MURDEROUS new tank!!!
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katsafados
Active Member
What are you feeding??? Theres nothing in your tank!
Stop adding food in it, its just increasing the ammonia levels. Leave the tank alone and let the bacteria multiply by itself. You shouldn't have to go through another cycle since the bacteria is living off what ever ammonia is in your tank. I think stability is just food for the benifitail bacteria. I might be mistaken though. I read it somewhere but I dont know if it was for that product.
Like I said before, grab a pic of the bristle worm and PM cranberry and see if she can tell you what species it is, then reseach it! You dont have to take it out of the tank at this moment because most bristle worms are benifitial to your tank, and you dont have anything in it for it to harm.
SO STEPS:
1. Stop using stability (try to stay away from using chemical products. Just use suppliments for your fish later on when you have livestock. All I use is vitachem, selcon, zoe, and garlic xtreem)
2. Take a good clear pic of the bristle worm and show cranberry.
3. look up and reseach the bristle worm and see if it could be the problem.
4. Maybe try an inexpensive fish like a cromis, and see if he lasts in the tank.
5. If all else fails come back here and we can brainstorm more! haha
Stop adding food in it, its just increasing the ammonia levels. Leave the tank alone and let the bacteria multiply by itself. You shouldn't have to go through another cycle since the bacteria is living off what ever ammonia is in your tank. I think stability is just food for the benifitail bacteria. I might be mistaken though. I read it somewhere but I dont know if it was for that product.
Like I said before, grab a pic of the bristle worm and PM cranberry and see if she can tell you what species it is, then reseach it! You dont have to take it out of the tank at this moment because most bristle worms are benifitial to your tank, and you dont have anything in it for it to harm.
SO STEPS:
1. Stop using stability (try to stay away from using chemical products. Just use suppliments for your fish later on when you have livestock. All I use is vitachem, selcon, zoe, and garlic xtreem)
2. Take a good clear pic of the bristle worm and show cranberry.
3. look up and reseach the bristle worm and see if it could be the problem.
4. Maybe try an inexpensive fish like a cromis, and see if he lasts in the tank.
5. If all else fails come back here and we can brainstorm more! haha
katsafados
Active Member
hmm I suppose so. But make sure the hermit looks nice and healthy!
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vinnyraptor
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Originally Posted by rlablan
http:///forum/post/3089214
I am under the impression that my new tank is killing everything I put in it!!! PLEASE HELP!
I Have been setting up and cycling my new 24g nano set up with live rock and sand. Here is the set up:
-24gal 'Cardiff' model bow front made by Current USA.
-This model is all-inclusive with a built in skimmer, and flow pump, with two adjustable flow nozzles on the other side of the 'false wall backing'.
-The rate of flow is whatever standard flow is for this model and pump.
-JBJ 1/15th HP chiller
-150 watt MH (With nearly new bulb) Current USA pendant.
20 lbs LR
22lbs LS
temp is 76-77 stable.
PH-8.4 (little higher than normal)
nitrite-0
Nitrate-0
Ammonia-0
The reason I am concerned is that my tank seems to be killing everything I put in it. I fragged some pulsing Xenia to put in the new nano from the other tank and also moved my beloved toadstool into the tank last night. I placed them in appropriate areas and had them under my metal halide. Came back this afternoon and neither of them look well. The toadstool is hard, none of his little "spines" are out and he has lost 80% of his peachy color. He is covered is a hazy layer of slime. The Xenia just looks lifeless and limp and doesn't open it's little hands much. I also placed 2 very small snails in the tank to start on the algae that is filming up on the glass. They roved around a bit and were eating. today that are sitting quite still and usually when I pick them up, they will suction on whatever I put them on. Not so this time. They haven't moved all day. They are hold up in their shells. One has even receded so far into his shell he is barely visible. What could be wrong??
scanned the thread.. did u aclimate properly? xenia should jump with no problems if water parameters, lighting, and flow is good. somethings up? retest and test again.
http:///forum/post/3089214
I am under the impression that my new tank is killing everything I put in it!!! PLEASE HELP!
I Have been setting up and cycling my new 24g nano set up with live rock and sand. Here is the set up:
-24gal 'Cardiff' model bow front made by Current USA.
-This model is all-inclusive with a built in skimmer, and flow pump, with two adjustable flow nozzles on the other side of the 'false wall backing'.
-The rate of flow is whatever standard flow is for this model and pump.
-JBJ 1/15th HP chiller
-150 watt MH (With nearly new bulb) Current USA pendant.
20 lbs LR
22lbs LS
temp is 76-77 stable.
PH-8.4 (little higher than normal)
nitrite-0
Nitrate-0
Ammonia-0
The reason I am concerned is that my tank seems to be killing everything I put in it. I fragged some pulsing Xenia to put in the new nano from the other tank and also moved my beloved toadstool into the tank last night. I placed them in appropriate areas and had them under my metal halide. Came back this afternoon and neither of them look well. The toadstool is hard, none of his little "spines" are out and he has lost 80% of his peachy color. He is covered is a hazy layer of slime. The Xenia just looks lifeless and limp and doesn't open it's little hands much. I also placed 2 very small snails in the tank to start on the algae that is filming up on the glass. They roved around a bit and were eating. today that are sitting quite still and usually when I pick them up, they will suction on whatever I put them on. Not so this time. They haven't moved all day. They are hold up in their shells. One has even receded so far into his shell he is barely visible. What could be wrong??
scanned the thread.. did u aclimate properly? xenia should jump with no problems if water parameters, lighting, and flow is good. somethings up? retest and test again.
rlablan
Active Member
Yes, I did acclimate. I have checked the levels. the only thing that was wrong was the PH was at 8.2. I like them to be at 8.4. That was it. salinity is still the same, RODI water, MH lighting, chiller is working... I have no idea. I guess I will pluck a hermit out of my 45 and get to acclimating him..... Wish us luck!
katsafados
Active Member
Okay look up cranberry and send her those pics of the bristle worm. Or even just let her know that you posted some pics and you need an id on them.
Good luck with the hermit!
Good luck with the hermit!
rdub62
Member
Not a big fan of bristle worms.
Had one show up in my refugium, grew to about 8 inches. Very annoying...and the bigger stings like a brush up against a thorn bush if you don't see them.
Also with the snails.., I've probably lost 50% of ones I've purchased my only guess was that there was not enough algae when I put them in there for them to live off of.
Things happen.
Had one show up in my refugium, grew to about 8 inches. Very annoying...and the bigger stings like a brush up against a thorn bush if you don't see them.
Also with the snails.., I've probably lost 50% of ones I've purchased my only guess was that there was not enough algae when I put them in there for them to live off of.
Things happen.
rlablan
Active Member
Yeah I actually fed it last night, and nothing. All the levels are still zero, but the PHs are at 8.4. exactly where I want them to be.
rdub62- you could be right. I lost a few crabs and such when I put them in the tank. But never have I seen EVERYTHING die at once. I was just really concerned about stocking this tank, because all of the levels were correct.
Cran- thanks for taking a look at those pictures. I thought they were regular but just to be on the safe side. I don't mind them too much, I don't tend to move my rock about and If I do, I am careful. I may try to remove a few of them.
Aguaguy- Thanks for the advice. I am going to test again today and I guess I'll post o let everyone know what is up.
rdub62- you could be right. I lost a few crabs and such when I put them in the tank. But never have I seen EVERYTHING die at once. I was just really concerned about stocking this tank, because all of the levels were correct.
Cran- thanks for taking a look at those pictures. I thought they were regular but just to be on the safe side. I don't mind them too much, I don't tend to move my rock about and If I do, I am careful. I may try to remove a few of them.
Aguaguy- Thanks for the advice. I am going to test again today and I guess I'll post o let everyone know what is up.
rlablan
Active Member
Yeah, they tested it for me. The best solution was that I switch to buying their RO DI water. (surprise surprise.) I use my system on my 45 and haven't had a problem there and that tank is full of inverts and fish and rock and all... Plus we drink from that system too and it hasn't killed us yet. BUT If I stop posting... call someone.
rlablan
Active Member
UPDATE:
So I haven't really done anything with the tank since we last posted about it. I had that little hermit in there, he was just fine. The toadstool did end up dying and so did the xenia frag.
So What have I done now? I have done some water changes, tested today, everything was fine. The skimmer is working properly and I figured what the heck and bought some critters. I got about 10 very very tiny hermits, mexican brown leg or something like that... I bought what was cheap.
And I got 4 of the coney looking snails. I acclimated them all for about 45 mins to an hour. Put them all in and... drum roll please..... I think the 4 snails are all dead. I don't know why.... put them in and they all moved for a bit, then began to fall off of the glass and rocks and I up-righted them, but they haven't moved since. I put some sinking pellets in for the crabs and they are walking around and eating things and exploring.
I also pulled a few very small frags (2 to 4 heads) of my radioactive dragon eye zoas from my 45 which is T5 bulbs and placed them on some frag plugs and temp acclimated them to the 24gal, with the MH lamp. They are not open at all and have been in there for about 5 hours. In fact, they seem to have closed up tighter. here is a pic of the placement in the tank. Who wants to bet if they'll open up again or not!?!?!
Also, what is the brown/bright orange algae growing on my glass, this has been there for a few days now, and it is only in very small spec, this is a pic of a rather large patch. Anybody have a guess? Is this something that is a signal to the mysterious tank of death?
I guess I will give it to tomorrow and see if the snails move or what? The crabs seem to be fine. I guess we'll see later and I will let you know!
So I haven't really done anything with the tank since we last posted about it. I had that little hermit in there, he was just fine. The toadstool did end up dying and so did the xenia frag.
So What have I done now? I have done some water changes, tested today, everything was fine. The skimmer is working properly and I figured what the heck and bought some critters. I got about 10 very very tiny hermits, mexican brown leg or something like that... I bought what was cheap.
I also pulled a few very small frags (2 to 4 heads) of my radioactive dragon eye zoas from my 45 which is T5 bulbs and placed them on some frag plugs and temp acclimated them to the 24gal, with the MH lamp. They are not open at all and have been in there for about 5 hours. In fact, they seem to have closed up tighter. here is a pic of the placement in the tank. Who wants to bet if they'll open up again or not!?!?!
Also, what is the brown/bright orange algae growing on my glass, this has been there for a few days now, and it is only in very small spec, this is a pic of a rather large patch. Anybody have a guess? Is this something that is a signal to the mysterious tank of death?
I guess I will give it to tomorrow and see if the snails move or what? The crabs seem to be fine. I guess we'll see later and I will let you know!
rlablan
Active Member
okay so it is 3 am right now, and I am pretty sure that everything in the tank is either dead and/or dying. The crabs are out of their shell, but in the same places that they were hours ago and not real moving very much. The snails are where they were hours ago too, and the zoas are not looking good. Can someone come up with the mystery of what is going on? I feel really bad that everything dies so quickly... What is going on???
I bought the tank brand new, all the little carbon baggies where sealed and so where the bio balls it came with. I got the live rock from the LFS that I got my rock from for my 45 gal and everything in there is happy. I can only test for nitrate, nitrite, ammonia and PH. Everything is coming back the way it should. I use the same test for my 45 and they are normal, test are not old, They are less than 2 months old. WHAT IS GOING ON? I am going to cry for these poor critters!!! I have doomed them to death.... What can I do????
I bought the tank brand new, all the little carbon baggies where sealed and so where the bio balls it came with. I got the live rock from the LFS that I got my rock from for my 45 gal and everything in there is happy. I can only test for nitrate, nitrite, ammonia and PH. Everything is coming back the way it should. I use the same test for my 45 and they are normal, test are not old, They are less than 2 months old. WHAT IS GOING ON? I am going to cry for these poor critters!!! I have doomed them to death.... What can I do????
flower
Well-Known Member
What I think is going on..
The glow in the dark orange stuff is probably coraline..to be sure, try scraping it off..Is it hard or slimy? Hard is coraline ..Slimy could be cyano.
Snails play dead if you touch them. Corals take time to adjust. You have no nitrate...Xenia loves nitrate and lots of light (light you have) so the tank is just too new for xenia.
Nanos are tough, things go bad fast. Your PH is good but try turning up the heat a bit, like to 80. People keep the temp low to slow things down like algae growth...but coral likes warm too...frags are already shocked and need to be left alone to grow and adapt. Moving them around..Touching them too much...changes cause them to take a long time to bounce back.
The CUC is being put in a tank that has nothing to feed them. Until you have an algae bloom of brown stuff the tank isn't ready for a CUC. Every new tank gets the brown eventually.
Since your tank has cycled...try adding a tiny fish to give it some life. Corals are for later (a month or two). Your tank isn't murderous..It is just new.
katsafados
Active Member
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