NObama 09' - very good points

michaeltx

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33
http:///forum/post/2805082
Why is my post counter stuck at 1,321? it has been for the last few days. I guess I need to clear/clean my computer cashe or something, eh?
when all you so is post in the aquarium where posts dont count what would you expect?
as far as the thread I am not getting into it

Mike
 

nina&noah

Member
OK, call me naive, but I had never heard of partial birth abortions. I am now sick to my stomache! Does this really happen?!!!!! In this country?!!!!! Why?
Why would anyone in their right mind be OK with this?
I am now going to go stare at my beautiful baby boy and cry about all of the cruelties that innocent little babies have to endure.
 

michaeltx

Moderator
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/2805592
OK, call me naive, but I had never heard of partial birth abortions. I am now sick to my stomache! Does this really happen?!!!!! In this country?!!!!! Why?
Why would anyone in their right mind be OK with this?
I am now going to go stare at my beautiful baby boy and cry about all of the cruelties that innocent little babies have to endure.
unfortunately yes it does. usually in the back alleys and dingest of places that can cause the mother to become very ill with infections and such. AND even worse is when its not done correctly and the baby lives somehow really bad.
Have you ever watched dirty dancing? it was actually part of that movie that the daddy had to go and fix the girl up after a botched procedure was done.
I agree with you though I dont see how anyone can say this type of thing is OK.
Mike
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/2805592
Why would anyone in their right mind be OK with this?
I wonder the same thing...
What I feel is equally barbaric is that when they do survive this produce and others, they just leave em on a table till they die.
 

rotarymagic

Active Member
I'm pro-choice, but not pro-partial birth abortion. I feel that if you make it past 3 months, you should keep that baby... 90days is alot of time to "think" about it. You may as well put it up for adoption if its being delivered anyway I mean wtf you already went 9 months with it, why carry something that long on deathrow. I know I wouldn't go through some sort of 9month sickness schedule just to terminate lol if I were a woman.
I feel that partial birth abortions are a crime. If they're allowed however, I feel that it is only necessary that I should be able to keep skulls of those whom are killed while breaking into my car, house, etc. If there is no understood decency within society then why not go all the way? You don't need a book to teach you this sort of thing.
You guys are also fighting over interpretation of the bible which makes me laugh. People have already done this many times, how many splits are there? LOL... Darth I've already said my piece to you, I'm not going to stand atop my soapbox here again. Believe how you want to believe, but if you attempt to try me or others on religious grounds be prepared to have your "blood shed" because of it. All organized religion has in some or great part led to religiously motivated violence and that's just not right. If someone can kill for christ, I should be able to kill them because they are for christ/mohammed/whatever. Isn't it the same? REALLY think about it. If you "cast stones" based upon the interpretations of others and the writings of men i.e. the bible, be prepared for the same to be dealt to you. It's only "decent."
 

reefraff

Active Member
Docs take an oath that says "First do no harm". I find it hard to believe that if there was never a reason for this barbaric procedure there would be such an outcry from the medical community it would be banned. I mean if it is somehow to save the life of the mother I could see it.
Until reading up to see why this would be required I was against the partial birth abortion ban for the reason stated above. After reading that the ban exempted dead or hopelessly deformed fetuses or the life of the mother, and that some doctors have admitted performing the procedures for other reasons I think I was wrong to oppose the ban.
 

rotarymagic

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2805705
Docs take an oath that says "First do no harm". I find it hard to believe that if there was never a reason for this barbaric procedure there would be such an outcry from the medical community it would be banned. I mean if it is somehow to save the life of the mother I could see it.
Until reading up to see why this would be required I was against the partial birth abortion ban for the reason stated above. After reading that the ban exempted dead or hopelessly deformed fetuses or the life of the mother, and that some doctors have admitted performing the procedures for other reasons I think I was wrong to oppose the ban.
Yeah I'm in agreement with you. There are only a few cases where this would be even partially acceptable.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/2805592
OK, call me naive, but I had never heard of partial birth abortions. I am now sick to my stomache! Does this really happen?!!!!! In this country?!!!!! Why?
Why would anyone in their right mind be OK with this?
I am now going to go stare at my beautiful baby boy and cry about all of the cruelties that innocent little babies have to endure.
Do yourself a favor and DON'T google "partial birth abortion." You think you feel bad now...
Remember to vote. Send a message to the people we elect to represent us that we will not stand for these atrocities any longer. Write to your elected officials at every level of government.
 

jennythebugg

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2805670
I'm pro-choice, but not pro-partial birth abortion. I feel that if you make it past 3 months, you should keep that baby... 90days is alot of time to "think" about it. You may as well put it up for adoption if its being delivered anyway I mean wtf you already went 9 months with it, why carry something that long on deathrow. I know I wouldn't go through some sort of 9month sickness schedule just to terminate lol if I were a woman.
I feel that partial birth abortions are a crime. If they're allowed however, I feel that it is only necessary that I should be able to keep skulls of those whom are killed while breaking into my car, house, etc.
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finally we agree on something lol
 

rotarymagic

Active Member
Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2805740
finally we agree on something lol
The first half or the second half? I just couldn't see you cutting off heads and bleaching skulls... you just don't strike me as that kind of gal lol.
 

jennythebugg

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2805743
The first half or the second half? I just couldn't see you cutting off heads and bleaching skulls... you just don't strike me as that kind of gal lol.
you wouldn't like me when i'm angry lol
 

nina&noah

Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2805705
Docs take an oath that says "First do no harm". I find it hard to believe that if there was never a reason for this barbaric procedure there would be such an outcry from the medical community it would be banned. I mean if it is somehow to save the life of the mother I could see it.
Until reading up to see why this would be required I was against the partial birth abortion ban for the reason stated above. After reading that the ban exempted dead or hopelessly deformed fetuses or the life of the mother, and that some doctors have admitted performing the procedures for other reasons I think I was wrong to oppose the ban.
I don't understand how killing the baby right before it exits the birth canal could possibly save the life of the mother. Doesn't make sense to me. All of the hard part is done before the baby comes out. You are still giving birth.
 

rotarymagic

Active Member
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/2807288
I don't understand how killing the baby right before it exits the birth canal could possibly save the life of the mother. Doesn't make sense to me. All of the hard part is done before the baby comes out. You are still giving birth.

Say mother is severely sick and having that weird disorder where the immune system starts attacking the baby thinking its a foreign object. In order to save her, emergency induced birth delivery and... execution..to keep her alive.
 

nina&noah

Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2805736
Do yourself a favor and DON'T google "partial birth abortion." You think you feel bad now...
Remember to vote. Send a message to the people we elect to represent us that we will not stand for these atrocities any longer. Write to your elected officials at every level of government.
I didn't and I won't google it. I don't want to risk seeing pictures or being more disgusted than I already am.
My question is, does Obama really support this? Where can I find trust worthy information that states this? I don't rely on chain emails for my political information. I still can't believe this happens in this country. I really can't believe that there are doctors that perform these procedures.
Why do I check this forum before I go to bed at night! It makes sleeping impossible! Maybe I should go talk about fish.
 

nina&noah

Member
Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2807294
Say mother is severely sick and having that weird disorder where the immune system starts attacking the baby thinking its a foreign object. In order to save her, emergency induced birth delivery and... execution..to keep her alive.
Ok, I'm with you right up to the execution part. Emergency birth delivery I understand, but why the execution? You have to get the baby out of the mom's body. I get that part. Why does the baby have to die? Just trying to understand...
 

rotarymagic

Active Member
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/2807300
Ok, I'm with you right up to the execution part. Emergency birth delivery I understand, but why the execution? You have to get the baby out of the mom's body. I get that part. Why does the baby have to die? Just trying to understand...
It's one of those ridiculous hypothetical situations where the baby is severely deformed/"hellstricken" as well with zero chance to live. Do you think that if you deliver a premature baby that's 3 months old that it can survive in incubation? nope..not even close.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/2807298
I didn't and I won't google it. I don't want to risk seeing pictures or being more disgusted than I already am.
I have. There are pictures and video that will literally make you throw up.
Originally Posted by nina&noah

http:///forum/post/2807298
My question is, does Obama really support this? Where can I find trust worthy information that states this? I don't rely on chain emails for my political information. I still can't believe this happens in this country. I really can't believe that there are doctors that perform these procedures.

When presented with the opportunity to cast a vote against the procedure, Obama voted "present" which is usually considered supporting an issue without having actually voted for it. I'll look to see if I can find a reliable source and post it for you.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
3 Weeks after Fertilization (5 weeks after LMP)
The eyes and spinal cord are visible and the developing brain has two lobes.[39] [40]

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4 Weeks after Fertilization (6 weeks after LMP)
The heart is beating and a circulatory system is in place.[41] The portion of the brain associated with consciousness (the cerebrum) and internal organs such as the lungs are beginning to develop and can be identified.[42]

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7 Weeks after Fertilization (9 weeks after LMP)
Muscles and nerves begin working together. When the upper lip is tickled, the arms move backwards.[43] The portion of the brain associated with consciousness (the cerebrum) has divided into hemispheres.[44]

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9 Weeks after Fertilization (11 weeks after LMP)
More than 90% of the body structures found in a full-grown human are present. The medical classification changes from an embryo to a fetus. This dividing line was chosen by embryologists because from this point forward, most development involves growth in existing body structures instead of the formation of new ones.[46] [47] The preborn human moves body parts without any outside stimulation.[48]

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10 Weeks after Fertilization (12 weeks after LMP)
All parts of the brain and spinal cord are formed. The heart pumps blood to every part of the body.[49] The whole body is sensitive to touch except for portions of the head. The preborn human makes facial expressions.[50]

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12 Weeks after Fertilization (14 weeks after LMP)
Electrical signals from the nervous system are measurable. After an abortion, efforts to suckle will sometimes be observed.
 
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