NObama 09' - very good points

snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2804792
Now wait a minute. My views about Obama are pretty well known but to say his church isn't Christian crosses the line. There are plenty of white racist christians too. They might not act real Christ like but they are members of the Christian faith
No, their just bonafide hypocrits.
 
snakeblitz33

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What I don't like is that Obama can't even produce a true copy of his birth certificate. And he also won't release any information regarding any of his degrees. That would also indemnify him for not being a natural born citizen.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2804847
The exact phrase may not be in the constitution but the absence of the phrase doesn't mean it's an invalid concept or that it can't be used for legal principal.
The concepts of Right of Privacy and Fair Trail aren't in the Constitution under the exact phrasing...does that make them any less applicable?
Actually the 6th Amendment covers fair trial and the fourth Amendment covers privacy.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2804780
What ever happened to real politics and the ISSUES! The straight talk express and the right are getting their rears handed to them and this is all they have left. When you can't win the issues you have to resort to underhanded tatics that are trying to make sure everyone knows that Obama is black and dangerous.
Probably went out the door when they went after palin...
What is this I hear about the obama campaign investigating joe the plumber...
 
grue

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2804765
There is currently a 3+ page post titled "does anyone actually like Palin". Did you ask for it to be deleted?
There is nothing against forum rules in this thread.
No I quit posting there after you decided you didnt like my post and using your Mod Powers Warned me that my Language wasn't what you wanted to see. Even tho IMHO There was not 1 foul word in it. But the Heck with all this political mess how are the fish?
Grue
 
snakeblitz33

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lol, contrary to popular belief, fish isn't the only thing in this world. hehe. Not many people are defending Obama in this thread - do I consider that a win for McCain? lol!
Even though McCain is 74, and has a few health problems does not make any difference if he can lead this great country into a victory in the Middle East and can try to help heal the economy as best as possible...
Personally, I don't think that Bush had anything to do with the economy being in ruins. I think it was all of the mass speculation that people/companies were doing. I know that my retirement portfolio shrunk by 50%, makes me mad.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/2805008
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?

Nope, the context of this is in reference to harming someone that sinned and showing forgiveness.
Jmick will have to show us, since he made the claim.
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2804999
Probably went out the door when they went after palin...
What is this I hear about the obama campaign investigating joe the plumber...
Who exactly went after Palin? You mean the media for doing some journalism on her and giving us some information, information which is clearly something she doesn't want to give the American people.
 
prime311

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2805032
Nope, the context of this is in reference to harming someone that sinned and showing forgiveness.
Jmick will have to show us, since he made the claim.

Actually the context of it was to not only show forgiveness, but also to not cast judgement on someone when you yourself are guilty of doing wrong as well. God, as taught, is the only one who can cast judgement and only his chosen government can offer punishment. Thats the whole moral of the parable and I'm completely at a loss that you would try to ignore that. That being said, I really don't care. I could easily point out other instances, but it isn't worth the effort. If you think judging people is ok in christianity then you don't know your own religion(particularly the teachings in the new testament) very well.
 
snakeblitz33

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"5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
The Bible doesn't say "Thou shalt not Judge". If this were the intention, then it would simply say that. Rather, it gives a very structured process of determining behavior right or wrong and being critical. First improve oneself, then help others, and don't be a hypocrite. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1133817AAokwdM
I thought I would fuel the flames. hehe
 
jmick

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2805032
Nope, the context of this is in reference to harming someone that sinned and showing forgiveness.
Jmick will have to show us, since he made the claim.
I am not biblical scholar but everyone knows this gem...Judge not lest ye be judged." Here is another: ‘But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.’ Corinthians 2:15?
Matthew 7:1-5 (NIV)
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
I think the key is probably if you are going to judge then you should apply the same standards to yourself and if you don't you are a hypocrite.
 
prime311

prime311

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33
http:///forum/post/2805048
"5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
The Bible doesn't say "Thou shalt not Judge". If this were the intention, then it would simply say that. Rather, it gives a very structured process of determining behavior right or wrong and being critical. First improve oneself, then help others, and don't be a hypocrite. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1133817AAokwdM
I thought I would fuel the flames. hehe
Thats an old testament teaching. I could get into how jesus came and did away with the old laws and how the very premise of right and wrong is different in the old and new, but that would be a very long conversation. The teaching in the new testament is that it is not our place to judge, but that it is gods domain.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2805054
I am not biblical scholar but everyone knows this gem...Judge not lest ye be judged." Here is another: ‘But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.’ Corinthians 2:15?
Matthew 7:1-5 (NIV)
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
I think the key is probably if you are going to judge then you should apply the same standards to yourself and if you don't you are a hypocrite.
And where does it say You can't judge? It says if you do prepare to be judged yourself.
 
prime311

prime311

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Do you not realize what the point is? Don't judge others or you yourself will be judged. Unless you honestly think you commit no sin, then I'm not sure how any godfearing christian would want that. That leaves only one that can judge, and that is god or jesus or whatever, as he is the only one without sin.
But lets take a step back here and try a different approach. Try using your conscience for a second. Do you think its a good thing to accuse other people of doing wrong? Or do you not think the better man would not talk badly about his fellows? What do you accomplish by accusing people of wrongdoing? Is it good? Is it bad? Is there any purpose to it other then to incite anger? Is that good? Is that bad? Try using some logic here.
 
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