NObama 09' - very good points

darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/2805057
Thats an old testament teaching. I could get into how jesus came and did away with the old laws and how the very premise of right and wrong is different in the old and new, but that would be a very long conversation. The teaching in the new testament is that it is not our place to judge, but that it is gods domain.

And this is wrong as well. Jesus said the following
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment John 7:24
Jesus's whole point on judgement of people is for us not to be hypocritical...If we judge someone's actions as wrong or evil we best not be doing anything remotely similar.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2805077
And this is wrong as well. Jesus said the following
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment John 7:24
Jesus's whole point on judgement of people is for us not to be hypocritical...If we judge someone's actions as wrong or evil we best not be doing anything remotely similar.
Nice. I can see that! It's kind of funny how the Bible also teaches that if you brutilize and punish your children that your children have the right to throw feces at thy faces... or something like that. Look it up!
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Why is my post counter stuck at 1,321? it has been for the last few days. I guess I need to clear/clean my computer cashe or something, eh?
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2805065
And where does it say You can't judge? It says if you do prepare to be judged yourself.
Well, the more I think about it I guess it doesn't say you can not judge. I guess you lucked Darth; you are free to be judgmental of homosexuals, non Christians, the poor, the left, illegal immigrants, and whoever else you feel compelled to despise.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/2805072
Do you not realize what the point is? Don't judge others or you yourself will be judged. Unless you honestly think you commit no sin, then I'm not sure how any godfearing christian would want that. That leaves only one that can judge, and that is god or jesus or whatever, as he is the only one without sin.
No, people are ok to judge as long as they themselves are not committing the same action. Think about it, if we are not suppossed to judge, then we have no need of a prison facility as it is not our place to judge the actions of murderers, rapists, and thieves. To place these folks in prison we must judge them guilty and having done wrong.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2805086
Well, the more I think about it I guess it doesn't say you can not judge. I guess you lucked Darth; you are free to be judgmental of homosexuals, non Christians, the poor, the left, illegal immigrants, and whoever else you feel compelled to despise.
I despise no one Jmick, as much as you think otherwise. I just like a good debate and a potentially heated argument.
There are moments I dislike people, But I usually get over that once I realize they are entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong I think it to be.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Darthtang, I think that everyone who kills or emotionally scars a person that bad (as in ----) should be judged and sent to a place where they can not do it again. I'm all for prisons, however I think that a lot of them should get the Death penalty and we shouldn't give them so many amenities. It takes 18 years on average to kill someone on death row!!! However, I love Texas - they have an expressway for it. hehehe
 
prime311

prime311

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2805077
And this is wrong as well. Jesus said the following
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment John 7:24
Jesus's whole point on judgement of people is for us not to be hypocritical...If we judge someone's actions as wrong or evil we best not be doing anything remotely similar.
Ok I'm a little off here. I was thinking of where it teaches that its not our place to condemn. Its still a grey area, as there are many occasions where the will of god is up to interpretation which makes judging kind of hard to do from the christian standpoint(or 'right judgement'). So I guess I'll defer a bit here, as judgement is clearly allowed in the case of courts or in the practice of say stopping a crime from happening(as you would technically be judging that what is happening is wrong). In the interest of your original point though, it could be said that jmick is correct that snakeblitz is not judging in a christian manner by calling them hypocrites(as he is most likely guilty himself of being hypocritical) and is thus correct in his original statement when he says judging people for being hypocritical is in this case unchristian and if he were a christian(which apparently he is not) this would also make him hypocritical.
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Let me see if I have this right: If a hypocrite calls a hypocrit a hypocrit they are being hypocritical.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2805110
Let me see if I have this right: If a hypocrite calls a hypocrit a hypocrit they are being hypocritical.

wow, can I quote that from you BangGuy? hahaha!
I don't care, I know I'm a hypocrit, and it's fun pointing out other people's flaws, isn't it? I know I do it! lol
Anyways, so... lets try to get a little back on track...
lets just say, hypothetically, Obama does get into office. What do you all think is going to change? If that is the real issue, then lets discuss it.
Why should I vote for Obama, why should I vote for McCain?
 
jennythebugg

jennythebugg

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33
http:///forum/post/2804852
What I don't like is that Obama can't even produce a true copy of his birth certificate. And he also won't release any information regarding any of his degrees. That would also indemnify him for not being a natural born citizen.
I know , I have to have the original footprinted stamped copies of my kids birth certificates for them to be enrolled in public school , i guess its different for a first grader than the next leader of the free world
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2805174
I know , I have to have the original footprinted stamped copies of my kids birth certificates for them to be enrolled in public school , i guess its different for a first grader than the next leader of the free world

Amen sista!
 
socal57che

socal57che

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I just read through this and wanted to offer more Scripture that mentions the subject of judging others...
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Romans 16:17
This sounds like we are to judge people in order determine their intentions.
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Corinthians 6:2
Many people also confuse judging with condemning. To judge can mean to discern or evaluate. It is not wise to form an educated opinion of someone. Since I will not allow my 9 yr old to stay over at one of her friends homes because I know that her father smokes marijuana am I condemning him or merely acting on my better judgement?
Has anyone checked to see what the original word was and how it was translated?
I took some time to trace the word and there are plenty of interpretations to go around. I think it's safe to say that it is OK to form an opinion based on what you see from a person. "We shall know them by their fruit."
Greek Word: Krivnw
Transliterated Word: krino
Book to Display: Matthew
Verse Count: 4
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Strong's Number: 2919 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
krivnw - perhaps a primitive word
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Krino 3:921,469
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
kree'-no Verb
Definition
to separate, put asunder, to pick out, select, choose
to approve, esteem, to prefer
to be of opinion, deem, think, to be of opinion
to determine, resolve, decree
to judge
to pronounce an opinion concerning right and wrong
to be judged, i.e. summoned to trial that one's case may be examined and judgment passed upon it
to pronounce judgment, to subject to censure
of those who act the part of judges or arbiters in matters of common life, or pass judgment on the deeds and words of others
to rule, govern
to preside over with the power of giving judicial decisions, because it was the prerogative of kings and rulers to pass judgment
to contend together, of warriors and combatants
to dispute
in a forensic sense
to go to law, have suit at law
I used a Hebrew/Greek/English interlinear and cross referenced here http://www.foreignword.com/Tools/dic...anslate&trg=CQ if anybody is interested.
 
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