Now I am mad

[jmick]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2755488
In my case, the answer is yes. And I know I'm not the only one.
McCain appointed a very Conservative, Christian, Pro-Life VP. That, to me, showed he listened and cares about the "base" of the Republican Party. That has been my, any many others, greatest fear.
How should being a christian matter at all, unless you want her to push a "christian" agenda? I don't believe at all that Palin was McCain's choice and believe he was forced to pick her.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2755524
How should being a christian matter at all, unless you want her to push a "christian" agenda? I don't believe at all that Palin was McCain's choice and believe he was forced to pick her.
What exactly is a Christian agenda? And how is it bad?
I hear this alot and wonder why it is a problem, seriously. How does being Christian hinder a person's ability to run a country?

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2755538
What exactly is a Christian agenda? And how is it bad?
I hear this alot and wonder why it is a problem, seriously. How does being Christian hinder a person's ability to run a country?
The religious right would like to reverse gains in various progressive movements from women's rights, gay’s rights and environmental issues. They'd clearly like to reverse court decisions that have strengthened the separation of church and state. What else, censorship, especially what our kids read and learn in schools from --- Ed to evolution. And making silly claims like god told you strike Al Quida, Sadam and the Middle East (bush).
Generally speaking, I don't care what religion a politician follows or doesn't follow so long as their agenda isn't shaped by their beliefs which in turn is pushed down our throats.
How would you react if we had a candidate who was a devout Muslim or an Atheist? IMO, the religious right rarely practice what they preach and a full of immoral people.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2755548
The religious right would like to reverse gains in various progressive movements from women's rights, gay’s rights and environmental issues. They'd clearly like to reverse court decisions that have strengthened the separation of church and state. What else, censorship, especially what our kids read and learn in schools from --- Ed to evolution. And making silly claims like god told you strike Al Quida, Sadam and the Middle East (bush).
Generally speaking, I don't care what religion a politician follows or doesn't follow so long as their agenda isn't shaped by their beliefs which in turn is pushed down our throats.
How would you react if we had a candidate who was a devout Muslim or an Atheist? IMO, the religious right rarely practice what they preach and a full of immoral people.
Can you list one politician that has ever successfully bring about a law change that took away any of these rights? Christian politician preferably..
even when the senate, house, and presidency were ran by those that you consider christian right?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2755524
How should being a christian matter at all, unless you want her to push a "christian" agenda? I don't believe at all that Palin was McCain's choice and believe he was forced to pick her.
The "Christian agenda", as you describe it, is at the cornerstone of our Nation's foundation.
I don't care to see a politician "push" a religious agenda at all (I just don't want to hear people falsely claim its in the Constitution or try to erase our Christian heritage).

 

[veni vidi vici]

I could give a rats a** if he can use a computer or has a I-Pod or goes rollerblading on weekends.Its his views on where he wants to take our country and his ability to make good decisions that makes him a good presidential candidate IMO.

 

[reefraff]

I could care less about palin's religion. I like the fact that she stood up to her own party more than once. Thats the redeeming value of McCain IMO. I don't always agree with the direction he moves when he goes off the reservation but at least he is willing to look beyond the party agenda.
In Obama's case he has just followed the party line. Since the Democrats gained control of Congress the economy has gone to crap. You really want to let them throw us into a recession or depression go ahead and vote for Obama.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2755710
I could care less about palin's religion. I like the fact that she stood up to her own party more than once. Thats the redeeming value of McCain IMO. I don't always agree with the direction he moves when he goes off the reservation but at least he is willing to look beyond the party agenda.
In Obama's case he has just followed the party line. Since the Democrats gained control of Congress the economy has gone to crap. You really want to let them throw us into a recession or depression go ahead and vote for Obama.

Why is it when Clinton was in office, and it was a Republican-led Congress, everything was his fault. But now that the Democrats lead Congress, they're to blame for everything and nothing is Dubbya's fault?

 

[redman1221]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2755710
I could care less about palin's religion. I like the fact that she stood up to her own party more than once. Thats the redeeming value of McCain IMO. I don't always agree with the direction he moves when he goes off the reservation but at least he is willing to look beyond the party agenda.
In Obama's case he has just followed the party line. Since the Democrats gained control of Congress the economy has gone to crap. You really want to let them throw us into a recession or depression go ahead and vote for Obama.
Imo McCain is just like Bush if you want another 4 years of this *** then go ahead and vote for McCain, but if you want change then vote for Obama. The only reason McCain picked palin is because he is trying to get woman to vote for him. McCain from the beginning talked about experience but never said anything about change, but Obama from the beginning talked about change and now McCain is coping him by saying its time for change. I think McCain is ****, but you all that want him to be president is just asking for more of what we are going through now, my vote is for Obama. JM2cents

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2755726
Why is it when Clinton was in office, and it was a Republican-led Congress, everything was his fault. But now that the Democrats lead Congress, they're to blame for everything and nothing is Dubbya's fault?
The Democrats controlled Congress the bulk of the Clinton years. It was the Republican Congress that balanced the budget.
Now, to be fair, it was also the Republican Congress in the 2000 era that didn't do enough to control spending. Many of us here will readily admit that.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by redman1221
http:///forum/post/2755815
... but you all that want him to be president is just asking for more of what we are going through now, my vote is for Obama. JM2cents
I agree with this comment, to some extent.
I don't want Obama's change. I don't want our country to deviate from our founding documents. I don't want our Nation to have a weaker military, higher taxes, or negotiate with dictators... I don't want our Nation to bow to International pressure. I don't want to be friendly with Hamas. I don't regulated energy, healthcare, or transportation.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by redman1221
http:///forum/post/2755815
. The only reason McCain picked palin is because he is trying to get woman to vote for him.
So by that logic your saying that the only reason the Dems tossed Obama out there is to attract the black vote?

 

[beth]

I actually don't believe that McCain picked Palin...she was picked for him by the Rep. Party.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2755909
I actually don't believe that McCain picked Palin...she was picked for him by the Rep. Party.
Proof? Or just a assumption?I don't think there is anyone in Washington or elsewhere who would tell McCain who he will pick and what hes gonna do.

 

[jerthunter]

I don't believe this. How can McCain not use a computer? I went to his myspace page so of course he can use a computer.
Of course I would be dreadfully worried if he couldn't use a computer, that would be like totally the worst thing ever. I expect to have a modern president who manages to keep up a current myspace page, facebook, and can upload crazy youtube videos of him and his friends. And if he can't use a computer how on earth are we going to talk on IM? And what if he couldn't read his e-mail, he would be missing out and some great wikiinformation, and he wouldn't get the opportunity to help some poor banker in Africa legally get at a bunch of money left in the bank when the guy with no living relatives died.
I'm just glad this claims are false, because how would we survive without a president who couldn't keep up all entertained with a witty blog at the same time he googles Taliban, while reading the wikipedia article on war strategy, all at the same time he is IMing me about how awful his day was.
Yes, I am glad I don't have to worry about the horrible things that would happen to this country if we had a president who didn't blog...

 

[redman1221]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2755882
So by that logic your saying that the only reason the Dems tossed Obama out there is to attract the black vote?

No I am saying that because a lot of woman wanted Hilary to be the nominee for the democrat and now she is not they will vote for McCain because he has nominated a woman to be the next vice president. That is all I am saying, it is jmo so you can take it or leave it.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2755909
I actually don't believe that McCain picked Palin...she was picked for him by the Rep. Party.
Based upon what I have seen from many people who consider themselves 'diehard republicans' it doesn't seem like they could even pick who they wanted for President.... I find it hard to believe that they would have any more luck picking out a vice president they liked.
Now I personally disagree with about 97% of what Palin stands for, but I just think it was an amazing pick. I personally get a huge kick out of it, the way it appears to fly in the face of what was expected. Pure genius in my opinion, of course I will just sit back and let history be the judge of simply how brilliant of a choice this was.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by redman1221
http:///forum/post/2755958
No I am saying that because a lot of woman wanted Hilary to be the nominee for the democrat and now she is not they will vote for McCain because he has nominated a woman to be the next vice president. That is all I am saying, it is jmo so you can take it or leave it.
LOL you may be right ...Flip....Flop...Flip.....Flop......

 

[crimzy]

Darth, I think that your alleged "outrage" loses a lot of credibility considering that you have also started numerous threads trying to sway people away from Obama, including a couple today alone. I hope that your anger at this particular issue is not so overwhelming that you can still live your life in a happy and healthy way.

And BTW, the quote in the ad doesn't say that he can't use a computer, as you claim from a physical disability, but indicates that he doesn't know how. Important distinction there as learning how to use a computer would clearly be possible, even if disabled.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by redman1221
http:///forum/post/2755958
No I am saying that because a lot of woman wanted Hilary to be the nominee for the democrat and now she is not they will vote for McCain because he has nominated a woman to be the next vice president. That is all I am saying, it is jmo so you can take it or leave it.
I don't think so. The same people who were going to vote for Clinton would not vote for a conservative Christian like Palin. The Republican machine knows this. I don't really think that the decision to pick Palin was a grab at female votes. I think it was a grab for conservative votes. IMO, it was a good decision. McCain does not really appeal to the conservative Christian as well as many may think.