New Strains of Ich - Beware

florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3062467
Yup gottcha. What other parasites are there that would resemble in their appearance disappearance basic salted fish look on the fish, Ich?
Henry this is a copy of the post I submitted to Locoyo when he asked me the same question
There are crustaceamorpha .of which within the copepods there are 10,000 species worldwide 2000 parasitic species, 90 percent of these are marine, 20 percent of these are on fish and elasmobranches and that is just the copepod species. Now add all the other parasites in the ocean and their life cycles are we foolish to think the only white spot resulting from a parasite on our fish is ICK
 
deejeff442

deejeff442

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no ,it will go away on its own in a few weeks.
i put all the fish in copper almost 3 weeks ago now and the ich is well gone and the lymph is just about gone on the tusk .
i dont think there is anything for lympho except keeping the fish healthy and the water good.
the life cycle is around 3-4 weeks for lympho.
 
mantisman51

mantisman51

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I do think there is a new type of ******. I used hypo and it came back. I used formulin and it came back. I now am using Coppersafe and it has came back. Today is the ninth week of treatment and after raising the Coppersafe to a little over the recommended dosage (they recommend one tsp for 4 gallons-I am up to 1 1/2 tsp per 4 gallons), it came back at the beginning of the week-which is when I raised the dosage. It is clearly ******, but strangely enough it has only came back on my BH the last 4 weeks. I am at a loss. Thank God I have only lost my 6 line and the fish that brought it in, so far. I have kept fish for 23 years, sw fish for 3 and a half. This is ****** from h@ll. I wish there was a magic bullet.
 
mantisman51

mantisman51

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On the same thought: since none of the others have shown any signs for 5 weeks, would it be safe to give them a fw dip and put them back in the DT and just leave the BH in QT? I know that may seem crazy, but I would dearly love to get the rest back into their home and out of the copper soup.
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by deejeff442
http:///forum/post/3062479
no ,it will go away on its own in a few weeks.
i put all the fish in copper almost 3 weeks ago now and the ich is well gone and the lymph is just about gone on the tusk .
i dont think there is anything for lympho except keeping the fish healthy and the water good.
the life cycle is around 3-4 weeks for lympho.
I agree with the keeping your fish healthy...feeding good food, and also giving them vitamins during this helps too.....like (Selcon, Zoe, Zoecon)....I had lympho once, and a good diet and vitamins soaked food helped it to go away.
 
locoyo386

locoyo386

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3062023
Sure unless you have the education and equipment and I guess the desire to remove some of the parasites for examination. But most in the hobby do not so for the "standard" identification you see the spots, see the indication, you take the necessary steps.
Let me ask this, is there any real detriment to doing hypo on a fish that you think has ich, even if it isn't? And really is ich misidentified enough to even hesitate to do hypo if you think the fish has it?
I think that is part of the debate here. I see white spots on a fish, they look like, resemble ich. I will not know for sure if it is or not. One question I asked earlier that I have not gotton a answear to yet; Is hyposalinity 100% effective on Ich? If so than I can treat "what I think is Ich with hypo". Let's say 6 weeks later they are brought back to normal salinity levels. If the Ich "white spots are back" than would I conclude that hyposalinity does not work on some types of Ich or do I conclude that what I saw and still see on the fish as white spots is not Ich. I can't answear this question with certainty since Joe said that there are 350 parasites that look like Ich.
 
locoyo386

locoyo386

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3058080
That is amazing that Dr. Brian could tell so much about the "menacing organisms" just by looking at them under a microscope! WOW
He was able to determine:
That there was a new (and menacing) strain of ich.
That the new ich was one of the most viral and rapid developing. (viral? ich is a parasite, right? Maybe Dr. Brain meant virile?)
The "new" ich can and does wipe fish out in as little as 24 - 48 hours.
Quinine sulfate worked! And so, ******-Pro was developed! Linked to a place to buy it....
Quinine sulfate has been experimented with for treating fish diseases, including marine oodinium.
Nothing new there.
Take what your read at About.com with a grain of salt.
Very true, I do however think that aplies to everything you read.
 
locoyo386

locoyo386

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3058237
What I don’t understand is this new resistant strain of ick mutated from the over use of hypo.
Not necessarly as they are bodies of water that have low salinity and they are attached.
 
locoyo386

locoyo386

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3061998
I hope you are not talking about mewozer every post of hers is chock full of pertinent info
Not going to mention names, but if you read thru this hole thread and others, you will see some patterns.
 
locoyo386

locoyo386

Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3062023
Sure unless you have the education and equipment and I guess the desire to remove some of the parasites for examination. But most in the hobby do not so for the "standard" identification you see the spots, see the indication, you take the necessary steps.
Let me ask this, is there any real detriment to doing hypo on a fish that you think has ich, even if it isn't? And really is ich misidentified enough to even hesitate to do hypo if you think the fish has it?
The question os not wether to treat with hypo or not. The question comes after hypo, is it Ich or not?
 
locoyo386

locoyo386

Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3062478
Henry this is a copy of the post I submitted to Locoyo when he asked me the same question
There are crustaceamorpha .of which within the copepods there are 10,000 species worldwide 2000 parasitic species, 90 percent of these are marine, 20 percent of these are on fish and elasmobranches and that is just the copepod species. Now add all the other parasites in the ocean and their life cycles are we foolish to think the only white spot resulting from a parasite on our fish is ICK
Thus 360 parasites
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3064527
Not going to mention names, but if you read thru this hole thread and others, you will see some patterns.
Do you have a problem...cause if you do feel free to pm me and I am sure we can discuss this further.....
 
salt life

salt life

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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3064533
Do you have a problem...cause if you do feel free to pm me and I am sure we can discuss this further.....
both him and joe need to get of their high horses. IMO neither of you are helpful in any way ( what was the point of me giving you my email joe?), so if you think meowzers posts are irrelevent I'd love to hear what you call your posts. Shecontributes just as much as anyone else in a thread she posts so why you feel the need to be idiots and say something is confusing to me.
I'm sure the mods will dislike my post but your little insults are just fine.
 
sikpupy

sikpupy

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This is about the worthless thread I have ever seen. I think the mods need to just delete this rather than lock it.
 
scott t

scott t

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Well I New here, have been reading the threads for like almost a week now and think that ppl are happy with the advice that they have been given from the ppl that are here. Mods, other SWF hobbiest and such... I have just read thru the 4 pages of post on this subject and one interesting thing to me it that if you look back thru the peron who originally started this post only commented on the first page of it a few times.... I really wonder why that is. Has this Person nothing to say to substain his claims that someone has a new treatment for Ich or there are new strains that have mutated?? Have they no studieds to show that this Mystery Product does work?? Or can not show that this New Mystery Product even works?? I think this Person has nothing to back up his claim that is why they have not further contributed to this thread...I think this Mystery Person might just be trying to stir up a Hornests Nest which i think that he might have.... Maybe this person has a personal vandeta against one or many of the Mods on this sight and want to Discredit what they have accompished with the ppl that listen to them or maybe its just a scam and they are just trying to make a buck.... I have to say that yes this has been a worth while dicussion, but I really wonder if this MYSTERY PERSON will have or does have anthing else to add to this Thread. If not i think we can chalk this one up to a bunch of "BS" and just move on and keep Listening to the ppl that have given you "GOOD AND SOUND ADVICE THAT HAS WORKED". I am Greatfull that i have found SWF Fourms and have GOOD PEOPLE that are willing to help others who are learing the Hobby of SWF and not just making a claim that they can not Support.. KEEP UP THE GOOD AND FAITHFUL WORK MODS ON SWF.COM
 
oceandude

oceandude

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Is it also immune to a good old fashion fresh water dip? Why the sececrecy? Come on dude...share if you have something. I thought hobbyist were here to try to help. That's why I came...well that and to see the dancer ...lol j/k...
 
oceandude

oceandude

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Originally Posted by Scott T
http:///forum/post/3146873
.... Maybe this person has a personal vandeta against one or many of the Mods on this sight ........................
Interesting opinion, and could be true I suppose. I used to be admin on a board and I would simply ban the person if they did not abide by rules, or slander other members. IP addresses give it away if a poster tries to re-enter, It would be tedious work on a board this size...so IDK?
 
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