New airline security measures

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/20#post_3329997
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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/20#post_3329985
You racist! Your ignorance is showing!
My opinion is purely reflective of math. If 100% of the perpetrators terrorism on 9/11 share similar characteristics (and everyone else who's tried since then) law enforcement should be able to key in on said characteristics, whether it be they all wear one red shoe, or wipe their butts with their left hand and no paper...
To not do that would be well, irresponsible.
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Originally Posted by Monsignor http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/20#post_3329968
Dude, the red on your neck is showing.
I agree 100% with meowzer. If the pat down is for one person, then everyone should get patted down. You cant profile anyone and you shouldnt single out a single race, religion, or creed.
Racist, me? LOL maybe but then again maybe not. You on the other hand are a redneck and you are stuck in your backwater ways. Its now the 21st century, its time to open your mind.
You are describing profiling which is illegal and leads to bad things. Not all muslims are brown and wear towels on their heads. Besides, dont you want to believe that the government is responsible for 9/11? You have seen "loose change" right? If not, here is the link -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501 I am not saying they are right or wrong, just that they present interesting ideas.
I still say that if you do it to one person, you have to do it to everyone.
Profiling leading to bad things is kinda the point... I'm pretty sure law enforcement isn't looking for the good guys...
It is asinine to ignore blatant correlations and putting my life at risk under the under the guise of equality, and out of fear of offending a tiny minority demographic.
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Originally Posted by Scott T http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/20#post_3329991
What about Colombine, pearl, the Uni-Bomber, Charles Manson, KKK, the White Supremacy Group and all the senseless killing in this country, or all the things that are done to revolt against the Government here in the USA are all these People Muslim too. Don't get my wrong here, they people who are responsible for 9/11 and one who thrive for terrorism should be dealt with accordingly but you can not class all the Muslim people the same or for that matter people from the middle east because they do not all think the same.. If we should class all people like that the same then we should take on the thought of Mr. Charles Murray who thinks that all people with an IQ of under 80 should be dealt with much in the same way as Hitler thought about the Jews, March them to their death. He states " that people who have an IQ of 80 or below should not be able to procreate because if we let this happen then this world will be over run by a bunch or Retards!!" and that is just absurd!!
If half breed mexican americans were responsible for every major attack on this country for the last 10 years, I would have no problem subjecting myself to further scrutiny. It is just like looking for a make and model of car, checking out service trucks driving though the neighborhood outside of business hours, pulling over the 60k dollar car in the ghetto. Or pulling over the group of crotch rockets because most likely they'll be going 100 MPH down some freeway...
 
scott t

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Guess maybe I am not as closed minded because I am from the North because that sure is a classification also.. So, in other words you would agree with Mr. Murray and Also Mr. Hitler because he had the world believing that the Jews were the roots of all evils that Plagued the world.. Hey the United States was one of the biggest countries that even made Jews out to be the bad guys. Jews in America we shunned, they lost their jobs, were denied services, and treated like they were the plague of the world. Oh, and lets not for get all the Asian people that were put into camps in the USA after the bombing of Pearl Harbor because they were classed with the Japanese even if they were not. Even after that our country out sourced many things to Asian countries and most of the stuff that we purchase here in the states is made there. You can not class all the people of a certain culture the same, or maybe if you are narrow minded then you can. Oh, Let me not forget Puerto Rico a territory that The USA owns where they can not vote in an election for a President but they have to follow the rules of our country, why can they not be made a state. Hmm the list can go on and on.. OR the women of this country that have contributed much that have only had the right afforded to the under the Constitution of the United States for a very short time, that still are not afforded all the rights that they are entitled to..
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Scott T http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330019
Guess maybe I am not as closed minded because I am from the North because that sure is a classification also.. So, in other words you would agree with Mr. Murray and Also Mr. Hitler because he had the world believing that the Jews were the roots of all evils that Plagued the world.. Hey the United States was one of the biggest countries that even made Jews out to be the bad guys. Jews in America we shunned, they lost their jobs, were denied services, and treated like they were the plague of the world. Oh, and lets not for get all the Asian people that were put into camps in the USA after the bombing of Pearl Harbor because they were classed with the Japanese even if they were not. Even after that our country out sourced many things to Asian countries and most of the stuff that we purchase here in the states is made there. You can not class all the people of a certain culture the same, or maybe if you are narrow minded then you can. Oh, Let me not forget Puerto Rico a territory that The USA owns where they can not vote in an election for a President but they have to follow the rules of our country, why can they not be made a state. Hmm the list can go on and on.. OR the women of this country that have contributed much that have only had the right afforded to the under the Constitution of the United States for a very short time, that still are not afforded all the rights that they are entitled to..
Which part of "they are exempting Muslim's from the pat down" are you missing? Since 9/11...which classification/group of people have done the majority of terrorist actions or attempts in this country? After Pearl Harbor, we specifically watched Japanese Americans...during the FBi's fight against the KKK they specifically watched watched White People. Because of the Unibmber, the FBI specifically watches for diusgruntled ex military right wing extremists.
You are obviously not well educated on much of what you are complaining about. Puerto Rico can not vote for President becuse they are not a state. Why are they not a state? Because the majority of the people in Puerto Rico do not want to be. All the have to do is petition and vote to be made a state as a colony. But the Puerto Rican Populace does not desire this. Stop looking for Racism when there is none. And what Rights are women missing out on? Last I checked they are afforded the same opportunities and option every red blooded male in this country has....Hell they even have the right to dictate whether the baby they are carrying lives or dies....No man has that right. Do me a favor, next time you discuss a topic, atleast know what you are discussing.
Maybe you should have refrained from interjecting your opinion after all. Especially since it is plainly clear that you are not versed on facts and circumstances at all.
Class Dismissed...now run along to your bus......
Darth (The Teacher) Tang
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Scott T http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330019
Guess maybe I am not as closed minded because I am from the North because that sure is a classification also.. So, in other words you would agree with Mr. Murray and Also Mr. Hitler because he had the world believing that the Jews were the roots of all evils that Plagued the world.. Hey the United States was one of the biggest countries that even made Jews out to be the bad guys. Jews in America we shunned, they lost their jobs, were denied services, and treated like they were the plague of the world. Oh, and lets not for get all the Asian people that were put into camps in the USA after the bombing of Pearl Harbor because they were classed with the Japanese even if they were not. Even after that our country out sourced many things to Asian countries and most of the stuff that we purchase here in the states is made there. You can not class all the people of a certain culture the same, or maybe if you are narrow minded then you can. Oh, Let me not forget Puerto Rico a territory that The USA owns where they can not vote in an election for a President but they have to follow the rules of our country, why can they not be made a state. Hmm the list can go on and on.. OR the women of this country that have contributed much that have only had the right afforded to the under the Constitution of the United States for a very short time, that still are not afforded all the rights that they are entitled to..
You're talking to some who's grandpa's dad faked his death, to change his name from Chan, so he could go to school...
(is enjoying the white people telling the minority that he's racist... While they use prejudices in attempts to describe me...)
 
cranberry

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We miss more work because woman typically are the ones who stay at home to take care of the kids when they are sick.
I never went out on maternity leave, I never call in sick.....
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330086
We miss more work because woman typically are the ones who stay at home to take care of the kids when they are sick.
And? This is an excuse...but doesn't change the fact Women on Average miss far more work than men...thus affecting the output, thus affecting their pay. If a person misses 25% more work than another person, should they earn the same salary as the individual that is at work 25% more? If a person is on leave during a time a promotion is available and needs filled, should the company promote the person on leave or promote a person at work and on hand to do the job?
How does your pay match up to the men in the exact same position?
 
cranberry

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Sorry, I can't join in the discussion anymore. The functional errors of this board is getting on my nerves.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/20#post_3329968
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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/20#post_3329906
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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/20#post_3329873
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/20#post_3329871
What amazes me is they would even consider making special exemptions for people from the culture that is the root cause for all these security measures.
Shouldn't matter where the person comes from.....the rules should stand for everyone
I disagree, they should be stricter with the people who caused the problems to begin with. I
Dude, the red on your neck is showing.
I agree 100% with meowzer. If the pat down is for one person, then everyone should get patted down. You cant profile anyone and you shouldnt single out a single race, religion, or creed.
However, I should be allowed to have aftershave with me on the damn plane. Gotta be able to smell nice after joining the mile high club.
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330086
We miss more work because woman typically are the ones who stay at home to take care of the kids when they are sick.
I never went out on maternity leave, I never call in sick.....
Yeah but you are super chick.
Mortal women do tend to take maternity leave or jump out of the job market all together while the kids are young then get back in once they start school. These so-called studies saying women are paid less than men typically don't look at time on the actual job, just years of experience. Also why would women expect to always be paid the same. Typical woman can't handle the amount of physical labor a typical man can. I am sure there is still a slight disparity but in most cases I'd bet it's for legitimate reasons.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330087
And I can't freaking EDIT.... I'm done.
yeah, their are some little things that drive me nuts, and the thing that makes it difficult is that it is intermittent.
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330088
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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330084
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(is enjoying the white people telling the minority that he's racist... While they use prejudices in attempts to describe me...)
I love this part...lol...Calling a mexican american, a redneck has to be some historical moment in our country's history.
Darth (Trailer Trash) Tang.
I prefer the term Born a Native Texican. To be used in full.
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330096
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330091
Sorry, I can't join in the discussion anymore. The functional errors of this board is getting on my nerves.
So it isn't just me LOL!
nope
 
gemmy

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330090
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330086
We miss more work because woman typically are the ones who stay at home to take care of the kids when they are sick.
And? This is an excuse...but doesn't change the fact Women on Average miss far more work than men...thus affecting the output, thus affecting their pay. If a person misses 25% more work than another person, should they earn the same salary as the individual that is at work 25% more? If a person is on leave during a time a promotion is available and needs filled, should the company promote the person on leave or promote a person at work and on hand to do the job?
How does your pay match up to the men in the exact same position?
An excuse, really? Why don't men offer up to help with the kids? Typically, they just do not want to be bothered. Now, I have never missed a day of work at any place I was employed at. I even showed up for work with a knee immobilizer on the day after I tore my ACL and I did not miss any work when I personally experienced a traumatic incident while on the job (all the guys I spoke to told me they would have quit on the spot if it were them). What did this get me? I was the lowest paid assistant manager in the district and I was overlooked for a promotion twice (and after the fact it was confirmed by my DM that it was gender biased). To top it off, the men in the same position as me typically missed more work or were absent on the job. Sometimes it is better to miss a day's work rather than show up absent on the job (I see many men do this). Is the output better when someone is absent on the job? I actually think they are stealing from the company when they are doing this. As for if a person is on leave when a promotion arises, I feel all facts need to be taken into consideration. Is the person on leave more qualified? Or is the other person going to just scrape by?
 
darthtang aw

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Cranberry, Here is a link to a story Supportting everything you are saying regarding pay, among Female CEOs. Read this, and then tell me when the describe the male or female to be compared in each corresponding category, they list a statistic for one, but they don't list it for the other. Read the story and tell me why would these points of information be left out at random?
http://financialedge.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0610/Are-Female-CEOs-Still-Underpaid.aspx
 
monsinour

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for all the crap about women getting the shaft at companies i call BS. Jenny Craig refused to promote a man into a VP position for several years. That guy sued the comany and won for sexual bias against men.
It works both ways and will never "fix" itself.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///forum/thread/381888/new-airline-security-measures/40#post_3330103
An excuse, really? Why don't men offer up to help with the kids? Typically, they just do not want to be bothered. Now, I have never missed a day of work at any place I was employed at. I even showed up for work with a knee immobilizer on the day after I tore my ACL and I did not miss any work when I personally experienced a traumatic incident while on the job (all the guys I spoke to told me they would have quit on the spot if it were them). What did this get me? I was the lowest paid assistant manager in the district and I was overlooked for a promotion twice (and after the fact it was confirmed by my DM that it was gender biased). To top it off, the men in the same position as me typically missed more work or were absent on the job. Sometimes it is better to miss a day's work rather than show up absent on the job (I see many men do this). Is the output better when someone is absent on the job? I actually think they are stealing from the company when they are doing this. As for if a person is on leave when a promotion arises, I feel all facts need to be taken into consideration. Is the person on leave more qualified? Or is the other person going to just scrape by?
Why don't men stay home? That is between the spouses. I don't know.
If what you say is true, You weren't overlooked for the promotion just based off Gender. Any smart person receiving an admittance from a DM that they were overlooked due to Gender would have filed a significant lawsuit. Why were you the lowest paid? You can dictate your initial pay scale/salary in negotiations. If you don't think the pay is adequate for the job you don't have to take it.
I had a female friend that was up for an assistant manager promotion in Home Depot. She was up against 2 other people within the company. She came to me for advise on how to handle the interview and negotiations of salary. (Owning 2 business the ASM's and Department heads often do this to get my viewpoint on things within the company) She was the most qualified out of the three. She knew her stuff.
I asked how much she thought she was worth. She told me. I told her her knowledge was worth about 40% more and to take no less. She got the position. Even got the pay scale a mere 2 grand a year less than I said she could get. The other two guys, asked for less and still didn't get the job. She was their first choice and would have given here the position for less than what she was worth had she not asked for more. Women on average are not aggressive when it comes to negotiating salary....
 
gemmy

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The admittance came after the fact. The DM had been fired from the company and I had moved on from the company. I know very well I could have had 2-3 lawsuits against this company, but I am not one to sue (you may call me dumb for this but it is just how I feel). I was young at the time and yes I could have negotiated a bit, but I was also under the impression in 6 months I would be eligible for a merit increase (the company did a freeze on all pay increases shortly after I was hired).
I have made up for my mistakes of the past. I am one of the highest paid people in my position. I did little negotiating, and got the pay increases that I deserved.
 
stdreb27

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In all seriousness, people aren't going to like people for some reason or another.
I've watched woman with no business even having a job get promoted over me, and watched them get extreme leeway, all because they played the sexism card every time something came up. And anyone who valued results over gender "equality" was public enemy number one for these woman. And watched them crash and burn.
I've watched guys with who didn't know their butt from their elbow get hired and promoted. And crash and burn too.
It is just part of life, If you walk though life expecting everything to be completely equal you're fool. Because everyone is different. Every situation is different, and no one is making you stay at company x y or z. If you feel like you've been harmed or wronged, decide am I making enough to put up with it. If the answer is no. then go out, even in today's crappy economy their are millions of other jobs to chose from... Let the idiots crash and burn, and if you can help light the match...
 
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