NCAA looking to hand down the 'Death Penalty' to USC

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3277772
They are probably going to Make USC Forfeit all its games Bush played in through 04-05 including the National Championship. They may take away the Championship trophy. They may also strip Bush of his Heisman.
The NCAA is also allowing any Srs and Jrs to Transfer this year without sitting but not within the Pac-10.
Haven't heard anything solid on the championship yet. I'd rather see them strip the Heisman and leave the championship but I assume it will be just the oposite.

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3277772
The NCAA is also allowing any Srs and Jrs to Transfer this year without sitting but not within the Pac-10.
Most of these guys are West Coast guys and were recruited by other Pac 10 schools and have West Coast ties. Steve Sarkisian certainly has ties to a lot of these guys, I suppose it's fair though....Annoying, but fair.
Mitch Mustain will transfer for sure, any school looking for a QB for one year should be looking at him. One of the top QB's in the country for sure, just happens to be sitting behind Matt Barclay.

 

[crypt keeper]

Personally I think its a bunch of BS. Regardless of what happened off the field its not like Bush Took any steriods that helped him on it. That team was the by far the best team in all the land. If they take his trophy and the BCS Trophy away i wont watch another NCAA game. Its pure crap.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3277792
Personally I think its a bunch of BS. Regardless of what happened off the field its not like Bush Took any steriods that helped him on it. That team was the by far the best team in all the land. If they take his trophy and the BCS Trophy away i wont watch another NCAA game. Its pure crap.
It's about sending a message. Unfortunatly USC is a victim of the NCAA's lax enforcement lately. They need to look butch. I've been an SC fan for more than 40 years and while I don't like the penalties I understand why they have to do it. I just don't know about vacating wins due to a single player, no matter how good he is. If they want a bowl ban fine, cut scholorships, OK. Not sure about recruitment restrictions, that seems kinda bunk too. If you are in a bowl ban and limited scholorships and can still put together a program people are willing to play for why have additional roadblocks.

 

[reefraff]

Wow. Nebraska just announced they are joining the Big 10. Does that mean they are now the Big 12 and the Big 12 is the Big 10

I guess the Big 12 as we know it is history

 

[crypt keeper]

Nebraska and Colorado are both gone. Thats what started the demise. UT TT OU and OSU are all expected to get Pac 10 invites this weekend. Big 12 is done.

 

[kjr_trig]

What do you think of....."The Pac South West 16 Conference"? Has a nice ring to it huh? For short, the "P S W Conference".

 

[crypt keeper]

If the Pac 10 gets these schools it will be the best conference by far. I would love too see what original Pac 10 team actually wins now besides USC. IMO This only hurts the conference unless they split it up and then have a championship game at the end. Its the only way. Going Undefeated in that conference may be impossible now. Meanwhile the SEC stays the same and the BIG 10 gets a little tougher. If this doesnt start a playoff then this is BS. You have 1 super conference, Then the SEC and big 10 then everybody else that nobody cares about. The ACC and Big east are a joke.

 

[stdreb27]

I wonder what that means to Jerryland's deal to host the big 12 championship....

 

[bionicarm]

I honestly haven't paid attention as to what teams belong to which conference outside of the Big 12 (I'm in Texas, what's the point of looking at the other conferences until Bowl time?) So which teams are in the PAC-10, Big-10, and SEC?
The headline in today's front page is stating that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahona State would join Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona State to form a new PAC-10 South Division. Texas A&M is still debating on whether to join this group, or move to the SEC. This will leave Baylor, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State in the Big 12. The Commissioner of the Big 12 still has pipe dreams of keeping 10 teams in his conference. The only way I see that happening is recruiting some of the Tier-2 teams from lower divisions like the Southland Conference or Conference USA to play in the Big 12 (SMU, U of H, Rice, Tulsa, Tulane, etc.). But all that will do is make the Big 12 a powderpuff conference for the others to beat around.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3277926
I honestly haven't paid attention as to what teams belong to which conference outside of the Big 12 (I'm in Texas, what's the point of looking at the other conferences until Bowl time?) So which teams are in the PAC-10, Big-10, and SEC?
The headline in today's front page is stating that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahona State would join Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona State to form a new PAC-10 South Division. Texas A&M is still debating on whether to join this group, or move to the SEC. This will leave Baylor, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State in the Big 12. The Commissioner of the Big 12 still has pipe dreams of keeping 10 teams in his conference. The only way I see that happening is recruiting some of the Tier-2 teams from lower divisions like the Southland Conference or Conference USA to play in the Big 12 (SMU, U of H, Rice, Tulsa, Tulane, etc.). But all that will do is make the Big 12 a powderpuff conference for the others to beat around.
A&M needs to stay with the other texas teams...
If you got SMU Tulsa, UofH, TCU you would have the potential of being a Mountain West style division, not auto BCS bid, but aught to get a couple teams ranked every year... Lets face it, Tulsa, TCU and U 0f H has done more in the last 5 years than A&M, and Baylor...
But instead of the big 12 they should call it the Median 12 or pedestrian 12. Or somehting like that...

 

[crypt keeper]

Mizzou, Kansas, KSU and Iowa State should join the Big 10. Thats where they belong personally now this is happening. Texas A&M in the SEC is a joke. That conference would make them their homecoming game every year. The SEC is the best Division in all of College football. I believe They have more National Championships this decade the the rest of the country combined. You have Florida Twice. Alabama. LSU twice.
Now for the Pac-10 moving forward. As a colleges football fan this gonna suck. I live on the East Coast. We dont get too much Pac-10 football unless its primetime ESPN. I still dont fully understand why this happened. Nebraska hasnt really been a power team for the past 7 years or so nor has CU. They leave and the entire conference falls apart? Why?

 

[mantisman51]

The SEC and Big 10 control the NCAA and have always favored those 2 conferences. The Pac10 has challenged the dominance of the fav 2 of the NCAA, so they had to take out the biggest and the best of the Pac10 to try and give the 2 dinosaur conferences their day in the sun again. All the big schools are paying, or have alumni paying the athletes or get them sweet jobs that pay far above average pay scale. This is the Eastern old guard taking out the competition to revive the rust belt and the sun belt-nothing else to it.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3277914
If the Pac 10 gets these schools it will be the best conference by far. I would love too see what original Pac 10 team actually wins now besides USC. IMO This only hurts the conference unless they split it up and then have a championship game at the end. Its the only way. Going Undefeated in that conference may be impossible now. Meanwhile the SEC stays the same and the BIG 10 gets a little tougher. If this doesnt start a playoff then this is BS. You have 1 super conference, Then the SEC and big 10 then everybody else that nobody cares about. The ACC and Big east are a joke.
The whole reason behind expanding the PAC and Big 10 is to have a conference championship game. Sets up one of the best regional conference championship games in the nation. Throw the Arizona schools in with Texahoma and its west coast vs. Cowboy states. Sounds really entertaining.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3277933
The SEC and Big 10 control the NCAA and have always favored those 2 conferences. The Pac10 has challenged the dominance of the fav 2 of the NCAA, so they had to take out the biggest and the best of the Pac10 to try and give the 2 dinosaur conferences their day in the sun again. All the big schools are paying, or have alumni paying the athletes or get them sweet jobs that pay far above average pay scale. This is the Eastern old guard taking out the competition to revive the rust belt and the sun belt-nothing else to it.
Yeah, The SEC front loads their schedules with door mat OOC games every year to pad their stats. NCAA needs to come up with a standard for the non conference games. Also allowing teams like Florida to consistantly set up their schedule for 4 away games a year is a joke too.

 

[crypt keeper]

The SEC has its two divisions just like the PAC 10 will have. You think Texas is gonna line up Oregon and USC the same year year after year. Hell no. What Florida does is very smart. The NCAA allows d1 to play d1aa schools and those wins count towards bowl eligibility. Now ya think Michigan Bringing in power house App State backfired a little a few years ago? I do. Florida pays teams tos how up and play them at home. Its not like the NCAA allows it. Florida goes out and says hey come play us at the Swamp and we will give you x amount of dollars. This gives the other team big time playing experience in a place that sells out game after game. I have no issues with them running with that. They pull it off. The SEC itself is the best division in football. End of Story. You cant argue against it. They have beat everybody else in the national championship games.
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3277943
Yeah, The SEC front loads their schedules with door mat OOC games every year to pad their stats. NCAA needs to come up with a standard for the non conference games. Also allowing teams like Florida to consistantly set up their schedule for 4 away games a year is a joke too.

 

[crypt keeper]

I understand why they are doing it. I dont understand why the Big 12 ripped itself apart after two subpar teams leaving. Nebraska was decent at best till last year. The big 10 move was good for them. Texas and OU IMO shot themselves in the foot by leaving. They will have to play each other. Now USC Oregon and Oregon State. Washington is sitting pretty with that QB and new Head Coach. The big 12 was fine without Colorado and Nebraska.
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3277941
The whole reason behind expanding the PAC and Big 10 is to have a conference championship game. Sets up one of the best regional conference championship games in the nation. Throw the Arizona schools in with Texahoma and its west coast vs. Cowboy states. Sounds really entertaining.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3277947
The SEC has its two divisions just like the PAC 10 will have. You think Texas is gonna line up Oregon and USC the same year year after year. Hell no. What Florida does is very smart. The NCAA allows d1 to play d1aa schools and those wins count towards bowl eligibility. Now ya think Michigan Bringing in power house App State backfired a little a few years ago? I do. Florida pays teams tos how up and play them at home. Its not like the NCAA allows it. Florida goes out and says hey come play us at the Swamp and we will give you x amount of dollars. This gives the other team big time playing experience in a place that sells out game after game. I have no issues with them running with that. They pull it off. The SEC itself is the best division in football. End of Story. You cant argue against it. They have beat everybody else in the national championship games.
Like I said, when Florida only plays 4 away games, and sets up 3 OOC games against cream puffs it might make them the smartest but not the best. When your slug teams that wont win more than 2 conference games a year uses AA teams to pick up 3 or 4 extra wins a year it might make your division the smartest but not the strongest. All those cheap wins play a major role in the rankings. Why do you think its the SEC that makes the most noise against a playoff system? If they play at such a high level they should welcome a playoff system so they can prove it on the field.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3277947
The SEC has its two divisions just like the PAC 10 will have. You think Texas is gonna line up Oregon and USC the same year year after year. Hell no. What Florida does is very smart. The NCAA allows d1 to play d1aa schools and those wins count towards bowl eligibility. Now ya think Michigan Bringing in power house App State backfired a little a few years ago? I do. Florida pays teams tos how up and play them at home. Its not like the NCAA allows it. Florida goes out and says hey come play us at the Swamp and we will give you x amount of dollars. This gives the other team big time playing experience in a place that sells out game after game. I have no issues with them running with that. They pull it off. The SEC itself is the best division in football. End of Story. You cant argue against it. They have beat everybody else in the national championship games.
you gotta keep in mind those D1AA games that texas plays and stuff, really help those small schools. (coming from a small school) they try to line up 1 or 2 of those a year for the millions in payout they get. That is what funds those smaller schools athletic programs... If you cut them off, you'll hurt the little guys where they still play for the love of the game, and not for the adoration of 100k fans every week....

 

[crypt keeper]

Look the SEC still has its two divisions. They still have to play Georgia LSU Auburn Ole Miss Tennesse. Then the SEC Championship game to go undefeated or with 1 loss to play in the national Championship or a BCS Bowl Game. Something the SEC has done a lot lately. Those are far from Powder Puffs. Every school plays a no name sorry school. Texas plays Rice Florida Atlantic. Baylor. These schools are pure Junk. They all do it. Why not? Why would you load your schedule up with Ohio State Texas USC Penn State then play a SEC schedule. That would be murder.
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3277951
Like I said, when Florida only plays 4 away games, and sets up 3 OOC games against cream puffs it might make them the smartest but not the best. When your slug teams that wont win more than 2 conference games a year uses AA teams to pick up 3 or 4 extra wins a year it might make your division the smartest but not the strongest. All those cheap wins play a major role in the rankings. Why do you think its the SEC that makes the most noise against a playoff system? If they play at such a high level they should welcome a playoff system so they can prove it on the field.