New way to cure ich?

nina&noah

Member
Originally Posted by Lesleybird
http:///forum/post/2538823
My outbreak of ich a couple of months ago went away with a high wattage UV filter with a very slow flow rate and my cleaner neon goby. The cleaner neon goby does a much better job than any cleaner shrimp that I ever had. I found that if the cleaner shrimp are well fed they get lazy and don't clean much, my goby cleans the fish all day long. Lesley
I've never heard of this fish. Does anyone else have one? I can't have a cleaner shrimp, because I have a wrasse. I can't have a cleaner wrasse because...well they die! I might be interested in this fish.
 

al mc

Active Member
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/2538986
I've never heard of this fish. Does anyone else have one? I can't have a cleaner shrimp, because I have a wrasse. I can't have a cleaner wrasse because...well they die! I might be interested in this fish.
I admit...I had to look up the name....Gobiosoma (Elacatinus) oceanops
 

fats71

Active Member
Ok, so here it is the miracle cure !!!!
I actually saw white spots drop off a fish last night was unreal. The down side is that a small bottle is about 50 bucks and thats for one treatment Hence me not buying any yet. I will however buy the smaller bottle for 35 bucks my LFS is having them make for them. it was so wild to see ich actually drop off after awhile of watching the tank. They would and used to remove everything from the tank sand etc when it had ich in it clean it etc however and whatevr the did now if thhey receive a fish with ich they use this stuff back in their QT cleanest place i have ever been into like you could eat off the floors. Anyway they use that on stressed fish and they come out smellin like a rose. Every fish I have bought from them has been perfectly healthy with no problems They say it is that product which they sell for cost no mark up.
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al mc

Active Member
Fats71...What are the ingredients? (I will admit my prejudice upfront that I am not a fan of bottled cures that I do not know what medications/chemicals are in them)
 

m0nk

Active Member
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/2538986
I've never heard of this fish. Does anyone else have one? I can't have a cleaner shrimp, because I have a wrasse. I can't have a cleaner wrasse because...well they die! I might be interested in this fish.
I had a neon goby, but, well, when I added coral into my DT last fall that had ich eggs (apparently, or maybe some ich transfered in the water), ich broke out and the neon goby didn't do enough to keep it from spreading, fast. It got ich and died when I was just starting to do hypo on the fish in QT.
Also, something to note on the UV sterilizer, it will effectively kill off any planktonic life that passes through it (which is how it helps kill free-floating ich), so IMO it's not the best idea in a reef tank, since that planktonic life basically feeds the reef. It is, however, a very good solution for a FOWLR tank.
 

timbodmb

Member
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1Journeyman

Read this post everyone... seems the mfgr has forged some of those claims on NSF's website... not promising.
 

timbodmb

Member
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Check out the website... read the testimonials. The link I provided earlier states that they had direct contact with the MFGR, however, they will not release any of the trial data to ensure it is safe/seccess rates etc.
Being that this has been a long standing problem, we obviously know to be a bit suspect when a new product comes onto the market.
 

timbodmb

Member
My letter to the MFGR-
"I'm a bit suspect. Many blogs state that they have had direct contact with the MFGR- No data to support claims other than testimonials. Is there data to support your claim? I won't even think about using your product on my tank until I know it is safe. Excuse me for being sceptical, however a $50 investment for a 10 yr hobby problem is a no brainer, however, the product does not come with insurance. Ich- Can you support your claims? Please convince me... Sincerely,
Tim"
I'll post if they get back to me... nothing like going right to the source!
 

1journeyman

Active Member
At the point where a company fraudulantly uses and expert's name to write up a false testimonial I tend to be very leery of anything else they ever say...
 

danieljames

Member
I had an ich outbreak a few months ago....upon which I was told to immediately hypo.....long story short I didn't...(no space/money at time)...I went to the grocery store, and bought some quality fresh seafood, made a mixture of homemade food with garlic, and continued to keep up on water changes.
I treated tank with kick-ich, kept water quality pristine...and fed garlic multiple times per week. almost 3 months later, no signs of ich, no infected fish, and everything is alive and thriving. I attribute this directly to the garlic treated food and the improvement of the immune system in my livestock. The kick-ich...could possibly have done nothing, I feel like garlic was more powerful (based on what i've read.)
I wouldn't say that ich is not still present in my tank though. I think theres a big difference between elimiminating ich completely (hypo or copper) and just providing a healthy environment where fish ward it off...
Hypo and copper are sure-fire ways of eliminating the parasite completely (no argument here) however, for the less experienced hobbyists with not as much room, money, or experience, I stand by garlic based on my experience. The garlic treatment allowed me the time to set up and cycle a QT....(which I have not used) and I fully agree that taking the time to QT new additions will save you in the long run....but Garlic is deffinatley my best friend in this hobby!
 
I have heard of this Garlic soaking method many times and have heard and read an abundance of success stories with eliminating ich from the host, although I am at a loss as to how one goes about "soaking" anything in garlic? Is garlic not a solid?
Not meaning to Hijack, if there is a tut on this in the forums I needn't a lengthy response, just a link
 

danieljames

Member
Guess it shouldn't be called soaking....Fresh cloves of garlic finely minced mixed with quality foods....the oils from the minced garlic mix with the food (usually I stir in a tupperware...put in fridge for 5 minutes then feed.)
 

al mc

Active Member
Crush the garlic and add the small amount of juice to the food you are to feed. Let soak no more than 5 minutes as the accepted active ingredient, Allicin, quickly breaks down once it is released from the crushed garlic cells.
There is much debate about garlic. Not that it causes harm, but about whether it has much effect as an immune or appetite stimulant. There are no peer reviewed scientific studies that show that it has any of these claimed effects in people or pets. I am not against using garlic. I use it myself. Further note: Bottled garlic formulations are worthless for treating disease/stimulating immune systems. Their only value may be appetite stimulation.
 

fats71

Active Member
Originally Posted by timbodmb
http:///forum/post/2540455
Fats71- you actaully saw this happen?
I saw it with my own eyes and my wife and I both freaked. This puffer had so much ich it looked like rolled in the snow it was awful ( due to stress from shipping and sittinng in a airport for extra days poor guy ) He told mee to come back in a couple days or he would send me pics of it within the week so if I can get some pics ill send them but I will probablyy be back up there for my lighting so I might take some of my own.
It is called "no sick fish" He opened the bottle I was looking at dumped it into a tank with 10k in corals fish etc in it and said watch this.
The fish was at the top it was amazing..
I am waiting for them to get the smaller bottles in as 50 bucks is out of my price range after I bought a ton of other stufff last night but they are making a smaller bottle ffor 30 bucks for my LFS and also a huge bottle ffor them specifically for their larger tanks. They have been using it for awhile with no ill efffects.
 

krazykarel

Member
You never know...much of our hobby is based on anecdotal evidence...that eventually proves to be the practiced norm :)
Years ago, I read on this site using garlic as a fish food additive would help fish get rid of ICH. I started using it and have not had an ICH breakout ever since! Where is the scientific evidence? I have no idea! For now, I'll be happy to keep mincing garlic into their food :)
 

al mc

Active Member
Originally Posted by krazykarel
http:///forum/post/2540641
You never know...much of our hobby is based on anecdotal evidence...that eventually proves to be the practiced norm :)
For instance, garlic. I read about using garlic extract as an additive with fish food several years ago on this board. The people claimed it aided their fishes' immune system and they never got ICH. Needless to say, I tried it out and my fish were ICH free ever since that time. Apparently, there is now some verifiable scientific evidence that proved those first hobbiests out :)
On the other hand, I would caution using scientific evidence as the end all be all. Scientific evidence has a way of morphing throughout the years as well. Think of under gravel filtration to where filtration is today (maybe that's a weak example...how about eggs and cholesterol?! Regardless, scientific evidence proves false many times).
So that to say, don't jump on on someones anecdotal evidence as a ridiculous practice. Let it run its course.
If you took my post as indicating that the use of garlic was a ridiculous practice, I am sorry. All of our experiences count for something and they are 'our' experiences.
Would you now suggest that garlic is a scientifically or otherwise proven treatment for Ich that should be suggested
along with hyposalinity, copper and the use of fallow tanks to other hobbyist coming into these forums/threads?
 

fats71

Active Member
Originally Posted by timbodmb
http:///forum/post/2540643
you can get it directly off their website... FYI (smaller bottles)
Ya my lfs is getting them in and I get them at cost which is cheaper than their website but I thank you.
Good lookin out ( I heard that on a yo mtv raps )
Honestly people can belive or not belivve if it works. I do however know what I saw and was actually amazed. The guy curt who runs the store is good buddies with bob fenner ( I got to hang out with them both for a day ) anyway they are no dumbies and I will try what they say. I did not buy it a few weeks ago when curt told me it worked as I already bought some "quick cure" it worked but gave my fish cloud eye i think and end result dead clown.
I told him I wanted to see him dump it into their main DT and with the huge puffer that came in yesterday with so much ich you could only see white it was so bad it was on his eyes. He dropped it in right over the fish and within minutes the fish looked 30% bettter. It was not a instant everything came off but a ton of it did. I am heading back up there to check out the fish this next weekend as he says if its not cured he will buy me one just like it with no issues and give it to me free ( this is not your ordinary 50 dollar puffer we are talking 300 bucks ) so ill be there with bells on as im buying my lights next weekend I think so we will see.
 
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