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ruaround

ruaround

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Scuba ... I started another thread on this very thing you should debate this there

... he made a "Football Move" which is defined as, but not limited too... two steps, two feet down, a knee touching the ground, an elbow touching the ground, stretching for a first down, stretching for a touchdown, running out of bounds, being assisted out of bounds after a reception is made and not touching your feet down in the feild of play, a juke, a fake, being tackled...etc. etc. etc...
he clearly made the inteception, rolled over and knocked the ball out with his knee... After his "Football Move" he then recovered his own fumble...plain and simple Pitt ball...the refs need to pull their heads out and ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE...as I said...go to the "Too Much Gray Area" Thread and discuss/debate this there...I would love to hear/read more of your opinion/facts on this matter!!!
 
mitzel

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Personaly I think the NFL is fixed . What show if any can compare to the NFL? You have millions of fans that turn in every weekend to watch the (comercials) I mean games . Its basically an all day show on sundays. With how many minutes of comercials? They are drawing us in with these record breaking players and upset victories IFFY calls. It's all set up . PEPSI COKE BUDWEISER COORSLIGHT CHEVY DODGE FORD and GEICO. thats who controls who wins on any given sunday.
Ok really I'm just mad because denver advanced to the AFC championship, and has home field against the steelers . Hopefully the steelers can get it done on the road again.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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what do you mean by "off" the ground... catch is made by a receiver that dives for the ball and hits the ground...does he have to get back up??? NO... it is stated over and over again if you (i dont mean you Scuba...obviously you do) watch any amount of football... 1 knee or 1 elbow equals 2 feet... why doe he have to get back up...there is no rule stating this...he had to main tain posesion while making a "Football Move" which he clearly did...
 
ruaround

ruaround

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AHA...Mitzel brings in the Conspiracy Theaory
... I have thought about this too... but, there is no way with the amount of players that come and go in and out of the NFL that someone at sometime wouldnt leak some sort of "fixing" info...
 
scubadoo

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by ruaround
what do you mean by "off" the ground... catch is made by a receiver that dives for the ball and hits the ground...does he have to get back up??? NO... it is stated over and over again if you (i dont mean you Scuba...obviously you do) watch any amount of football... 1 knee or 1 elbow equals 2 feet... why doe he have to get back up...there is no rule stating this...he had to main tain posesion while making a "Football Move" which he clearly did...
Possesion occured on the ground and the player was untouched. He was technically still on the ground when the ball game out. Correct call. One knee or elbow equals two feet in orfer to establish possession in the fiield of ply...i.e. or down by contact. Since the player never got up or was touched he lost possession while on the ground. He never established possession OFF the ground...this is the difference. If I'm wrong I'm sure the nfl will say so.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Scuba...did you read my post in the other thread... the interception was ruled incomplete because of because the Ref (morieli or morteli) stated he did not maintain posesion as he hit the ground... he clearly mad a "Football Move" and lost control after he hit the gound WITH POSSESION rolled over contacted the gound with both feet, an elbow, a knee his helmet, shoulder and then he knocked the ball out with his own knee on the way back up...he did establish possesion there is no reason for a player to "have to get off the ground"... nor is there a rule that states this...
 
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jcrim

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Originally Posted by ruaround
Scuba...did you read my post in the other thread... the interception was ruled incomplete because of because the Ref (morieli or morteli) stated he did not maintain posesion as he hit the ground... he clearly mad a "Football Move" and lost control after he hit the gound WITH POSSESION rolled over contacted the gound with both feet, an elbow, a knee his helmet, shoulder and then he knocked the ball out with his own knee on the way back up...he did establish possesion there is no reason for a player to "have to get off the ground"... nor is there a rule that states this...
I agree with this... clearly he had possession and made the catch. Then as he attempts to start his return the ball hits his knee.
I don't believe in an absolute conspiracy involving the players but if you watched the game, the calls definitely favored indy. The NFL did have an interest in seeing Indy go to the superbowl. They tried to give them a little help without actually "fixing" the game. I think this happens in most sports where certain match-ups will bring more attention.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by jcrim
I don't believe in an absolute conspiracy involving the players but if you watched the game, the calls definitely favored indy. The NFL did have an interest in seeing Indy go to the superbowl. They tried to give them a little help without actually "fixing" the game. I think this happens in most sports where certain match-ups will bring more attention.
I agree jcrim... there wouldnt be much fan fair with a Phoenix vs. Texans Superbowl, as in basketball there wouldnt be much in a Bucks vs. Warriors Championship... but IMO the bottom line is that the athletes who have worked most of their lives wouldnt stand to be paid off, and there are far too many athletes to keep their mouths shut...
 
scubadoo

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Colts were outcoached. Coaching talent wins...you best bring both, THey had NO answer for the Pitt pressure...NONE.
You saw Pitt almost blow it when they stopped blitzing and started rushing three or four and covering with 7 and 8. Once they went back to the blitz on second to the last possession you saw the Colts fold.
I thought the smart play for Pitt would be to run three QB sneaks in a row and not risk the handoff.
Great hussle by Big Ben.
I see youth an inexperience cost Chicago.
I'm no expert bu that puts me at 6-2 so far through the first two weeks. I better than Hammerin hank Goldberg...LOL
 
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jcrim

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Colts were outcoached. Coaching talent wins...you best bring both, THey had NO answer for the Pitt pressure...NONE.
You saw Pitt almost blow it when they stopped blitzing and started rushing three or four and covering with 7 and 8. Once they went back to the blitz on second to the last possession you saw the Colts fold.
I thought the smart play for Pitt would be to run three QB sneaks in a row and not risk the handoff.
Great hussle by Big Ben.
I see youth an inexperience cost Chicago.
I'm no expert bu that puts me at 6-2 so far through the first two weeks. I better than Hammerin hank Goldberg...LOL
How are you against the spread??? Hold on, let me get my bookie on the phone...
 
ruaround

ruaround

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agreed Scuba... did you see Dungy's face when Manning waved the punting unit off the feild...it was pricless!!!
I had stated to my girlfreind that the law of averages says there will be a fumble if Pitt keeps running the ball... a QB sneak would have been a great play call or a play action

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bootleg...
what about Manning not calling a run play in that last drive though... you have to keep a defense honest!!!
 
scubadoo

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by jcrim
How are you against the spread??? Hold on, let me get my bookie on the phone...
The pregame experts do not factor in points...but if you would like to start a thread I will go that route too.
For the record..I said Carolina would win...they did not need the points....Seattle would win,...they covered.....and Denver...would win..no help needed. I lost one..and if we were talking spreads I may have talked myself into taking the the 10 points and gone 4-0.
 
scubadoo

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by jcrim
I agree with this... clearly he had possession and made the catch. Then as he attempts to start his return the ball hits his knee.
I don't believe in an absolute conspiracy involving the players but if you watched the game, the calls definitely favored indy. The NFL did have an interest in seeing Indy go to the superbowl. They tried to give them a little help without actually "fixing" the game. I think this happens in most sports where certain match-ups will bring more attention.
I would argue the point of a favorable spot on a QB sneak on 4th down for Pitt.
If there was a conspiracy then Indy would have won. You can call holding on just about any run or pass play. ...negating any thrid down conversion and/or big play.
 
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jcrim

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
I would argue the point of a favorable spot on a QB sneak on 4th down for Pitt.
If there was a conspiracy then Indy would have won. You can call holding on just about any run or pass play. ...negating any thrid down conversion and/or big play.
You don't think the nfl has a financial interest in seeing certain matchups... why wouldn't they give a little help to those teams. Of course they can't ALL be in favor of one team but the majority of calls and close calls went in indy's favor.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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what about the "NO Call" on the 4th down QB sneak... Pitt clearly had a false start...the spot of the ball should have been 10 yds back...
 
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jcrim

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Originally Posted by ruaround
what about the "NO Call" on the 4th down QB sneak... Pitt clearly had a false start...the spot of the ball should have been 10 yds back...

But on the other hand, since the officials clearly didn't see the false start, they should have called offsides because there was obvious contact made. To claim there was no contact was just wrong.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by jcrim
But on the other hand, since the officials clearly didn't see the false start, they should have called offsides because there was obvious contact made. To claim there was no contact was just wrong.
Solid jcrim... and thats why I have had it with NFL officials!!! too many missed calls or liquid interpretation of the rules... (by liquid I mean inconsistant...)
there is no such thing as a no call!!! either someone moved or the D encroached was in the neutral zone or they were offsides...
 
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