More proof Obama = Socialism

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3035133
I had to Google Janeane Garofalo to even find out who she was. You actually take credance as to what some second-rate comedianne has to say about Obama? She does comedy for a living, what do you expect? Add Andrew Dice Clay and Chris Rock to the mix while you're at it. Give me names of REAL influential people, then we'll talk.
How about Jack Murtha, he looks white. Are all those folk at the KOS and Huffington post Black? Keith Oberman? Besides what does it matter what color they are?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3035133
I had to Google Janeane Garofalo to even find out who she was. You actually take credance as to what some second-rate comedianne has to say about Obama? She does comedy for a living, what do you expect? Add Andrew Dice Clay and Chris Rock to the mix while you're at it. Give me names of REAL influential people, then we'll talk.
I was just commenting on your idiotic comment.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3034962
Why do you think this country's laws have to be based on religious values? So if I don't believe in God, I'm a bad person? You think that just because someone has christian beliefs, their devoid from murdering someone or stealing something? Tell that to the hundreds of boys who were molested and raped by Catholic priests. Tell that to the thousands of patrons who gave millions of dollars to these 'ministers' who put it in their personal pockets instead in the church where it belonged.
Yes, Conservatives and Republicans use their political arenas to push their religious causes. Look at Rick Perry. He's pushing legislation whereby women who want abortions are required to look at a sonogram of the fetus before they can have the procedure. He just passed a law where you can now order license plates that say 'Choose Life' on them. Those are his personal and religious beliefs, not mine. I don't even get a say in the matter because it's not up for public vote.
Funny, I didn't know not killing babies was considered a religious belief and shoving christianity down people's throat.
You can't really be serious right. You don't really believe what you say, your just being an internet pot stirrer right?

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3034198
It's fine to celebrate your heritage if it's from Africa or Mexico but if it happens to be European that makes you a racist

"Multiculturalism" as defined by the left is ruining our country. American culture is a product of many different cultures and traditions, we are multi ethnic, probably more so than any other country on the planet. But when all is said and done we were always Americans first. This garbage of claiming to be a ______-American is a load. It sets us up to be divided.
We can be multicultural or unicultural/multiethnic.
One will ruin the country. One will strengthen the country.
I'll let you decide.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3035133
I had to Google Janeane Garofalo to even find out who she was. You actually take credance as to what some second-rate comedianne has to say about Obama? She does comedy for a living, what do you expect? Add Andrew Dice Clay and Chris Rock to the mix while you're at it. Give me names of REAL influential people, then we'll talk.
I love you, man.
We totally agree here. I wish Sean Penn would shut up and act.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3035265
Funny, I didn't know not killing babies was considered a religious belief and shoving christianity down people's throat.
You can't really be serious right. You don't really believe what you say, your just being an internet pot stirrer right?
What groups AROUND THE WORLD protest abortion the most? THE RELIGIOUS GROUPS. Who leads that parade? The VATICAN AND THE POPE. You're telling me all these Pro Life people have no affiliation to any religious orders? That the majority of people who oppose abortions are atheists? Notre Dame was just ostracized by the Vatican and all the American bishops because they were inviting Obama to speak at some commencement. Show me the numbers where the majority of people who oppose abortions are not affiliated with some form of religion. Show me ANY Pro Life organization whose members don't reek of christian values and religious beliefs.

 

[uneverno]

Wow!
I'm suddenly horribly frightened. I think I made a huge mistake in voting for The Angel of Light.
Honestly, I'd like to hear the entirety of Obama's speech so that I could glean context from it rather than hearing Mr. Beck's shrill interpretation of ex post facto soundbites.
The guy's been in office 110 or so days and the world is coming to an end.
Seriously? If the R's who held the office for 22 of the last 30 years had left it in better shape, perhaps we wouldn't need to be concerned about Beelzebub. Sheesh.
As far as I'm concerned Mr. Obama is, so far, a disappointment. Nothing of the previous administration's implemented policy has been reversed or even modified.

In fact, if anything, it's been furthered.
I think I'm willing to watch and wait however. No-one accomplishes anything in their first 1/4.
As for Mr. Beck (and I've listened to him extensively, being a follower of Sun Tzu) he's kinda off his rocker. E.g. the Constitution does indeed define negative rights for the govt. That's exactly what Mr. Obama said. To twist that around and say that the follow up statement - it doesn't define what the gov't must do - is a prelude to Marxist-Fascism (and I'm not sure I understand what that is) is ridiculous.
There are most certainly things the gov't must do. I'm not sure where Mr. Beck gets his facts from, in terms of what those things are, from Mr. Obama's statement. They weren't enumerated in the soundbites Mr. Beck presented.
Should I trust that Mr. Beck is accurately representing Mr. Obama's statements, or is Mr. Beck perhaps, (as Fascists are wont to do), fear mongering?

 

[reefraff]

Not sure I've heard Beck say the Constitution only asserted the rights of the people but he does say that about the Bill of Rights quite often.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3034974
They now spend every waking hour PhotoShopping pictures and putting Obama's face in them, instead of trying to support their President and give the guy a chance to turn things around.
I forgot, the republicans the last eight years made these as well....

 

[bionicarm]

The Blondie comic speaks for itself:

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3035488
Wow!
I'm suddenly horribly frightened. I think I made a huge mistake in voting for The Angel of Light.
Honestly, I'd like to hear the entirety of Obama's speech so that I could glean context from it rather than hearing Mr. Beck's shrill interpretation of ex post facto soundbites.
The guy's been in office 110 or so days and the world is coming to an end.
Seriously? If the R's who held the office for 22 of the last 30 years had left it in better shape, perhaps we wouldn't need to be concerned about Beelzebub. Sheesh.
As far as I'm concerned Mr. Obama is, so far, a disappointment. Nothing of the previous administration's implemented policy has been reversed or even modified.

In fact, if anything, it's been furthered.
I think I'm willing to watch and wait however. No-one accomplishes anything in their first 1/4.
As for Mr. Beck (and I've listened to him extensively, being a follower of Sun Tzu) he's kinda off his rocker. E.g. the Constitution does indeed define negative rights for the govt. That's exactly what Mr. Obama said. To twist that around and say that the follow up statement - it doesn't define what the gov't must do - is a prelude to Marxist-Fascism (and I'm not sure I understand what that is) is ridiculous.
There are most certainly things the gov't must do. I'm not sure where Mr. Beck gets his facts from, in terms of what those things are, from Mr. Obama's statement. They weren't enumerated in the soundbites Mr. Beck presented.
Should I trust that Mr. Beck is accurately representing Mr. Obama's statements, or is Mr. Beck perhaps, (as Fascists are wont to do), fear mongering?
Beck and I agree the Constitution LIMITS the power of the Feds. That is what my OP is abot. Obama hates the fact the feds are limited by the Constitution.
The Constitution is pretty clear on the role of the feds.( common defense comes first).
Why do they continue to call conservative libertarians "fascists" or "Nazi"?Those 2 words while loaded with connotations actually mean the opposite of what a conservative libertairian believes
You do understand that Mr Obama is more of a Marxist than Mr Beck don't you?

 

[scsinet]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3035714
Why do they continue to call conservative libertarians "fascists" or "Nazi"
It's ironic to say the least. Fascism is, among other things, when industry is privately owned yet government controlled...
Kind of rings true with what the goverment is trying to do with banks... auto companies...

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/3035813
It's ironic to say the least. Fascism is, among other things, when industry is privately owned yet government controlled...
Kind of rings true with what the goverment is trying to do with banks... auto companies...
Is the the American public that uneducated that this re-definition of words is believed.
Granted it's been 60+ years, but have we forgotten history and what the words mean.

 

[beth]

Fascism is an extremely nationalistic political ideology with an emphasis on military might (needed to advance the ideology). Whatever form it takes, I am very hard pressed to think of any US presidency or US government that even came remotely close.
Fascist, actually, are not liberal-minded at all, since their ideology espouses a survival of the fittest mentality. That would exclude poor minorities, disabled people, the working poor, mentally ill, etc., etc.
It is neither socialism nor capitalism--but an ideology that tends to abhor both those ideologies. Its a third political option, if you will. A belief system that the world could actually do best without.

 

[uneverno]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3035714
Beck and I agree the Constitution LIMITS the power of the Feds. That is what my OP is abot. Obama hates the fact the feds are limited by the Constitution.
I agree that the Constitution limits the rights of the Federal Gov't too. I'm not sure Obama's the only one that hates that, however. The erosion of the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of the people is not exactly new to Obama. It's been taking place in small increments since President Washington. Hell, the bill of rights was passed because it had to be, not just to clarify the situation.
It is the Power Structure itself that hates the fact, not a particular president nor his party.
The Patriot Act was one of the most erosive documents to the Federal Constitution since the Civil War. We could delve into the history of it throughout each presidency if you'd like. What we'll end up with is that neither R's nor D's nor Whigs, nor Progressives were particularly concerned w/ the rights of the people nearly as much as they were/are their campaign contributor's rights.
The Constitution is pretty clear on the role of the feds.( common defense comes first).
Why do they continue to call conservative libertarians "fascists" or "Nazi"?Those 2 words while loaded with connotations actually mean the opposite of what a conservative libertairian believes
In essence I agree with the statement. I'm still not sure who "they" are however. Is this the same they we were speaking about on the other thread?
You do understand that Mr Obama is more of a Marxist than Mr Beck don't you?
Well, to the extent that those terms are actually defineable, yes. It is Mr. Beck, however that has created the confusion, not the "uneducated public's" misperception of a definition.
I find it rather difficult to mount an argument against Beck's statement when he calls Obama's ideals Marxist-Fascism.
I'm well acquainted with the terms, so really, what the hell does what Beck said mean?
As I stated initially, I find his argument to be fear mongering, not logical.

 

[feelingfishy]

I now this is random but how do you post pictures on this site??

 

[uneverno]

Post the pic to photobucket. Use photobucket's "" nomenclature to link the pic to your SWF post.
Don't use copyrighted pics. That drives network adminstrators crazy.

 

[sickboy]

Interesting read, this thread has made it much further than i expected, I wish I had more time to participate....

 

[reefraff]

It will be interesting to see who the Ossiah picks for the court. Be more interesting to see exactly how hypocritical the Democrats will be. Several of them stated that it was their duty to oppose Bushes nominees based of political philosophies. Obama voted to filibuster Alito. They really have no room to criticize the Republicans for fighting his pick.

 

[sickboy]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3036465
It will be interesting to see who the Ossiah picks for the court. Be more interesting to see exactly how hypocritical the Democrats will be. Several of them stated that it was their duty to oppose Bushes nominees based of political philosophies. Obama voted to filibuster Alito. They really have no room to criticize the Republicans for fighting his pick.
On this issue, initial reports indicate that the Reps will take the high road as the slap in the face to the dems. I would love to see that, oppose but not filibuster. Of course it won't work out the way they want, but I would truly respect that...