Mixing kalkwasser question

groovy!

New Member
After getting informed and reading lots of threads about kalkwasser finally I'm going to start using it. However, I still do not have something clear: how do you mix kalkwasser? meaning, do you just stir it in a container until the water gets clear (like a salt water mix)? does it ever gets clear? and how long do you have to let it sit before adding it to the tank? I've read some people let it sit for 1hr, others will let it sit for a night. What is recommended? :notsure:
 
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thomas712

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I mix mine in a 2 gallon jug with lid, I put 2 gallons of RO water in the jug, pour a little white vinegar in a plastic cup, add my desired amount of powdered kalk and mix that up then pour it into the 2 gallon jug, mix well and let it sit for about 2 or 3 hours, mixes pretty clear.
If you don't use vinegar then it may always looks like a white cloudy mix.
I then drain that into a drip container and drip away.
Thomas
 

cobra2806

Member
The cheapest way is to get an air tight container, I used a 5 gal bucket with a lid that would seal. Add a few gallons of fresh water and the recommend amount of kalk, seal it and shake it up. I'd say let it sit for 5 - 12 hours, open the container and siphon out a few gallons without sucking up the settled kalk. Then just drip into your sump or very slowly add to your tank. The best time to do this is at night or early morning. You don’t want the kalk solution to be exposed to air very long or else the calcium will precipitate. The water will never get clear.
 

groovy!

New Member
Thanks guys, this is really helpful and clears my questions. I will start using it and hope to have good results in keeping my calc levels.
 

salty cheese

Active Member
Originally Posted by Thomas712
I mix mine in a 2 gallon jug with lid, I put 2 gallons of RO water in the jug, pour a little white vinegar in a plastic cup, add my desired amount of powdered kalk and mix that up then pour it into the 2 gallon jug, mix well and let it sit for about 2 or 3 hours, mixes pretty clear.
If you don't use vinegar then it may always looks like a white cloudy mix.
I then drain that into a drip container and drip away.
Thomas
Thomas
How much vinegar per tsp of kalk? :thinking:
 

pbienkiewi

Member
I do 1 gallon of RO water. 2tbs of kalkwasher mix. Let it sit for 4 to 8 hours. Place it ontop of my lighting at night. Put a air tube into the handle of the 1 gallon jug. Not letting the air tube touch the botton. Maybe 3 in from the bottom. I suck on the air tube to start the siphen. Then I put a air valve on the end of the tube. This lets it drip into the tank at a slow rate.
Vinegar is a extra. Don't worry about it. It is more advanced
 

fishamajig

Member
i also used kalk for the first time today, and I have to say I think I did a no no. I added 2 tsb for 5 gal top off water, mixed it up and then added it to the tank, didnt drip it. the tank got super cloudy and all the corals look bad. unfortunately i might of crashed the tank. please help
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thomas712

Guest
:scared: Oh yikes!
Yes massive water change ASAP, you just sent your pH skyrocketing and set off a precipitation event.
 

fishamajig

Member
did a 30 % water change. everything ok after about 12 hrs. only small amount of tissue damage on a torch and frogspawn frag. all inverts ok. shrimp, sea cukes, ect. i had to do the water change with tap water but i tried to outweigh the after effects. well I certanley learned my lesson. what is a precipitation effect?
 
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thomas712

Guest
Originally Posted by fishamajig
what is a precipitation effect?
A precipitation event is when you pH gets way to high for your dKH/calcium levels and your CaC03 becomes a solid and will fall out of solution. When this happens your pH will swing wildly and fall through the floor stressing everything in the tank.
The precipitation usually looks like a white chalkiness in the tank and can cover glass and equipment or show up as a snowstorm in the tank making everything look cloudy. You may have seen some white solids form when you dumped that kalk in the tank. Its a bad thing to have happen. I would be testing like a fool right now, every day and get another water change ready. You may find that you have very low readings from alk, cal and mag. All three could have been draged down out of solution.
Thomas
 
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thomas712

Guest
Oh and just so you know, we usually keep out tanks at a pH of 8.4, properly mixed kalkwasser would carry about an 11.5 or 12 pH.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by fishamajig
what is a precipitation effect?
This is when the Calcium combines with other elements and actually falls out of the water column. There are many reasons why this happens but in your case your PH probably exceeded 8.5 so the Calcium combined with Carbonate to form Calcium carbonate. Calcium carbonate is the bright white dust that made your water look cloudy.
 
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thomas712

Guest
Originally Posted by Salty Cheese
Thomas
How much vinegar per tsp of kalk? :thinking:
This is from an article about kalkwasser, that is very informative.
When Calcium Hydroxide solution (Kalkwasser) is slowly dripped into your aquarium, it captures free Carbon Dioxide present in the tank water and converts it to Bicarbonate ions (which is a good thing), like this:
Ca++ + 2(OH-) + 2(CO2) <==> Ca++ + 2(HCO3-)
If you drip too fast or if there is not enough Carbon Dioxide available in the water, your shiny new Bicarbonate ions will be converted to Carbonate ions (a bad thing), like this:
Ca++ + 2(OH-) + 2(HCO3-) <==> Ca++ + 2(CO3--) + 2 H2O
The Carbonate ions formed will make the Ca++ you are trying to add to your tank get wasted by the useless precipitation of Calcium Carbonate -- the white stuff you are seeing.
So, too rapid addition of Kalk may actually cause the Calcium and Alkalinity in your tank to go DOWN instead of UP (a bad thing), like this:
Ca++ + 2(HCO3-) + Ca++ + 2(OH-) <==> 2 CaCO3 + 2 H2O
In the above reaction, a Calcium ion and two Bicarbonate ions from the aquarium combine to form solid calcium carbonate -- the white stuff you are getting in your tank, which is really just a kind of sand.
This can happen even with a slow drip of Kalk if there is not enough CO2 in your water -- something you can't easily control.
To avoid this, try mixing and adding your Kalkwasser like this: pour 15ml of 5% Acetic Acid (or ordinary Distilled White Vinegar from the grocery store -- same thing) into a 1 liter (1 quart) container. Dissolve 1/2 teaspoon of lab-grade Ca(OH)2 (or commercial Kalkwasser mix) in the Acetic Acid, and then dilute to 1 liter (1 quart) volume with either RO/DI water, or even tank water.
15 ml is more Vinegar than some people are comfortable with, but I use it constantly with no problems. There should be no sediment in the mixture, or just a little bit at most. You can let the sediment settle out if you don't like the white flakes in your tank. I just drip the liquid and the sediment both into my tank.
Dissolving the Kalk powder in the Vinegar first will accomplish several very good things.
First, it will get more Calcium ions (Ca++) into the solution because you are dissolving the Ca(OH)2 in an acid instead of water, and forming Calcium Acetate, which exists as a dissociated equilibrium of free Calcium ions and Acetate ions.
Second, the Acetic Acid (Vinegar) provides an equivalent of all the CO2 you need to avoid precipitating the newly-added Calcium ions as useless white Calcium Carbonate powder.
Third, after all the cool Calcium ion chemistry is over, the leftover Acetate ions from the broken-down Vinegar leaves you with free organic Carbon in the water that feeds the bacteria in your tank so that it converts more poisonous Nitrates to NO2 gas (a very good thing).
Adding Vinegar in Kalkwasser is one of the few win-win situations for reefers -- it has a great up side and I've yet to encounter a down side to doing it. I don't know why so few reefers do it -- lack of understanding of the chemistry behind it maybe -- but a lot more are starting now that some respected reef writers have discovered it and have recommended it and even written up detailed instructions for it.
By the way, you should check your pH before and after you do this the first few times to make sure it is not affected by the process. It should not be a problem. Also, if you don't already have them, get and learn to use Salifert test kits for Calcium, Alkalinity, and Magnesium. The levels of all of these are related and affected by dripping Kalk.
If you want the whole article....ah.... type in (google search) kalkwasser and read the first thing that comes up.
Thomas
 

fishamajig

Member
so your suggestion is to do another water change today. about how many gallons? the precipitation event is definately what happened. the tank was so cloudy last night you couldent see into it. after the water change it was better but not away completely. do you think i should do another water change today?
 
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thomas712

Guest
I suggest you test for alkalinity, calcium, magnesium, and pH. Find out where you are at and while you do that start making another water change, I'd say another 15%-25% in a few days depending on where you are at.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by VideoGuy
I always mix kalk in a bucket then add to tank. Why mix in air tight container?
Thanks
Limewater reacts with CO2. The less contact with CO2 the more useful the limewater will be.
 
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