More proof Obama = Socialism

beth

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For whatever reason you wish to believe, Bush's presidency ended rather badly, with more Americans not liking him (or his policies) than those who supported him. He left very unpopular, and it stands to reason that many would equate Bush with conservatives, and may even want to blame conservatives overall.
This country's majority is not conservative or liberal, but, mostly somewhere in the middle. However, enough people are hurting right now due to the economy, that many will gravitate toward the more social-minded policies (Obama). Yes, because of the failures of the Republicans as well.
In my view, harping about what a lier Obama was during the campaign is mute. If conservatives want to make a comeback, they need to clean up their act, define their principals and stick to them, and stop scraping up every same old, same olé, codger from the tired Republican pool, and trying to get Americans to vote for them.
I see few, if any, real winners among the Republicans....so, instead of throwing stones, clean house.
It may be a very long time before the political tide will switch back toward conservatism, but it won't happen as long as conservatives are looking backward, rather than forward.
Yes, Hannity's rudeness, and cutting people off, and trying to pawn off morons his staff dredge up during happy hour as being representative of "the other side" is annoying and ridiculous. Anybody with any intelligence can see through these cheap media ploys. As long as you have wanna-be's such as Beck, Hannity, and Levin around, there will always be fuel for the other side to point and say, "Look at the mouthpieces of the conservatives!). All these are running on Rush's thunder. Rush should just distance himself, rather than suck up all their backslapping praise.
But, that's just my view on things.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3034365
For whatever reason you wish to believe, Bush's presidency ended rather badly, with more Americans not liking him (or his policies) than those who supported him. He left very unpopular, and it stands to reason that many would equate Bush with conservatives, and may even want to blame conservatives overall.
This country's majority is not conservative or liberal, but, mostly somewhere in the middle. However, enough people are hurting right now due to the economy, that many will gravitate toward the more social-minded policies (Obama). Yes, because of the failures of the Republicans as well.
In my view, harping about what a lier Obama was during the campaign is mute. If conservatives want to make a comeback, they need to clean up their act, define their principals and stick to them, and stop scraping up every same old, same olé, codger from the tired Republican pool, and trying to get Americans to vote for them.
I see few, if any, real winners among the Republicans....so, instead of throwing stones, clean house.
It may be a very long time before the political tide will switch back toward conservatism, but it won't happen as long as conservatives are looking backward, rather than forward.
Yes, Hannity's rudeness, and cutting people off, and trying to pawn off morons his staff dredge up during happy hour as being representative of "the other side" is annoying and ridiculous. Anybody with any intelligence can see through these cheap media ploys. As long as you have wanna-be's such as Beck, Hannity, and Levin around, there will always be fuel for the other side to point and say, "Look at the mouthpieces of the conservatives!). All these are running on Rush's thunder. Rush should just distance himself, rather than suck up all their backslapping praise.
But, that's just my view on things.

I disagree. I'd think most people would rather have the government be an un-intrusive as possible and people just live their lives. The definition of conservatism. The sad fact is, the republicans and W didn't promote or do that. Instead they veered left, and succumbed to this notion of "reaching across the isle."
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3034371
I disagree. I'd think most people would rather have the government be an un-intrusive as possible and people just live their lives. The definition of conservatism. The sad fact is, the republicans and W didn't promote or do that. Instead they veered left, and succumbed to this notion of "reaching across the isle."

There does seem to be a shift back to traditional conservative values. Why do you think Arlen Specter switched sides? Polls had him down 21 points in the R primary. He did not stick with his beliefs, he went with political self preservation. I have no respect for that on either side. Although, this may backfire a bit as they need on vote from the minority to get judges out of the senate judicial committee. I'd be nice to see a little hard ball like was done to Bush's appointees.
 

reefraff

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Beck, while having an annoying personality has nailed the issues right on the head. He could really be a major power broker if he was content to work behind the scenes. He has great ratings even considering his annoying behavior.
The Republicans need to start listening to Newt Gingrich again. The party has gone down hill since they forced him out in 98' they year I quit being a Republican

Romney, Gingrich and Jebba the Bush are the ones I look to for a solution. Romney is the only one I think has a chance at winning the presidency which is a shame. I think Bush could have been a fantastic president and who knows, with time the political climate could change for him.
 

mantisman51

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I would hope that the Republicans would not hold Newt up as a standard-bearer. While I was and am in agreement with his Contract With America(the last time I voted as a Republican-then they got stupid), they will never shake the aura of slime if they use him to represent the party. He went into his wife's recovery room after her masectomy and handed her divorce papers so he could marry one of his staffers that was half his age. Not a paragon of virtue, heck not even a flawed messenger. He is a piece of garbage that really ought to go away with his tramp er new wife and never been seen again.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3034376
I would hope that the Republicans would not hold Newt up as a standard-bearer. While I was and am in agreement with his Contract With America(the last time I voted as a Republican-then they got stupid), they will never shake the aura of slime if they use him to represent the party. He went into his wife's recovery room after her masectomy and handed her divorce papers so he could marry one of his staffers that was half his age. Not a paragon of virtue, heck not even a flawed messenger. He is a piece of garbage that really ought to go away with his tramp er new wife and never been seen again.
I agree, he imo is a typical politician, speaking as the winds blow him.
Look most people if it is presented properly would vote for a conservative. (see reagan's 49 state landslide)
I don't believe that most American's want to have government telling them how to run their day to day lives. If it can be presented as do you want to vote for the person who will set up government so they are as unobtrusive as possible where you control your own destiny. Or do you want government to run your life and eventually make everyone equally as miserable.
The problem is most people don't see the choice that way. And quite frankly Republicans haven't been that way for a while.
 

bionicarm

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Why is it that every conservative-minded person equates liberalism to socialism? It's interesting that most of the right have this belief that if you don't agree with their logic or thinking, you must be a blinded idiot. I've lived through the conservative times, and I can say they weren't much better than today. Anytime we've let the American people follow the belief of Less Government, they screw it up so bad that it takes a liberal-minded person to clean it up. No government intervention, banks do what they want and hand out loans to anyone that asks for them, then wonder why someone who doesn't even have a job can't pay the loan back. No government involvement, car manufacturers do what they want, and pay their workers outrageous pay and benefits that makes it almost impossible to make a profit. No government watchdog, and corporate CEO's take home millions in bonuses while the company shareholders lose every dime because the same CEO runs the company into the ground. Oh yeah, conservatism is great.
 

mantisman51

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Socialism is the method of government involvement in private enterprise. So, if a person believes the government should intervene in matters of the private sector, that is socialist ideaology. When one moves from limited government intervention to government control, that is facism/communism. That is not a slam against any person or party, but rather the fact of socio-economic theory. One could argue that there has always been a certain amount of socialism in the U.S., the current argument is how far toward socialism will be allowed.
 

beth

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3034371
I disagree. I'd think most people would rather have the government be an un-intrusive as possible and people just live their lives. The definition of conservatism.
You may disagree, but most Americans do not disagree. Because most Americans voted for Obama. Why do you think that Obama is able to do things he is doing right now with government take over of banks and auto-industries, spending trillions on whatever? Its not because most Americans are against him, and what he does.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3034395
You may disagree, but most Americans do not disagree. Because most Americans voted for Obama. Why do you think that Obama is able to do things he is doing right now with government take over of banks and auto-industries, spending trillions on whatever? Its not because most Americans are against him, and what he does.

If people aren't convinced yet that Obama is a socialist they are either
(A) Blind
Or
(B) Stupid
Just my thought for the day
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3034555
If people aren't convinced yet that Obama is a socialist they are either
(A) Blind
Or
(B) Stupid
Just my thought for the day

Of course if you say it's so, it has to be true.

At least you picked the right state to move to. If there's any state in this country that is so far to the right, it's Florida. Some of the dumbest laws and controversial rulings in the past 10 years have come from MickeyLand.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3034395
You may disagree, but most Americans do not disagree. Because most Americans voted for Obama. Why do you think that Obama is able to do things he is doing right now with government take over of banks and auto-industries, spending trillions on whatever? Its not because most Americans are against him, and what he does.

Unless you just think they are gullible. Look Reagan when he proposed conservatism. He won a 49 state landslide.
And hey Bush with all his "unpopularity" still won 2 elections.
Besides, running democrat "lite" I'm sure doesn't help any.
It took 8 years for the media and their thinly veiled bias to really swing public opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VAfJyzN3ak
Heck it took longer to do that, than it took for bush to topple a country, and build it back up again...
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3034565
Of course if you say it's so, it has to be true.

At least you picked the right state to move to. If there's any state in this country that is so far to the right, it's Florida. Some of the dumbest laws and controversial rulings in the past 10 years have come from MickeyLand.
It amazes me that you havent been banned from Texas yet.
I thought for sure you would have been deported to San Francisco by now.
 

salty blues

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3034053
Glynn Beck, I'm sure has some kind of emotional issues. My comment has nothing to do with his political slant. He seems to always be teetering on the edge of a breakdown, and his radio show feels like that as well. I can't listen to him. Frequently, I can't even follow what he is talking about, though, as mantisman said above, I may actually agree with whatever he is saying from time to time. The delivery system, however, is riddled with intense over emotionalism and exaggeration.
I think Beck's personality and the way he acts is the reason his show is so popular. That and the fact that his analysis of political issues is on the mark. Many folks might not survive some of the crap he has dealt with. Oh, and it's Glenn, not Glynn.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/3034578
I think Beck's personality and the way he acts is the reason his show is so popular. That and the fact that his analysis of political issues is on the mark.
Not to mention he has knowledge and a understanding of the US Constitution andwhat it really means to the free people of the USA.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3034577
It amazes me that you havent been banned from Texas yet.
I thought for sure you would have been deported to San Francisco by now.

Hey republicans unlike democrats are confident enough in their believes to deal with ideas instead of personal attacks.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3034167
Both those turkeys are morons. But then again, people who vote liberal are morons maybe their ridiculous arguments will work on the thinking impaired.
If you can handle his sense of humor and sarcasm. (It is right up my alley) Rush is a brilliant speaker. Well thought out. Even if you don't agree with him politically, you have to appreciate a great argument.
Rush Limbaugh brilliant? Only in the minds of morons who think the way he does. The only thing the guy knows how to do is stir the pot and create controversy. Put him up against Obama in 2012. If that happens, at least we'll know Obama will serve two terms...
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3034577
It amazes me that you havent been banned from Texas yet.
I thought for sure you would have been deported to San Francisco by now.

I'd have moved to California if they let you across the Texas border.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3034586
Rush Limbaugh brilliant? Only in the minds of morons who think the way he does. The only thing the guy knows how to do is stir the pot and create controversy. Put him up against Obama in 2012. If that happens, at least we'll know Obama will serve two terms...
Go listen to him for a couple of months. Then talk to me.
He called McCain 2 years before it happened. And the arguments they'd use for them.
He called the war against the SUV.
He sits there and reads some news, then predicts how the media is going to spin it. And he is usually right on.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3034371
I disagree. I'd think most people would rather have the government be an un-intrusive as possible and people just live their lives. The definition of conservatism. The sad fact is, the republicans and W didn't promote or do that. Instead they veered left, and succumbed to this notion of "reaching across the isle."
The Federal Govt. has been involved with your life ever since they implemented Social Security, Medicare, and the Federal Income Tax System.
The problem I have with conservatives is they say they don't want Big Brother to be involved with their lives, yet they have no problem with their involvement when it comes to backing their personal beliefs, especially their religious ones. Conservatives have a way of forcing their personal beliefs and values on everyone else in this country, whether they respect those opinions and values or not. Conservatives have no problems with the government getting involved with a woman's right to do what she wants with her own body. Conservatives have no problems with the government denying homosexuals the same rights that married couples have. To me Conservatives = Big Brother, Federal Government
 
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