NASCAR Fantasy League 2010

aquaknight

aquaknight

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Bump... Sorry forgot to do it in time, busy watching the worthless Bama game that was PPV
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Hotlanta this week. Caught the end of the Nationwide race. Congrats Jamie! Do it again tomorrow!
 
kjr_trig

kjr_trig

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We have a new overall leader, Stdreb right?...Looks like it will be really close all the way to the end this year....Seems like by this time last year Spidey and yours truly had kind of separated from the pack a little.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Yea, when you get waxed by 120 points (Ruben's 323 to my 208), anyone won't be the leader for long
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Very close racing though, very enjoyable, if a little frustrating at times
 
stdreb27

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Gloating post.
 
 
lol, wow, I am in the lead! I missed the race this weekend. So I didn't even know who won!
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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And like that, points swing bad the other way. Boy it's close.
 
Congrats Jim Bob, you won the Summer segment and took the overall points lead in the same weekend.
 
bionicarm

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OK you NASCAR experts. Someone please explain to me how this Chase for Cup points system works. All season, I see this Top 12 list of drivers, and how many points they've collected to get into the Chase. Harvick has been leading most of the season, and still has the most points to retain his Number 1 position. HOWEVER, I read an article in my local paper this morning how Hamlin has grabbed the Chase Number 1 seed due to his win last night. He supposedly leap-frogged Johnson, whose now the number two spot. So if you look at the Sprint Cup Points table, you see the list as:
 
1. Harvick
2. Kyle Busch
3. Gordon
4. Edwards
5. Johnson
6. Stewart
7. Burton
8. Kennseth
9. Hamlin
10. Kurt Busch
11. Bowyer
12. Biffle
 
But now, the Chase for Cup list has these drivers as:
 
1. Hamlin
2. Johnson
3. Harvick
4. Kyle Busch
5. Kurt Busch
6. Stewart
7. Biffle
8. Gordon
9. Edwards
10. Burton
11. Kennseth
12. Bowyer
 
Is the final standings for the actual Chase based on points earned during the season, or the number of wins a racer has received during that season. How did Hamlin go from 9th in the points standings, to 1st in points in the actual Chase? I thought they just froze the standings after the last race before the Chase began, and reassigned Chase Points based on those standings. So what's the point in being the Number 1 Seed during the first part of the race season, if you're not going to be listed Number 1 once the Chase begins?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Getting into the chase is based on total points but once in bonus points are awarded so not everyone starts out at zero. The idea is to make it harder for a winless driver to win the championship.
 
bionicarm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/373332/nascar-fantasy-league-2010/240#post_3308588
Getting into the chase is based on total points but once in bonus points are awarded so not everyone starts out at zero. The idea is to make it harder for a winless driver to win the championship.
I knew they awarded the bonus points, but I didn't know what it was based on. I still thought that your position in the regular points standing gave you some edge once the Chase began. I haven't looked at the number of wins for each driver, so I don't know how the 'jumps' occurred.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/373332/nascar-fantasy-league-2010/240#post_3308601
I knew they awarded the bonus points, but I didn't know what it was based on. I still thought that your position in the regular points standing gave you some edge once the Chase began. I haven't looked at the number of wins for each driver, so I don't know how the 'jumps' occurred.
I believe the way it works is once the chase starts they reset everyone's points then apply the bonus points so whoever makes the chase with the most wins during the season starts out with the most points.
 
aquaknight

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At the end of the regular season, the top 12 drivers have their points manually set to 5000 (just an arbitrary number the 13th place guy could never catch). Drivers are then awarded 10 bonus points for each race they won. So Denny Hamlin won 6 races, and as of right now, as a leading points total of 5060 points. Jimmie Johnson won 5 races and has 5050 points, both Harvick and Kurt Busch won 3 races and they both have 5030 points. Harvick is 'listed' 3rd and Busch 4th, just cause NASCAR doesn't like ties, but in reality they are tied. Jeff Gordon in 8th, through Bowyer in 12th have 5000 points, as those 5 drivers haven't won a race.
 
 
You are correct, to spite Harvick leading for most of the regular season, theres no bonus for it. One could make the argument that after a certain point, Harvick knew he was "locked in" and could try for the win, instead of just a strong finish, for more bonus points.
 
The Chase was implemented following Matt Kenseth's 2003 championship, where he won only one race, and had built up a such lead with just strong finished, not wins. It also made the latter races of the season absolutely worthless, as Matt had the championship locked up, and it severely hurt TV ratings and ticket sales.
 
stdreb27

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well like he said. They rank them based on wins. But I thought they tare them to 5000 or whatever, then 1-12 are separated by how they finished. so first place would have 5120 and 12th 5000 then they had on 10 bonus points based on wins? Number's not being accurate. Just an example.
 
bionicarm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/373332/nascar-fantasy-league-2010/240#post_3308769
well like he said. They rank them based on wins. But I thought they tare them to 5000 or whatever, then 1-12 are separated by how they finished. so first place would have 5120 and 12th 5000 then they had on 10 bonus points based on wins? Number's not being accurate. Just an example.
That's what I thought. i thought they gave the guy who ended up 1st in the points an extra 100 points for the Chase for being the points leader. After that, they awarded bonus points for the number of wins.
 
After watching this series after this Chase format started, I don't believe I've seen any dramatic changes to the ending of the season. If I recall, Johnson has won the Chase the last four years WAY before the last race finished up. Didn't he have to finish worse than somewhere in the 30's in last year's final race before anyone even had a chance to overtake him. Granted, he could've wrecked or had mechanical problems, but it wasn't the exciting ending NASCAR has been hoping for with this Chase format.
 
stdreb27

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They tweeked it a couple years ago to put more weight on wins. And personally, I don't think it has helped the competition much. Jimmy has been running away with it every year.
 
kjr_trig

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Personally I think the chase is ridiculous, but I also think the Fed Ex Cup on the PGA Tour is stupid too. Ex. Charley Hoffman win's 1 of the final events, now going into the Tour Championship he is 3rd in the Fed Ex Cup, while he is 27th on the money list.
 
Jim Bob Cooter in first in the fantasy race, not bad considering I think I was 7 all Spring. Wish I hadn't changed AJ "The Dinger" to Menard right before the race though.
 
reefraff

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Problem is they have such a long season that someone who is consistent and gets a top 5 finish week in and week out is going to rack up a whole lot of points. That to me is a sign of a real champion but also can be really boring.
 
I think it would be interesting to split the "regular" season into two parts and have a first half winner and a second half winner. At the end of the second half combine both season's points and award the winner of each half like 50 bonus points then start the chase with all drivers eligable for the championship. By shortening the seasons it's less likely someone is going to get the most points without winning some races. Unless someone were too win both halves it's pretty unlikely anyone would have it in the bag going into the chase.
 
bionicarm

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I see why NASCAR went to this Chase format, but in the long run it defeats the purpose of gaining viewership at the end. Instead of your fan base for all 45 drivers, you're now down to to 12. Why would a fan of Mark Martin or 'Junior Nation' want to watch the end of the season when their driver has no chance of winning the Cup? I read an article the other day on the impact Junior has on NASCAR viewership. They likened him to Tiger Woods and this FedEx 'Chase' the PGA is having. Who wants to watch a golf match with a bunch of 20-something unknowns playing for the title? Junior is driving like Tiger Woods is playing golf -- both have sub-par performances this year. But in the long run, they both bring viewership to the events, which essentially is what pays the bills.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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What hurts NASCAR is that FOX doesn't cover the whole season. That and their season is too dang long. Leave em wanting more, not pushing back from the Table going ugg I ate to much. And that is how I feel about nascar. Although I like the texas race because I get to go. I don't think they need to double up on any of the tracks, (besides bristol, dega, and daytona). One trip around would make much more sense.
 
kjr_trig

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Quote:
Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/373332/nascar-fantasy-league-2010/240#post_3308852
What hurts NASCAR is that FOX doesn't cover the whole season. That and their season is too dang long. Leave em wanting more, not pushing back from the Table going ugg I ate to much. And that is how I feel about nascar. Although I like the texas race because I get to go. I don't think they need to double up on any of the tracks, (besides bristol, dega, and daytona). One trip around would make much more sense.
Sure, as long as they keep 2 here in Phoenix.
 
aquaknight

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Well, part of the problem, is come October, into November, there really isn't many tracks warm enough to go racing, besides your Phoenix's, Homestead's, etc... They could go out to California I suppose, but having a Chase race with only 60,000 in attendance, and the stands 1/3 full, would look disappointing...
 
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