New 45 Gallon Tank what to do?!

[mckevinfang]

Originally Posted by bpro32
http:///forum/post/2539104
Even after you stock your tank you will never have a final list. When you run out of room in one tank you start thinking about buying another one. I am in a similar situation with a 60g I'm about to start cycling. I am looking at a dwarf zebra or fu man chu lion, SFE, maroon clown and valentini puffer. I have also given some thought to getting a niger trigger, foxface, flame angel, or just going with damsels. My stock list has changed countless times in the 2 months of planning this tank.
no im pretty set on this size tank and dont plan on upgrading until i get my own place maybe in 5 years or so.. but i just want a couple cool fish that people can awww

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Originally Posted by RCreations
http:///forum/post/2539144
The way I made my HOB Fuge was to use the largest Aquaclear filter. Then I took out all the pads and stuff from the HOB container and replaced them with live rock rubble and some chaeto. I keep the cover off and attached a clip on light to it. Works great! Even with 2 lions my nitrates are below 20.
The AquaC Remora I got was the middle one, I forgot the name. It was $150.
thats a great idea i have Aquaclear filter hanging around its for a 75 gal so just crush some of my LR and and in some chaeto how much rubble and chaeto do i need and where do i get the light fixture with the correct amount of light for the fuge? can you post pics!! ill definetly look into the AquaC Remora! Thanks

Originally Posted by ccampbell57
http:///forum/post/2539175
If I were you, I would get a flame angel, or a Golden Angel, or a Midnight angel, or a potters angel.
I would also add in 3-4 blue reef chromis and finally get a wart frogfish.
i love the idea can you give me some more information on the golden, midnight and potter angel SWF.com doesnt give any info i love the look of the potter awesome

ill definetly save up for a show wart frogfish love the look any info on this fish? thanks this list look great im pretty much set on this list thanks CCampbell57.

stock list:
- dwarf angle (midnight, golden or potter)
- 4 blue chromis ( can i get 6 extra small ones and school them?)
- wart frogfish
questions ok so before i set it up any other specifics i need to start it up? any other suggestions or advice are welcomed thanks guys

 

[crashbandicoot]

Just follow the course and dont get to eager to add the fish . Make sure your cycle is complete . Take your time

 

[mckevinfang]

Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2539510
Just follow the course and dont get to eager to add the fish . Make sure your cycle is complete . Take your time
yeah i wont be adding any live stock till 4 weeks from now

question:
- what order do i add the fishes in?
- what clean up crew can i add in?
Ccampbell can you please answer the questions i asked before about the angels and frogfish thanks
all suggestions or advice are welcomed thanks

 

[ccampbell57]

The golden, potters, and midnight angels are very similar to each other as far as care is concerned. I would say the Potters angel is the least aggressive angel, but one of the harder angels to get to eat. The midnight angel will more than likely be the heardiest.
The golden is much rarer and IMO the best of the brood.
All of the angels require very good water conditions. I would make sure that your tank is fully cycled and you put 2-4 chromis in and they are doing very well before you plop in one of the angels.

 

[mckevinfang]

Originally Posted by ccampbell57
http:///forum/post/2540328
The golden, potters, and midnight angels are very similar to each other as far as care is concerned. I would say the Potters angel is the least aggressive angel, but one of the harder angels to get to eat. The midnight angel will more than likely be the heardiest.
The golden is much rarer and IMO the best of the brood.
All of the angels require very good water conditions. I would make sure that your tank is fully cycled and you put 2-4 chromis in and they are doing very well before you plop in one of the angels.

so did some research it says that they are rare and that the golden cannot be QT and dont get along with aggressive fish. will it get a long with the frogfish? is there a chance the frogfish would eat it?
would a seaclone 100 be a good enough skimmer?
i plan to make the fuge that Rcreation was talking about and i have the fuval and a powerhead filter is this good enough or do i need more things to successfully operate the tank with these rare fish?
Rcreation can you post pics and let me know how much LR rubble and cheato to add in thanks

 

[rcreations]

Sorry I can't post pics, my camera has been acting up lately. But what you do is take out all the filters from the Aquaclear container, then put about 2" of live rock rubble, then the rest chaeto. The chaeto grows pretty fast so once a week I trim it down.

 

[mckevinfang]

Originally Posted by RCreations
http:///forum/post/2540830
Sorry I can't post pics, my camera has been acting up lately. But what you do is take out all the filters from the Aquaclear container, then put about 2" of live rock rubble, then the rest chaeto. The chaeto grows pretty fast so once a week I trim it down.
thanks a bunch im going to try to set that up as soon as i get the tank up and running!!
Can anyone answer my previous question? that would be great!!

 

[mckevinfang]

will the golden angel get a long with the frogfish? is there a chance the frogfish would eat it?
would a seaclone 100 be a good enough skimmer?
i plan to make the fuge that Rcreation was talking about and i have the fuval 204 and a powerhead filter is this good enough or do i need more things to successfully operate the tank with these rare fish?
any suggestions or help are welcomed thanks

 

[mckevinfang]

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[hammerhed7]

A frogfish tank would be cool, but it should be a species only tank, they will try to anything. Their mouths are very large, and they can swallow fish nearly their own size and sometimes try to swallow fish larger than themselves, resulting in two dead fish.

 

[mckevinfang]

Originally Posted by Hammerhed7
http:///forum/post/2543618
A frogfish tank would be cool, but it should be a species only tank, they will try to anything. Their mouths are very large, and they can swallow fish nearly their own size and sometimes try to swallow fish larger than themselves, resulting in two dead fish.
Ccampbell can you confirm this you told me i should get the wart frogfish, golden angel and some chromis will i end up with only 1 fish down the road or possibly no fish?

the wart and the golden are both rare beautiful fish both up to $150.00 per fish i dont want to lose one or possibly both.

any other hardware or equipment i need to buy before i start it up?

 

[ccampbell57]

The frogfish that I am thinking of are small like 3-4 inches. There is a potential for them to eat other fish, but the golden angel would be more of a risk to the frogfish.
I would say you will never know till you try. They said I couldnt have more than 1 large angel together and I have 3 of the most aggressive for years now.

 

[mckevinfang]

Originally Posted by ccampbell57
http:///forum/post/2543716
The frogfish that I am thinking of are small like 3-4 inches. There is a potential for them to eat other fish, but the golden angel would be more of a risk to the frogfish.
I would say you will never know till you try. They said I couldnt have more than 1 large angel together and I have 3 of the most aggressive for years now.
thanks for the super quick response

ok just dont want to see my $ go to waste but ill give it a try so ill first put in 4-5 chromis in then which one? the wart or the golden?
and do i still need any equipment or hardware for the tank? thanks

 

[ccampbell57]

I would put in the chromis first, and then add in the wart frogfish. You will know very soon what would survive if the chromis are getting eaten.
I thought my puffer would be ok with a school of 6 chromis because all he ate was krill. Well everyday for 6 days, I was one chromis short.
Keep the chromis and the frogfish together for a month or two and if it all works out, you are golden (pardon the pun) to put the angel in.
As for the equipment, I would put everything in that you wanted to initially put in. The more the better.

 

[mckevinfang]

Originally Posted by ccampbell57
http:///forum/post/2543771
I would put in the chromis first, and then add in the wart frogfish. You will know very soon what would survive if the chromis are getting eaten.
I thought my puffer would be ok with a school of 6 chromis because all he ate was krill. Well everyday for 6 days, I was one chromis short.
Keep the chromis and the frogfish together for a month or two and if it all works out, you are golden (pardon the pun) to put the angel in.
As for the equipment, I would put everything in that you wanted to initially put in. The more the better.
thanks for the excellent

advice i hope i can get it up and running soon!! hopefully this coming weekend my boss has me doing overtime at work and midterms is up so looks like ill have the tank up on saturday and ill post pictures of the process.
got a few more questions tho.. i cant seem to find much info on the wart frogfish what does it eat? whats the life expectancy? if anybody has kept one before and has additional information that would be great

 

[mckevinfang]

a few more questions
i cant seem to find much info on the wartskin frogfish what does it eat? whats the life expectancy? if anybody has kept one before and has additional information that would be great. and any additional information on the golden angel thanks

 

[crashbandicoot]

The frog fish is going to eat anything that is small enough to fit in its mouth . I think snails will be ok but fish ,shrimp and crabs are going to be toast . Shrimp krill and other meaty foods should be offered on a feeding stick

 

[mckevinfang]

Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2545083
The frog fish is going to eat anything that is small enough to fit in its mouth . I think snails will be ok but fish ,shrimp and crabs are going to be toast . Shrimp krill and other meaty foods should be offered on a feeding stick
thanks for the information!

my LFS can get a wartskin frogfish for me for $130.00 of course thats later down the line.
what about information on the golden angel? food? life span? will snails be ok?
any help is welcomed thanks

 

[crimzy]

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[mckevinfang]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2545446
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what??

any information on the golden angel? food? life span? will snails be ok?
any help is welcomed thanks