Most Overrated?

rylan1

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Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2531798
no way... Jr is a good driver, he just races against drivers that were on better teams... now that Jr is on a better team he is the best driver on that team trough four races... as far as Danica goes she is the only female to do what she has done in that sport so of course she is gonna get extra hype... not to mention she is very marketable...
most over rated: Yao Ming, Reggie Bush, Ron Mexico, Phillip Rivers, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Navitzki, (i could go on but wont)...
Your wrong on all these guys... Michelle Wie is vastly overrated... at least she was...
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by ruaround
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so i misspelled Dirks name... wgara... he hasnt done anything since Nash left... KG did shine and proved that he WAS a good player but now he is just mediochre at best... his new team mates are what is making him look good now, but even now he isnt this superforce to be reckoned with... nOwitzki is top 10 in only ONE catergory... KG isnt in the top ten in ANY catergory and in most he doesnt even make the top 40... who is top ten in 3 and top 40 in ALL??? that would be Kobe Bryant... yup he sure is over rated... not that i like him by any means, but he is one of the greatest to play the game...
Are you serious?... KG has been in top 10 in points, rebounds, and double-doubles for nearly his whole career... he won the MVP... the reason why he is not this year is because of his role with the team... He has 2 other allstars on his team and potential HOF'ers... He doesn't have to score as much..
Nowitzki may be slightly overrated due to his inablity to bang inside..I mean he is a 7footer.. and his inablity to to be the man in crunch time (NBA Finals/Playoffs) however he is still one of the top players in the league...probably top 10-12.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by caseysimp7
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shaquille oneal is really overated.so is yao ming
YaoMing is not overrated...He is the 2nd best Center... Shaq has slipped a bit but that is due his age, I believe he is 35 now.. he's also been injured a lot.
 
lexluethar

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Wayne Gretzky (although he scored a rediculous amount of goals it was during an erra in which it was common to have 8-5 games) no one will get as many goals / points as him because of this fact. Although I saw him in a few games later in his career, what I did see of him scoring was NOTHING like when I see Crosby score off his back or knees.
Agreed Wie, Vick (great athlete but never the phenom people gave him credit for), Rivers, Larry Johnson (it was more his offensive line then him, it showed last season when they didn't have their line), and i'm sure i'll think of some more...
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by Pontius
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I strongly disagree about the Jordan thing. I have seen no one before or since that could hold Jordan's jockstrap.
I've made the same arguments before about Ali. My biggest opinion is that Tyson, at the height of his career, was unbeatable and probably the greatest boxer ever. but I have had this same discussion with someone old enough to have seen both in their prime, and he said that Ali was better. he also reminded me that before Ali was forced into a temporary retirement due to the Vietnam thing, no one ever came close to beating him either. I will also give him the fact that he fought better competition than Tyson. though Tyson was flatout vicious in handling his opponents.
also, to the person who said Jeff Gordon is overrated. no doubt, he is one of the most hated people in racing. but I don't see how anyone with a straight face can say that he is not one of the alltime greats of racing. I hate Tony Stewart, but I recognize that he is probably the best driver going today.

One thing you have to think about w/ Ali is that he fought the greatest heavy weights ever!... Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Liston, Floyd Patterson, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks...
Heavyweight class since has been very mediocore...Tyson, Holyfiled, Lewis were the only quality ones.
 
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Originally Posted by Saltman23
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IMO Loul Deng is NOT overated.
Are you serious? Isn't this the guy who many were saying was a top 10 player in the NBA and one of the elite SF in the game? Many would also believe he is the reason some key trades were not made.
 
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IMO he is a very talented player that can post up and shoot the high range jumpshot as well as rebound.
 
kjr_trig

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Dale Earnhardt Jr., best ever points finish is 3rd overall, yet he gets as much or more attention than Gordan, Stewart, and Johnson.
Its easy to say Michelle Wei, but she is only 18, I think most of the attention she gets has been due to her age, how far she hits the ball, and her stupid infatuation with playing with the boys...Oh yeah and if she would have been pudgy and frumpy no one would care either, her looks have been a big factor.
Oh, and sorry Saltman, Loul Deng is not one of the 50 best players in the league.
Oh, and one more thing about Wei, she has fallen on some bad golf, but she did debut at #3 on the Ladies World Rankings, not so bad when she was 16 I think.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
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One thing you have to think about w/ Ali is that he fought the greatest heavy weights ever!... Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Liston, Floyd Patterson, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks...
Heavyweight class since has been very mediocore...Tyson, Holyfiled, Lewis were the only quality ones.
You cant seriously compare the Ali/Liston/Forman/Fraizer era with any other. Ali was just as phisically good as Hollyfield and a lot better ring General. He would have owned mike Tyson. I don't think Leon belongs on your list though.
 
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I think that Loul Deng is among the top 50 and if not this year will be next year.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
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You cant seriously compare the Ali/Liston/Forman/Fraizer era with any other. Ali was just as phisically good as Hollyfield and a lot better ring General. He would have owned mike Tyson. I don't think Leon belongs on your list though.
okay ...take Spinks off... But for anyone who know boxing... there Tyson was great... but did not stand the test of time like Ali... and after his Tyson's loss to Douglas... he was over... You can actually compare their careers because both suffered losses when people thought they were unbeatable.. they both had a few years off due to legal issues...but Ali came back to win...Tyson didn't. They both also were youngest champions at like 21/22yrs
 
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Originally Posted by Saltman23
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I think that Loul Deng is among the top 50 and if not this year will be next year.
Top 50 on 2009 NBA roster maybe... Deng is overrated based on one good year.. He may not even be the best on his team..
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2532926
okay ...take Spinks off... But for anyone who know boxing... there Tyson was great... but did not stand the test of time like Ali... and after his Tyson's loss to Douglas... he was over... You can actually compare their careers because both suffered losses when people thought they were unbeatable.. they both had a few years off due to legal issues...but Ali came back to win...Tyson didn't. They both also were youngest champions at like 21/22yrs
Tyson couldn't hang with any smart fighter that had decent physical abilities. I'd bet Ken Norton would have give him all he wanted. Norton was another smart fighter. Just not as much physical ability. If he hadn't caught a lucky punch and brke ALI's Jaw I don't thinK he would have ended up winning that one.
Ali was just at a different plane mentally. Closest thing to him I think was Sugar Ray Leonard.
 
pontius

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
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and after his Tyson's loss to Douglas... he was over... You can actually compare their careers because both suffered losses when people thought they were unbeatable.. they both had a few years off due to legal issues...but Ali came back to win...Tyson didn't. They both also were youngest champions at like 21/22yrs
Tyson's downfall had nothing to do with Buster Douglas. it had to do with his father-figure/trainer Cus Amato dying and then turning to the corrupt side of the sport, ie Don King. if not for Amato's death, I say Tyson would've never lost a match. in Tyson/Holyfield/Lennox's primes, Holyfield or Lewis would not have lasted 4 rounds with Tyson. neither of the Klitscho brothers would have made it through the first round with Tyson in his prime.
Ali was smart in the ring, but his biggest advantage was that he was so much bigger than most of his opponents. once he started fighting boxers his own size, he didn't look nearly as impressive (granted, he was older at the time). Tyson had no problem with bigger fighters even though he was not so big himself. in fact, he specialized in getting inside on big fighers and destroying them with flurries. saying Tyson couldn't handle "smart" fighters is a joke, imo.
Ali in his prime vs Tyson in his prime would be a great fight to watch.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by Pontius
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Tyson's downfall had nothing to do with Buster Douglas. it had to do with his father-figure/trainer Cus Amato dying and then turning to the corrupt side of the sport, ie Don King. if not for Amato's death, I say Tyson would've never lost a match. in Tyson/Holyfield/Lennox's primes, Holyfield or Lewis would not have lasted 4 rounds with Tyson. neither of the Klitscho brothers would have made it through the first round with Tyson in his prime.
Ali was smart in the ring, but his biggest advantage was that he was so much bigger than most of his opponents. once he started fighting boxers his own size, he didn't look nearly as impressive (granted, he was older at the time). Tyson had no problem with bigger fighters even though he was not so big himself. in fact, he specialized in getting inside on big fighers and destroying them with flurries. saying Tyson couldn't handle "smart" fighters is a joke, imo.
Ali in his prime vs Tyson in his prime would be a great fight to watch.
It would be a great fight... Frazier and Foreman were big fighters...especially Foreman...
I agree with you as that being a major factor for Tyson with his new management and trainers... I also think the loss played a factor for a guy who had never been knocked down...Also Robin Givens... his ex-wife was a factor.. and lastly going to prison... I think they all played a significant role.
As far as power... Foreman and Tyson were in the same category..
 
pontius

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
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It would be a great fight... Frazier and Foreman were big fighters...especially Foreman...
I agree with you as that being a major factor for Tyson with his new management and trainers... I also think the loss played a factor for a guy who had never been knocked down...Also Robin Givens... his ex-wife was a factor.. and lastly going to prison... I think they all played a significant role.
As far as power... Foreman and Tyson were in the same category..
Frazier wasn't big at all. in fact, he and Tyson were the same size.....5'11. Ali was 6'3. and yet Frazier gave Ali fits, and even beat him once. and personally, I think Tyson was much better than Frazier.
yes, Tyson had Foreman power. but he also had the speed of a lower weight-class fighter and the "balls" (for lack of a better word) to not be wary to get inside on larger fighters. I personally think Tyson would have had a field day with Foreman, just due to the speed factor.
 
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