My 150g

flower

flower

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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/381993/my-150g/20#post_3331697
Also, my pajama cardinals have been drip acclimating for about 2 hours... do you guys think that's long enough? I've been noticing SWF.com has been giving a greater acclimation time than when everyone on the forum says and what people in the store say... I didn't ask regarding these guys though.

2 hours should be enough...but what you discribe is a hospital tank. A place to treat sick fish. A QT is a place to observe new fish for illness BEFORE it can infect all the others. If problem occur you can treat that one fish. There is no such thing as keeping a tank healthy enough to fee safe to add fish without useing a QT.
I fear and dread adding anything new to my tank...even rock. All the fish I have are old timers...LOL I have a 10g QT I haven't needed it for years.
 
sparty059

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That's true, there isn't a such thing as keeping a tank healthy enough to feel safe to add fish without using a QT. However, I make myself believe there is a such thing! :)
 
2quills

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Sparty, you are a brave soul my good man. I would hope that you never had to deal with an outbreak of Ich in your display, but at the same time I don't know anyone who hasn't had to deal with a major issues like that in their system at least one time or another. We can all talk untill we're blue in the face and just like most of us and myself included would probably always rush things in the beginning untill we've had to face these issues face to face. These are the moments that we learn the most of what to do and what not to do in those types of situations. I always wish you the best success with your system and will continue to nag you if I feel you could be making a huge mistake. I would hope that someone would do the same with me whether I choose to follow the advice or not.
 
sparty059

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/381993/my-150g/40#post_3331706
Sparty, you are a brave soul my good man. I would hope that you never had to deal with an outbreak of Ich in your display, but at the same time I don't know anyone who hasn't had to deal with a major issues like that in their system at least one time or another. We can all talk untill we're blue in the face and just like most of us and myself included would probably always rush things in the beginning untill we've had to face these issues face to face. These are the moments that we learn the most of what to do and what not to do in those types of situations. I always wish you the best success with your system and will continue to nag you if I feel you could be making a huge mistake. I would hope that someone would do the same with me whether I choose to follow the advice or not.
A brave soul I am! A foolish one just as much! However, like you had said, it takes first hand experience "in most cases" to really have something set in and take affect. I know what I am doing is risky, but I do plan from here on out to QT the rest of the fish I do purchase. I know it can cause many problems not QT'ing at first, but for these last 5 cardinals I'm living on a little bit of hope. As I said before the other fish I have added all look very healthy. They've been in my tank for a month now (give or take a few days) so I'm assuming that means they would have been cleared to be placed in the DT now had they been in the QT... correct?
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/381993/my-150g/40#post_3331704
That's true, there isn't a such thing as keeping a tank healthy enough to feel safe to add fish without using a QT. However, I make myself believe there is a such thing! :)

Oh Sparty...Making yourself believe something doesn't work for flying like superman off tall buildings or fish tanks. You are playing with the very lives of your finny friends. Their entire world is in that glass box.
A new fish is still a new fish, even in a QT. You can dress up the QT to be a nice little tank for stop over before he gets to the big home. If the new guy gets sick remove the rock and sand and fix him up. It will be lots easier in a little tank than a 150g one.
Just food for tought...I will stop preaching now
 
2quills

2quills

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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/381993/my-150g/40#post_3331710
Quote: A brave soul I am! A foolish one just as much! However, like you had said, it takes first hand experience "in most cases" to really have something set in and take affect. I know what I am doing is risky, but I do plan from here on out to QT the rest of the fish I do purchase. I know it can cause many problems not QT'ing at first, but for these last 5 cardinals I'm living on a little bit of hope. As I said before the other fish I have added all look very healthy. They've been in my tank for a month now (give or take a few days) so I'm assuming that means they would have been cleared to be placed in the DT now had they been in the QT... correct?
Not necissarily no. The Ich parasite can live in a fish it's whole life and as long as the fishes immune system is healthy you may never see it. So even if it didn't necissarily show up in quarantine doesn't mean that it isn't there. Alot of people like to treat there fish for parasites before they go into the qt or while they're in there before introducing them to the dt as a precaution. I suspect that if it's there then you'll know it not long after you get the Tang. I hope not. And to be honest with you, I think just about everysingle person who has ever ventured into this hobby has used the same rationalization as you have in hopes that they'll be ok and can avert disaster or believe they are prepared for it when it happens. I was no different. But you know this already and are willing to take the risk and accept the consequences should things turn south. I wish I had done more research before I jumped into saltwater. But then again, untill we're faced with these issues then you don't always know what to research for. I didn't have this site in the beginning, I wish I did. You have one up on me.
 
sparty059

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Uggghhhh... You're all making me feel awful for not QTing at first! Is it possible for me remove the fish place them in QT and then add them back to the DT? Or is that typically frowned upon? As I said I have 9 fish now: 5 pajama cardinals, 2 clowns, 1 goby, 1 blenny. Would they all fit in a 60 gallon hex?
 
meowzer

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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/381993/my-150g/40#post_3331719
Uggghhhh... You're all making me feel awful for not QTing at first! Is it possible for me remove the fish place them in QT and then add them back to the DT? Or is that typically frowned upon? As I said I have 9 fish now: 5 pajama cardinals, 2 clowns, 1 goby, 1 blenny. Would they all fit in a 60 gallon hex?
SPARTY...that makes no sense...once a fish is in the dt...qting is no longer needed....IF...and I say IF it had something it is already introduced to the dt....
just qt new additions, and you won;t have an issue (maybe)
Nothing is 100%
 
sparty059

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Does anyone have any good suggestions for helping a cardinal find his group? I placed them in individually and four of them swam to the left, and one missed the memo and swam to the right. It seems like the four are looking for him and the other is behind some rocks peaking out probably wondering what happened to his friends! I'm assuming when they all get used to the tank and swim around more they'll find each other, but I wasn't sure if there was a way to get them to find each other faster.
 
J

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Joe,
Wouldnt a nice bunch of GFO or a sump with a huge amount of cheato or a turf scrubber be a good answer to the GHA issue without having to remove the rocks, bleach them and ruin anything beneficial that might be on/in the rocks?
The reason I say this is I had a GHA problem that was similar, maybe even a bit worse than Sparty's. I added a turf scrubber, it took about 2 months, but I havn't seen a thread of algae in my tank for the last 3 months or so.
All I'm saying is it just seems like alot of work and killing off bacteria to remove the rock from the system and bleach it.
 
monsinour

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I sure wish there was a thread that someone could point me to that describes what this turf scrubber is and how it works and how to make one and all that jazz. My local club is going to talk about it in January, but I would like to be prepared to ask many questions there and here.
 
J

jstdv8

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by January you could be rolling high with no hair in your tank man! you could be the one giving the presentation :)
Seriously though, algaescrubber.net has everything you could possibly want to know about them.
If you have any other questions there is a crazy long post on here somehwere about them as well.
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/forum/thread/330606/mega-powerful-nitrate-and-phosphate-remover-replaces-skimmer-refugium-everything
IMO SantaMonica is a little over the top in his "marketing" if thats what you want to call it when someone gives the blueprints away for a DIY project.
But he has loads of information and I've found most of it to be very useful.
he's the one who runs the site too.
basically took a designed product that was used in the 80's that failed due to no way of cleaning it and made a friendly version tank sized.
Also, since that link was started he has learned alot just from input and changing things up, so you can make them a little nicer than that firs one he posted in the bucket, allthough that one works just fine, just not real pretty.
 
2quills

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I've been reading up on alot of the success that folks are having with them. I may skip on the chaeto and try out a scrubber. I'll have to see if I can locate it again but there was another great write up done over on another site with some great information and time laps shots of the tank once the scrubber was introduced.
 
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jstdv8

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its at the very end (page 65 ) of the link I just posted.
he hasn't done a water change on that system since 2008
Not saying thats a good idea,l but its interesting.
I fought off my GHA problem after about 2 months
I still do 10% water changes a week weather I need it or not though.
 
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