More proof Obama = Socialism
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bionicarm
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3034609
Go listen to him for a couple of months. Then talk to me.
He called McCain 2 years before it happened. And the arguments they'd use for them.
He called the war against the SUV.
He sits there and reads some news, then predicts how the media is going to spin it. And he is usually right on.
I listened to him one time for 5 minutes. Got so nauseated, I had to turn it off.
McCain? He was on the radar for '08 right after Bush won his second term. Less you forget McCain lost to Bush in 2000 for the Republican nomination? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Let's see. Gas goes over $4/gallon in practically every part of the country, and people are screaming that it's the gas guzzlers that got it that high. Yeaaa, Rush was the catalyst for that outrage.
The media spins it his way because they think he's the second coming of Christ. Just call him Merrill Lynch Jr. -- "When Rush speaks, people listen".
http:///forum/post/3034609
Go listen to him for a couple of months. Then talk to me.
He called McCain 2 years before it happened. And the arguments they'd use for them.
He called the war against the SUV.
He sits there and reads some news, then predicts how the media is going to spin it. And he is usually right on.
I listened to him one time for 5 minutes. Got so nauseated, I had to turn it off.
McCain? He was on the radar for '08 right after Bush won his second term. Less you forget McCain lost to Bush in 2000 for the Republican nomination? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Let's see. Gas goes over $4/gallon in practically every part of the country, and people are screaming that it's the gas guzzlers that got it that high. Yeaaa, Rush was the catalyst for that outrage.
The media spins it his way because they think he's the second coming of Christ. Just call him Merrill Lynch Jr. -- "When Rush speaks, people listen".
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reefraff
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3034378
I agree, he imo is a typical politician, speaking as the winds blow him.
Look most people if it is presented properly would vote for a conservative. (see reagan's 49 state landslide)
I don't believe that most American's want to have government telling them how to run their day to day lives. If it can be presented as do you want to vote for the person who will set up government so they are as unobtrusive as possible where you control your own destiny. Or do you want government to run your life and eventually make everyone equally as miserable.
The problem is most people don't see the choice that way. And quite frankly Republicans haven't been that way for a while.
How do you expect to win a political campaign without being a good politician? Gingrich is a masterful political tactician, He could never be elected because of the lies he allowed the Clintonistas to spread about him in the 90's, let alone the way he handled his divorce but when it comes to policy and strategy he is a valuable resource.
http:///forum/post/3034378
I agree, he imo is a typical politician, speaking as the winds blow him.
Look most people if it is presented properly would vote for a conservative. (see reagan's 49 state landslide)
I don't believe that most American's want to have government telling them how to run their day to day lives. If it can be presented as do you want to vote for the person who will set up government so they are as unobtrusive as possible where you control your own destiny. Or do you want government to run your life and eventually make everyone equally as miserable.
The problem is most people don't see the choice that way. And quite frankly Republicans haven't been that way for a while.
How do you expect to win a political campaign without being a good politician? Gingrich is a masterful political tactician, He could never be elected because of the lies he allowed the Clintonistas to spread about him in the 90's, let alone the way he handled his divorce but when it comes to policy and strategy he is a valuable resource.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3034586
Rush Limbaugh brilliant? Only in the minds of morons who think the way he does. The only thing the guy knows how to do is stir the pot and create controversy. Put him up against Obama in 2012. If that happens, at least we'll know Obama will serve two terms...
This is why I have no doubt the Democrats will not stay in power. Like you they assume anyone who doesn't share their philosophy is dumb. How many millions was Limbaugh's last contract worth again? And you're calling HIM dumb
http:///forum/post/3034586
Rush Limbaugh brilliant? Only in the minds of morons who think the way he does. The only thing the guy knows how to do is stir the pot and create controversy. Put him up against Obama in 2012. If that happens, at least we'll know Obama will serve two terms...
This is why I have no doubt the Democrats will not stay in power. Like you they assume anyone who doesn't share their philosophy is dumb. How many millions was Limbaugh's last contract worth again? And you're calling HIM dumb
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3034625
The Federal Govt. has been involved with your life ever since they implemented Social Security, Medicare, and the Federal Income Tax System.
The problem I have with conservatives is they say they don't want Big Brother to be involved with their lives, yet they have no problem with their involvement when it comes to backing their personal beliefs, especially their religious ones. Conservatives have a way of forcing their personal beliefs and values on everyone else in this country, whether they respect those opinions and values or not. Conservatives have no problems with the government getting involved with a woman's right to do what she wants with her own body. Conservatives have no problems with the government denying homosexuals the same rights that married couples have. To me Conservatives = Big Brother, Federal Government
Riight, so lets get this straight. Some how Republicans are the people who force their beliefs on people. But while we are at it, lets get rid lets get rid of everything that has its roots in judeo-christian beliefs. Now you can steal freely, murder people and screw the declaration of independence, and the constitution.
Oh wait the democrats already are trying to do that, dang cap and trade and abortion...
And while we are at it right wing talk radio is stoking the pig flu hysteria.
http:///forum/post/3034625
The Federal Govt. has been involved with your life ever since they implemented Social Security, Medicare, and the Federal Income Tax System.
The problem I have with conservatives is they say they don't want Big Brother to be involved with their lives, yet they have no problem with their involvement when it comes to backing their personal beliefs, especially their religious ones. Conservatives have a way of forcing their personal beliefs and values on everyone else in this country, whether they respect those opinions and values or not. Conservatives have no problems with the government getting involved with a woman's right to do what she wants with her own body. Conservatives have no problems with the government denying homosexuals the same rights that married couples have. To me Conservatives = Big Brother, Federal Government
Riight, so lets get this straight. Some how Republicans are the people who force their beliefs on people. But while we are at it, lets get rid lets get rid of everything that has its roots in judeo-christian beliefs. Now you can steal freely, murder people and screw the declaration of independence, and the constitution.
Oh wait the democrats already are trying to do that, dang cap and trade and abortion...
And while we are at it right wing talk radio is stoking the pig flu hysteria.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3034625
The Federal Govt. has been involved with your life ever since they implemented Social Security, Medicare, and the Federal Income Tax System.
The problem I have with conservatives is they say they don't want Big Brother to be involved with their lives, yet they have no problem with their involvement when it comes to backing their personal beliefs, especially their religious ones. Conservatives have a way of forcing their personal beliefs and values on everyone else in this country, whether they respect those opinions and values or not. Conservatives have no problems with the government getting involved with a woman's right to do what she wants with her own body. Conservatives have no problems with the government denying homosexuals the same rights that married couples have. To me Conservatives = Big Brother, Federal Government
And LIEberals say they are for freedom of speech yet they disrupt and heckle conservative speakers on college campuses across the country (and they seek to stop the speakers from talking, not engage in debate with them), they are for diversity but attack anyone who doesn't think just like they do (Not for gay marriage = Homophobe, Not for Obama = Racist), They are all for choice when it comes to ending a human life but not when it comes to having a person decide which school to send their child to. You want to talk about big brother? How about using taxes to control behavior? How about taking money from someone who has made the right choices and worked hard to get ahead and giving it to idiots who took the lazy road or made stupid decisions? Yeah, Liberals are soooo much better than Conservatives
http:///forum/post/3034625
The Federal Govt. has been involved with your life ever since they implemented Social Security, Medicare, and the Federal Income Tax System.
The problem I have with conservatives is they say they don't want Big Brother to be involved with their lives, yet they have no problem with their involvement when it comes to backing their personal beliefs, especially their religious ones. Conservatives have a way of forcing their personal beliefs and values on everyone else in this country, whether they respect those opinions and values or not. Conservatives have no problems with the government getting involved with a woman's right to do what she wants with her own body. Conservatives have no problems with the government denying homosexuals the same rights that married couples have. To me Conservatives = Big Brother, Federal Government
And LIEberals say they are for freedom of speech yet they disrupt and heckle conservative speakers on college campuses across the country (and they seek to stop the speakers from talking, not engage in debate with them), they are for diversity but attack anyone who doesn't think just like they do (Not for gay marriage = Homophobe, Not for Obama = Racist), They are all for choice when it comes to ending a human life but not when it comes to having a person decide which school to send their child to. You want to talk about big brother? How about using taxes to control behavior? How about taking money from someone who has made the right choices and worked hard to get ahead and giving it to idiots who took the lazy road or made stupid decisions? Yeah, Liberals are soooo much better than Conservatives
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3034634
I listened to him one time for 5 minutes. Got so nauseated, I had to turn it off.
McCain? He was on the radar for '08 right after Bush won his second term. Less you forget McCain lost to Bush in 2000 for the Republican nomination? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Let's see. Gas goes over $4/gallon in practically every part of the country, and people are screaming that it's the gas guzzlers that got it that high. Yeaaa, Rush was the catalyst for that outrage.
The media spins it his way because they think he's the second coming of Christ. Just call him Merrill Lynch Jr. -- "When Rush speaks, people listen".
What you talking bout Willis?
McCain was dead in the water until early in 08. I still remember seeing him carry his own bags through the airport the summer of 07 because his campaign was so broke.
http:///forum/post/3034634
I listened to him one time for 5 minutes. Got so nauseated, I had to turn it off.
McCain? He was on the radar for '08 right after Bush won his second term. Less you forget McCain lost to Bush in 2000 for the Republican nomination? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Let's see. Gas goes over $4/gallon in practically every part of the country, and people are screaming that it's the gas guzzlers that got it that high. Yeaaa, Rush was the catalyst for that outrage.
The media spins it his way because they think he's the second coming of Christ. Just call him Merrill Lynch Jr. -- "When Rush speaks, people listen".
What you talking bout Willis?
McCain was dead in the water until early in 08. I still remember seeing him carry his own bags through the airport the summer of 07 because his campaign was so broke.
veni vidi vici
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Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/3034895
um didn't i see a poll this weekend were only 21 percent of americans side with the gop.
Perhaps,but i bet that there will be a lot of new faces on both sides of the isle come election time.Its at the point where the line between the parties is blurred ,and neither party is on the side of the people.
http:///forum/post/3034895
um didn't i see a poll this weekend were only 21 percent of americans side with the gop.
Perhaps,but i bet that there will be a lot of new faces on both sides of the isle come election time.Its at the point where the line between the parties is blurred ,and neither party is on the side of the people.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/3034895
um didn't i see a poll this weekend were only 21 percent of americans side with the gop.
It all depends the generic ballot has the republicans up and they are NEVER up in that pole.
http:///forum/post/3034895
um didn't i see a poll this weekend were only 21 percent of americans side with the gop.
It all depends the generic ballot has the republicans up and they are NEVER up in that pole.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3034844
Riight, so lets get this straight. Some how Republicans are the people who force their beliefs on people. But while we are at it, lets get rid lets get rid of everything that has its roots in judeo-christian beliefs. Now you can steal freely, murder people and screw the declaration of independence, and the constitution.
Oh wait the democrats already are trying to do that, dang cap and trade and abortion...
And while we are at it right wing talk radio is stoking the pig flu hysteria.
Why do you think this country's laws have to be based on religious values? So if I don't believe in God, I'm a bad person? You think that just because someone has christian beliefs, their devoid from murdering someone or stealing something? Tell that to the hundreds of boys who were molested and raped by Catholic priests. Tell that to the thousands of patrons who gave millions of dollars to these 'ministers' who put it in their personal pockets instead in the church where it belonged.
Yes, Conservatives and Republicans use their political arenas to push their religious causes. Look at Rick Perry. He's pushing legislation whereby women who want abortions are required to look at a sonogram of the fetus before they can have the procedure. He just passed a law where you can now order license plates that say 'Choose Life' on them. Those are his personal and religious beliefs, not mine. I don't even get a say in the matter because it's not up for public vote.
http:///forum/post/3034844
Riight, so lets get this straight. Some how Republicans are the people who force their beliefs on people. But while we are at it, lets get rid lets get rid of everything that has its roots in judeo-christian beliefs. Now you can steal freely, murder people and screw the declaration of independence, and the constitution.
Oh wait the democrats already are trying to do that, dang cap and trade and abortion...
And while we are at it right wing talk radio is stoking the pig flu hysteria.
Why do you think this country's laws have to be based on religious values? So if I don't believe in God, I'm a bad person? You think that just because someone has christian beliefs, their devoid from murdering someone or stealing something? Tell that to the hundreds of boys who were molested and raped by Catholic priests. Tell that to the thousands of patrons who gave millions of dollars to these 'ministers' who put it in their personal pockets instead in the church where it belonged.
Yes, Conservatives and Republicans use their political arenas to push their religious causes. Look at Rick Perry. He's pushing legislation whereby women who want abortions are required to look at a sonogram of the fetus before they can have the procedure. He just passed a law where you can now order license plates that say 'Choose Life' on them. Those are his personal and religious beliefs, not mine. I don't even get a say in the matter because it's not up for public vote.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3034848
And LIEberals say they are for freedom of speech yet they disrupt and heckle conservative speakers on college campuses across the country (and they seek to stop the speakers from talking, not engage in debate with them), they are for diversity but attack anyone who doesn't think just like they do (Not for gay marriage = Homophobe, Not for Obama = Racist), They are all for choice when it comes to ending a human life but not when it comes to having a person decide which school to send their child to. You want to talk about big brother? How about using taxes to control behavior? How about taking money from someone who has made the right choices and worked hard to get ahead and giving it to idiots who took the lazy road or made stupid decisions? Yeah, Liberals are soooo much better than Conservatives
No, conservatives have rally's that throw personal attacks against their opponents, calling them terrorists and who knows what. They now spend every waking hour PhotoShopping pictures and putting Obama's face in them, instead of trying to support their President and give the guy a chance to turn things around. I've been tagged as a Liberal. If you have a beef against Obama, I don't call you a racist. The only one's doing that are the African Americans, and that's both liberal and conservative-minded. Uh, segregation went out in the 50's. So I guess you want to allow the kids on the poor side of town to be able to attend the school's where the 'rich kids' go. School systems can handle just so many kids. Who'll pay for the transportaion of those kids to get to the other side of town? I know, MY TAX DOLLARS. So you want to RAISE taxes so kids can go to any school they want. Isn't that opposite to how conservatives think? I've never agreed with our Federal tax system. I've always been a proponent of a flat tax. Everyone pays the same rate no matter how much you make. Unfortunately, that'll never happen. You rail Obama about taxing the rich, yet his proposal is to increase taxes on anyone making over $250K from 34% to 39%. Wow, a whopping 5%. My local County Appraisal District just raised the value of my home another 10% this year. When houses are practically being given away, I have to pay 10% more in property taxes because apparently my home value has gone up. I'd take a 5% increase in my salary any day.
http:///forum/post/3034848
And LIEberals say they are for freedom of speech yet they disrupt and heckle conservative speakers on college campuses across the country (and they seek to stop the speakers from talking, not engage in debate with them), they are for diversity but attack anyone who doesn't think just like they do (Not for gay marriage = Homophobe, Not for Obama = Racist), They are all for choice when it comes to ending a human life but not when it comes to having a person decide which school to send their child to. You want to talk about big brother? How about using taxes to control behavior? How about taking money from someone who has made the right choices and worked hard to get ahead and giving it to idiots who took the lazy road or made stupid decisions? Yeah, Liberals are soooo much better than Conservatives
No, conservatives have rally's that throw personal attacks against their opponents, calling them terrorists and who knows what. They now spend every waking hour PhotoShopping pictures and putting Obama's face in them, instead of trying to support their President and give the guy a chance to turn things around. I've been tagged as a Liberal. If you have a beef against Obama, I don't call you a racist. The only one's doing that are the African Americans, and that's both liberal and conservative-minded. Uh, segregation went out in the 50's. So I guess you want to allow the kids on the poor side of town to be able to attend the school's where the 'rich kids' go. School systems can handle just so many kids. Who'll pay for the transportaion of those kids to get to the other side of town? I know, MY TAX DOLLARS. So you want to RAISE taxes so kids can go to any school they want. Isn't that opposite to how conservatives think? I've never agreed with our Federal tax system. I've always been a proponent of a flat tax. Everyone pays the same rate no matter how much you make. Unfortunately, that'll never happen. You rail Obama about taxing the rich, yet his proposal is to increase taxes on anyone making over $250K from 34% to 39%. Wow, a whopping 5%. My local County Appraisal District just raised the value of my home another 10% this year. When houses are practically being given away, I have to pay 10% more in property taxes because apparently my home value has gone up. I'd take a 5% increase in my salary any day.
veni vidi vici
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3034974
If you have a beef against Obama, I don't call you a racist. The only one's doing that are the African Americans, and that's both liberal and conservative-minded.
Wow!!!! I had no idea Janeane Garofalo was of African decent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IeRxVMpyDg
Her own dog even dislikes her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTdLwZVudOk
http:///forum/post/3034974
If you have a beef against Obama, I don't call you a racist. The only one's doing that are the African Americans, and that's both liberal and conservative-minded.
Wow!!!! I had no idea Janeane Garofalo was of African decent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IeRxVMpyDg
Her own dog even dislikes her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTdLwZVudOk
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3034978
Wow!!!! I had no idea Janeane Garofalo was of African decent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IeRxVMpyDg
Her own dog even dislikes her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTdLwZVudOk
I had to Google Janeane Garofalo to even find out who she was. You actually take credance as to what some second-rate comedianne has to say about Obama? She does comedy for a living, what do you expect? Add Andrew Dice Clay and Chris Rock to the mix while you're at it. Give me names of REAL influential people, then we'll talk.
http:///forum/post/3034978
Wow!!!! I had no idea Janeane Garofalo was of African decent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IeRxVMpyDg
Her own dog even dislikes her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTdLwZVudOk
I had to Google Janeane Garofalo to even find out who she was. You actually take credance as to what some second-rate comedianne has to say about Obama? She does comedy for a living, what do you expect? Add Andrew Dice Clay and Chris Rock to the mix while you're at it. Give me names of REAL influential people, then we'll talk.
ironeagle2006
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Bionicarm I have one word for you here in IL as to how much TROUBLE THE DEMOCRAPIC PARTY is really in. That word is Blagelvich here in IL Quinn the Governor that replaced him after Blow Dryer Rod IMPEACHED Concivcted by a Unamamis vote in the IL State Senate then in a Separate vote BARRED FROM EVEN BECOME A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR GETTING ANY STATE PENSION EITHER EVER. Quinn has asked that to bar further corruption in the state of IL that Primaries go Open all State on Congressional Districts get drawn via Computer based on POPULATION and NO POLITICAN can give his or her seat to their KIDS. He will get it because if anyone has the guts to say NO to those proposals their opponent will say THEY ARE CORRUPT as Blago was and LOOSE BIG TIME in the General election. Also come the Governor Election in 2010 Downstate has a Big time chance to take back control from Chicago.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3034974
No, conservatives have rally's that throw personal attacks against their opponents, calling them terrorists and who knows what. They now spend every waking hour PhotoShopping pictures and putting Obama's face in them, instead of trying to support their President and give the guy a chance to turn things around. I've been tagged as a Liberal. If you have a beef against Obama, I don't call you a racist. The only one's doing that are the African Americans, and that's both liberal and conservative-minded. Uh, segregation went out in the 50's. So I guess you want to allow the kids on the poor side of town to be able to attend the school's where the 'rich kids' go. School systems can handle just so many kids. Who'll pay for the transportaion of those kids to get to the other side of town? I know, MY TAX DOLLARS. So you want to RAISE taxes so kids can go to any school they want. Isn't that opposite to how conservatives think? I've never agreed with our Federal tax system. I've always been a proponent of a flat tax. Everyone pays the same rate no matter how much you make. Unfortunately, that'll never happen. You rail Obama about taxing the rich, yet his proposal is to increase taxes on anyone making over $250K from 34% to 39%. Wow, a whopping 5%. My local County Appraisal District just raised the value of my home another 10% this year. When houses are practically being given away, I have to pay 10% more in property taxes because apparently my home value has gone up. I'd take a 5% increase in my salary any day.
Not sure what kind of a response that is. You telling me no white liberals have called those who opposed Obama racist? I guess you missed all the stories about that twit Garafolo saying the people doing the tea parties were racists. So the Republicans have held rallies and called the Democrats names, and your point is? The Dems do the same thing and say just as nasty iof not more nasty stuff.
As far as whining about people not willing to give Obama a chance I was just wondering where you've had your head stuck the last 8 years? People were on Bush from day one.
I am about as anti-Obama as you'll find and I did give him a chance, in fact you can probably find a few posts from me here stating I was hoping for the best. Once it became obvious that Obama was going to out spend Bush I started to give up hope. He has definitely shown himself to be the left wing extremist many of us thought based on his record and words. Why would I support him when his policies are going to ruin the country? Look at the amound of BS programs they threw in the spendyouless package they put together. I was totally behind the idea of pouring money into infrastructure to create jobs but we need to look at slashing spending on social engineering programs, not increase them.
Why should only those at the top pay taxes? For all the left's whining about tax cuts for the rich the so-called rich had their overall share of the tax burden increased under Bush. I don't mind increasing taxes on those at the top, I just oppose increasing their taxes so you can give the money away to people at the bottom. I was a big supporter of the reform party's platform of no new spending and no tax cuts until the national debt was paid off.
http:///forum/post/3034974
No, conservatives have rally's that throw personal attacks against their opponents, calling them terrorists and who knows what. They now spend every waking hour PhotoShopping pictures and putting Obama's face in them, instead of trying to support their President and give the guy a chance to turn things around. I've been tagged as a Liberal. If you have a beef against Obama, I don't call you a racist. The only one's doing that are the African Americans, and that's both liberal and conservative-minded. Uh, segregation went out in the 50's. So I guess you want to allow the kids on the poor side of town to be able to attend the school's where the 'rich kids' go. School systems can handle just so many kids. Who'll pay for the transportaion of those kids to get to the other side of town? I know, MY TAX DOLLARS. So you want to RAISE taxes so kids can go to any school they want. Isn't that opposite to how conservatives think? I've never agreed with our Federal tax system. I've always been a proponent of a flat tax. Everyone pays the same rate no matter how much you make. Unfortunately, that'll never happen. You rail Obama about taxing the rich, yet his proposal is to increase taxes on anyone making over $250K from 34% to 39%. Wow, a whopping 5%. My local County Appraisal District just raised the value of my home another 10% this year. When houses are practically being given away, I have to pay 10% more in property taxes because apparently my home value has gone up. I'd take a 5% increase in my salary any day.
Not sure what kind of a response that is. You telling me no white liberals have called those who opposed Obama racist? I guess you missed all the stories about that twit Garafolo saying the people doing the tea parties were racists. So the Republicans have held rallies and called the Democrats names, and your point is? The Dems do the same thing and say just as nasty iof not more nasty stuff.
As far as whining about people not willing to give Obama a chance I was just wondering where you've had your head stuck the last 8 years? People were on Bush from day one.
I am about as anti-Obama as you'll find and I did give him a chance, in fact you can probably find a few posts from me here stating I was hoping for the best. Once it became obvious that Obama was going to out spend Bush I started to give up hope. He has definitely shown himself to be the left wing extremist many of us thought based on his record and words. Why would I support him when his policies are going to ruin the country? Look at the amound of BS programs they threw in the spendyouless package they put together. I was totally behind the idea of pouring money into infrastructure to create jobs but we need to look at slashing spending on social engineering programs, not increase them.
Why should only those at the top pay taxes? For all the left's whining about tax cuts for the rich the so-called rich had their overall share of the tax burden increased under Bush. I don't mind increasing taxes on those at the top, I just oppose increasing their taxes so you can give the money away to people at the bottom. I was a big supporter of the reform party's platform of no new spending and no tax cuts until the national debt was paid off.