Now I am mad

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2755726
Why is it when Clinton was in office, and it was a Republican-led Congress, everything was his fault. But now that the Democrats lead Congress, they're to blame for everything and nothing is Dubbya's fault?
When Clinton first got elected and had a Democrat congress things went to crap bad enough that the Republicans took control in a major swing of power that was unprecedented. The Republicans drug Clinton kicking and screaming as they cut the size of government in 95 which is what led to the balanced budgets Clinton gets credit for. Track the stock market during the 90's and watch when it took off.
Except for about a year the Republicans have controlled the house and senate under Bush until January of 07. While the Republicans did spent too much the Economy was expanding so things weren't bad at the time. The Republicans didn't lose control because the economy was doing bad, it was because some Republicans got greedy and were exposed and because the war was going bad at the time. All the economic factors looked good until about half way through 07. Since that time what great initiative have the Democrats come up with to solve the economic slide that started after they gained control?
In all the time during Bushes term when the economy was rebounding from the Clinton recession, the 9-11 attacks and corporate scandals and led to record low unemployment the dems and their media allies only wanted to talk about the war. Now that the war is going well and the economy is on a downturn all they want to talk about is how bad the economy is and exaggerate that.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by redman1221
http:///forum/post/2755815
Imo McCain is just like Bush if you want another 4 years of this *** then go ahead and vote for McCain, but if you want change then vote for Obama. The only reason McCain picked palin is because he is trying to get woman to vote for him. McCain from the beginning talked about experience but never said anything about change, but Obama from the beginning talked about change and now McCain is coping him by saying its time for change. I think McCain is ****, but you all that want him to be president is just asking for more of what we are going through now, my vote is for Obama. JM2cents
Not being a socialist why on earth would I vote for Obama? If you want higher taxes and more government services go for it. McCain has a demonstrated record of fighting government waste. If he just controls the size of government I will be a happy camper. That has been my major complaint about Bush all along.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2756057
Darth, I think that your alleged "outrage" loses a lot of credibility considering that you have also started numerous threads trying to sway people away from Obama, including a couple today alone. I hope that your anger at this particular issue is not so overwhelming that you can still live your life in a happy and healthy way.

And BTW, the quote in the ad doesn't say that he can't use a computer, as you claim from a physical disability, but indicates that he doesn't know how. Important distinction there as learning how to use a computer would clearly be possible, even if disabled.
If McCain has a myspace page he obviously utilizes computers, understands the usefulness of the internet etc. Good enough for me. None of the cool adaptive devices we have today were around back when PC's hit the mass market. It's perfectly understandable that an otherwise able bodies adult who can't use a standard keyboard wouldn't have learned to use one. They were typing intensive until the early 90's.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2756142
I don't think so. The same people who were going to vote for Clinton would not vote for a conservative Christian like Palin. The Republican machine knows this. I don't really think that the decision to pick Palin was a grab at female votes. I think it was a grab for conservative votes. IMO, it was a good decision. McCain does not really appeal to the conservative Christian as well as many may think.
The obvious pick to simply go after the Hillary vote would have been Christie Todd Whitman. Obama would have just hanged himself and been done with it. Pro Choice, openly critical of Bush, Moderate views on the environment and hands New Jersey to the Republicans, it was a perfect pick if you simply wanted to guarantee a Republican win. Would have cost a few right wing votes but nothing like what would have been drawn out of the Democrat party.
 

beth

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People, just because McCain has a My Space page, or his own web-page for that matter, doesn't mean that he knows how to use a computer. He has people working for him that make many of the decision regarding how his campaign runs, including putting up campaign web-pages.
Neither candidate put up their own web-pages, nor would I expect that they should. Come on, lets not be silly.
 

jerthunter

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2756261
People, just because McCain has a My Space page, or his own web-page for that matter, doesn't mean that he knows how to use a computer. He has people working for him that make many of the decision regarding how his campaign runs, including putting up campaign web-pages.
Neither candidate put up their own web-pages, nor would I expect that they should. Come on, lets not be silly.
Next you will be saying that they don't write their own speechs!!!
So if they don't use a computer to update their myspace page then they must need it to IM other world leaders. I imagine G.W. is on his computer right now, IMing with Putin and that French president (Sarsky, Sorsky.. something like that, his IM name is FrenchPrez5 since 1-4 were already taken). I believe they used to text each other but after the whole Georgia conflict Bush had to respond by cutting off text messaging between him and Putin, that why Putin will KNOW he like totally means business. And if that doesn't work, I'm sure he will post some nasty comments about Putin on his myspace.
 

beth

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Does anyone here think that Obama doesn't know how to use a computer, or how to send email, or how to navigate web-pages? No, everyone knows that he knows how to do this.
The fact that this lack of knowledge and/or ability pertaining to McCain is widely known by the public is a deficit to McCain and his campaign for president. The fact that he is a senior citizen and many will think that he can't operate a computer because he is too old is a deficit in his candidacy. Any deficient is a strike against that candidate, and a deficit that is so utterly mainstreamed into our society (the use of a computer) is mind-boggling to many. A 4 year old child knows how to use a computer. Its an instrument that is in common use by everyone. And, as a leader of the most powerful country in the world, use of a computer should be a non-issue for a president.
Jerthunter, there are actually more uses for a computer than IMing....hard to believe, but true.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2756261
People, just because McCain has a My Space page, or his own web-page for that matter, doesn't mean that he knows how to use a computer. He has people working for him that make many of the decision regarding how his campaign runs, including putting up campaign web-pages.
Neither candidate put up their own web-pages, nor would I expect that they should. Come on, lets not be silly.
This whole thread is silly.When it comes right down to the nitty gritty ,computer literacy shouldn't even be in the top 10,000 reasons why one or the other should be qualified to run this country.He could fly a fighter jet ,land on a aircraft carrier that is moving up and down and side to side at night.Can anyone claim Obama can? Does that make Obama any less qualified to be President?
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by alexmir
http:///forum/post/2755168
but the ad never said he couldnt use a computer because he was cripled, so that frustation makes no sense. Its just saying that hes an old geezer who doesnt know how to use a computer in a technology run america(which he is)
and barry obama is a hip, young black guy who knows how to do everything from send e-mail , to look up ----.
I think implying they were mocking his service and his disability is digging WAY too deep
You show YOUR depth by mocking his service, his injuries due to ejection and torture and even his age.
 

beth

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Actually, I don't think that McCain would be able to operate a fighter plane now....unless it was an old relic war plane from the Vietnam era.
A computer is as common as a TV set in the USA, and if someone doesn't know how to use it, or can't use it, or can't learn to use it, then the implication is that they don't have the mental ability (due to age in McCain's case) to know how to use it. That is the point. That is what many think about this particular issue, and that is something that McCain does not need people to think. His age is an issue, and the computer issue for him just validates the issue of "he's too old, he's outdated, he's not modern, so how can he run the country in the 21st Century?"
Arguing with me personally about this is pointless. I'm pointing out the issue, not trying to slam McCain as president.
The topic, like it or not, is valid in assessing the parties' candidates for presidency. People have the right to know what these candidates' weaknesses are. Republicans don't hesitate to point out Obama's weaknesses, and you can bet the Dems will do the same.
People of all political persuasions should be assessing these weakness rather than playing like they are watching a football game with the "my team is better than your team" mentality. This is a presidential election. Being blind, deaf, and dumb does not serve this country.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2756261
People, just because McCain has a My Space page, or his own web-page for that matter, doesn't mean that he knows how to use a computer. He has people working for him that make many of the decision regarding how his campaign runs, including putting up campaign web-pages.
Neither candidate put up their own web-pages, nor would I expect that they should. Come on, lets not be silly.
And how do you know he doesn't? Fact is he utilizes them so he obviously understands their importance. If a candidate doesn't know how a power plant works or how to replace a light switch somehow make them less qualified?
The whole point here is the party of tolerance, diversity and inclusion
is attacking a man for a situation that is a direct result of a disability.
 

veni vidi vici

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I guess i would want to know then ,what a President needs to be PC literate for?Would it make him a better president?
The question at hand is does it play a role in the ability of the candidate to be the President of the United States or America.I dont think so .So why on GODS green earth does anyone care.Some people in this country still like to write on paper,read books,send mail through the USPS and talk to people in person.
These types of issues take away from the important issues,and being PC literate just dosent qualify as one of them.
 

bigarn

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2756442
I guess i would want to know then ,what a President needs to be PC literate for?Would it make him a better president?
The question at hand is does it play a role in the ability of the candidate to be the President of the United States or America.I dont think so .So why on GODS green earth does anyone care.Some people in this country still like to write on paper,read books,send mail through the USPS and talk to people in person.
These types of issues take away from the important issues,and being PC literate just dosent qualify as one of them.
I agree 100% ....
 

beth

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Again, the issue or claim is that he can't operate a computer.......why can't he? Is it because he is too old and can't get it? If that is the reason, then that is important in considering his mental abilities as a president. Its important if you wonder what else he does that is stuck in a by-gone era....What else can't he do?
This is an implication of incompetence in the area of modernism and technology. Yes, I think a president does need to be modern, regardless of age. This is not the 80s. You can bet that our enemies will also see these things as deficits and will try to exploit them.
 

cranberry

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Does anyone else think that these grown adults look like children on a playground? People complain all the time about other americans not being involved in the politcal process and not voting.... why would anyone want to be involved?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2756454
Again, the issue or claim is that he can't operate a computer.......why can't he? Is it because he is too old and can't get it? If that is the reason, then that is important in considering his mental abilities as a president. Its important if you wonder what else he does that is stuck in a by-gone era....What else can't he do?
This is an implication of incompetence in the area of modernism and technology. Yes, I think a president does need to be modern, regardless of age. This is not the 80s. You can bet that our enemies will also see these things as deficits and will try to exploit them.
LOL, President McCain doesn't know how to use a computer, lets invade them

Hello, the man's injuries from his POW days left him unable to ties his own shoes too. I guess not being able to tie your own shoe laces is as good a reason not to vote for someone as anything
 

jacknjill

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2755247
Please. You're relying on a video on YouTube?

Have you ever heard of video editing? The people who put stuff on YouTube are experts at modifying videos to make them look realistic. I especially like the final clip of how Obama approved the message. Yeaaa, there's no place that clip couldn't get grabbed for editing.
Show me where this has run on any national TV station or cable network.
I see that ad played on my tv every day...
 

jerthunter

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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2756345
Does anyone here think that Obama doesn't know how to use a computer, or how to send email, or how to navigate web-pages? No, everyone knows that he knows how to do this.
The fact that this lack of knowledge and/or ability pertaining to McCain is widely known by the public is a deficit to McCain and his campaign for president. The fact that he is a senior citizen and many will think that he can't operate a computer because he is too old is a deficit in his candidacy. Any deficient is a strike against that candidate, and a deficit that is so utterly mainstreamed into our society (the use of a computer) is mind-boggling to many. A 4 year old child knows how to use a computer. Its an instrument that is in common use by everyone. And, as a leader of the most powerful country in the world, use of a computer should be a non-issue for a president.
Jerthunter, there are actually more uses for a computer than IMing....hard to believe, but true.


Of course there are wondeful things like saltwater aquarium forums...
However, (I will attempt to be serious for a moment), I cannot think of one thing that the president does or should do that requires the ability (physical or mental) to use a computer. As you pointed out, these candidates have huge staffs that end up doing alot of this stuff. And once in office their numer of aides doesn't go down. So if McCain were to get an e-mail from a country declaring war on the US, I would imagine one of his staffers would be able to print it out for him to read (Ok, I tried to be serious but it didn't last).
 

bigarn

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I think the only piece of "state of the art" equipment he'd be required to operate is the "football".
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2756464
LOL, President McCain doesn't know how to use a computer, lets invade them

Hello, the man's injuries from his POW days left him unable to ties his own shoes too. I guess not being able to tie your own shoe laces is as good a reason not to vote for someone as anything

Well if he couldnt use velcro in place of shoe laces i might have a problem with him
.I hope the American people dont vote on issues like this or we are in a lot of trouble in this country.IMO it a non-issue.I would hope this country istnt that stupid.
 
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