts in it...

Not sure what you mean by that? I'm not a democrat... I may have few quasi liberal ideas, but I lean right in just about everything...
 

ibanez

Member
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3255003
Havent commented on this till now, but enough with your bible thumping already, please!
Wow, bible thumping? If you have a problem with it don't read it. I can express my opinion just like anyone else and it doesn't matter where my opinion comes from. Ignorant.
 

dragonzim

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Originally Posted by IbanEz
http:///forum/post/3255047
Wow, bible thumping? If you have a problem with it don't read it. I can express my opinion just like anyone else and it doesn't matter where my opinion comes from. Ignorant.
Actually, what's ignorant is you believing that everyone shares the same view that "We are all victims of the devil and sin passed on to us by adam and eve."
 

ibanez

Member
Nope, your still the ignorant one, I don't tell you what to type, think, and talk about. Your the one who has a problem. I don't have a problem with you talking about your atheist views. I don't call it atheist view thumping. Grow up.
 
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smartorl

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I think it is safe to say that people who commit crimes against others, most presumably against children (sexually and physically) are wired wrong.
That someone could look another living, breathing thing in the face and torture it and hear it's cries and see the pain makes them practically inhuman.
At that point, to say that they were abused is crap, being abused they know what it's like to be on the other side.
You are not guarunteed anything when you come into this world, not race, not ---, not economic position, not your parents, nothing..... Each person has many crossroads, a place where they choose, choose to continue the path they are on or deviate for better or for worse.
As a parent, it is your job to give your offspring the best set of tools to take out into the world. I realize there are alot of parents who can't give two craps about that.
There is not enough information in this story to know whether this is a problem child that is hellbent on defying authority or a neglected child who's parents aren't keeping proper tabs. It says mom and dad reported them as missing. Obviously, there is some degree of care there although I don't know. I know that I would not have known where my daughter was at that age. I made it my job to watch over her and she respected the rules enough to abide by them. We don't know if this kid sneaks out, perhaps taking the sister with her rather than being ratted out (been there done that myself). The fact that in spite of her being raped, she is also locked up leads me to believe she has been a chronic problem child. Locking up a ---- victim surely must have something behind it to warrant it.
After an innocent child has been raped and exploited violently who gives a flying rat's butt about what may have happened to the perpetrators?
Perhaps those that are feeling sorry for the possible chemical embalances and past abuse would feel differently if their baby daughter was the one torn and bleeding.
I think most people if asked would say that their childhood was dysfunctional. Where is the line drawn? It has become the standard reaction to just assume that because someone is a monster that it's because of past abuse. That disgraces the true victims. The ones that suffer immeasurably and make something positive. Frankly, I think there are more of those than "monsters" but they don't draw the sensationalism in the press.
Just because someone grows up poor doesn't make them abused, just because someone doesn't have two parents doesn't make them abused.
I am sick to absolute death with people getting sympathy in spite of horrible crimes because they were abused and/or weren't in their right mind. Well, duh, that's because most people would have at least enough self control to not want to willingly torture or kill another human being. They can't be in their right mind but that's not a reason to allow them back out to roam the streets.
I think the victim is the younger sister, she wasn't really old enough to fully understand the implications.
 
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smartorl

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That last comment makes no sense because I deleted something. The one I feel sorry for is the youngest girl. Whether she went along willingly, whether she agreed to accept money, I don't think she is old enough to truly understand. Along the same lines of us parents having to drill in our young childrens heads don't talk to strangers, don't help them look for their "puppies", don't take candy, don't think that they are handicapped and need help because they say so, there is no way to cover all the possible ways sickos can manipulate our children. But sadly, kids fall victim to these all the time because they can't see the bigger picture. She is the innocent victim here and I hope that the parents get her all the help she needs to move past this and grow as a young woman without telltale scars.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3255029
Not sure what you mean by that? I'm not a democrat... I may have few quasi liberal ideas, but I lean right in just about everything...
I guess I just got the wrong impression from other threads...
 

dragonzim

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3255105
I guess I just got the wrong impression from other threads...
Understandable I guess... I'm all in favor of having the strongest possible military, working for a living and not expecting the gov't to save you or give you a handout, low taxes, didnt vote for Obama... My father worked his whole life for a defense contractor, designing radar systems for fighter planes and helicopters. If it werent for the republicans and military spending we wouldnt have eaten.
But, I am also 100% in favor of a woman's right to choose and while not a gun control freak, have some opinions on the need for private citizens to own machine guns...
So, I guess that depending on the topic in question it can seem that I lean to either side.
 

fibinotchi

Member
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3255143
Understandable I guess... I'm all in favor of having the strongest possible military, working for a living and not expecting the gov't to save you or give you a handout, low taxes, didnt vote for Obama... My father worked his whole life for a defense contractor, designing radar systems for fighter planes and helicopters. If it werent for the republicans and military spending we wouldnt have eaten.
But, I am also 100% in favor of a woman's right to choose and while not a gun control freak, have some opinions on the need for private citizens to own machine guns...
So, I guess that depending on the topic in question it can seem that I lean to either side.
Sounds like you lean forward with G. W. Bush behind you thumping you in the rear.
 
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