obama is pathetic

gemmy

gemmy

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/389252/obama-is-pathetic#post_3439125
A fowl or fish is not the same thing as a large mammal and the conversation was about horses. Also, cows have a cloven hoof-you know, split and not one solid hoof like say...a horse! Here I was trying to stay out of religion. Large animals with a solid hoof are prohibited in the scripture-so donkeys, mules and horses are verboten. I know pigs are too, but man, I love me some bacon and ham.
I see some hypocrisy here......
 
deejeff442

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lol.just got another email from obama.it says
friend,bla bla bla .i would like to meet you just send $3 for a chance to win a dinner with me .
michelle
losers
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/389252/obama-is-pathetic#post_3438978
Republicans should focus on their own candidates, all of whom have a lot of baggage or are just unelectable, rather than worrying about Obama's ratings. I can't believe that the offering the GOP has this election year is the same old tired stuff.
If Obama can get elected, then NO one is "unelectable."
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Originally Posted by smartorl http:///t/389252/obama-is-pathetic#post_3439050
I'm angry about him being a catalyst into making equine slaughter legal in the US again. While, I am not against horse slaughter per se, he totally flip flopped from his prior adamant stance which leaves me scratching my head.
The biggest issue is still the lack of regulation which was absent before which he has discussed as being horrific. Now it's back with no more regulation than before.
I think anyone who eats meat would be a hypocrit to criticize animal slaughter. Why one animal such as a cow or pig is ok and another variety of livestock isn't is rather short sighted. I would rather see a quick death as opposed to the vast overpopulation starving to death in a sandlot somewhere.
The problem comes in that there is no regulation as to how they get to the slaughterhouses, their care during this process, and the time frame. It was not uncommon before for these animals to be injured or die in transit and/or not to be fed or watered for days. There are rules in place for cows, pigs, and even chickens.
I find it amusing that you key off on the horse issue. With all the other ones to pick up...
Not that I really come down one way or the other on slaughtering or not slaughtering horses. The argument for slaughtering horses, domestically, has some good points.
They point to ballooning cases of animal abuse with horses after the ban. And attribute it to the ban.
The also point out that transportation to Mexico or Canada where it is legal, is very inhumane. And would have been avoided had they been slaughtered here in the states.
Now whether allowing slaughterhouses for horses is a good or bad thing, I don't know. But the unintended consequences of the ban may be worse than what they were trying to ban in the first place...
 
stdreb27

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Funny side note, Obama has done this periodically as a fundraising tool since he got elected (I don't know if he did that before hand too) But when Obama first started doing it, they had to change the program, because they ran it like a lotto. Where you had to buy a ticket for a chance to win. And well, that is gambling and not legal in most states.
 
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dragonzim

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From what I understand, the US is pretty much one of the only country's out there that does not currently eat horse meat. Its supposed to be delicious!
 
deejeff442

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well if my horse kicks me again i will let you know how he tastes.i have a red and purple bruise about 6 inches wide on the side of my hip .stupid animals
 
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smartorl

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I actually had it in France. It was very much like elk or venison, rich but not gamey.
Streb, I know, it was just one more complete 180 degree flip flop but rather like the straw that broke the camels back. He was so adamant about this issue before.
I love horses, I rescue horses and would never, ever considering selling one of mine to a slaughterhouse. I also hate going to the shelter and seeing the dogs that are going to die. I also hate playing with the calves at the barn and then having them go away to the feedlots in route to the slaughterhouses. But if you eat meat, you are a hypocrit to champion one animal yet chow down on the others.
But as mentioned before, when we outlawed them before, it didn't stop slaughter, it had horses loaded onto trailers made for cattle that caused a lot of injuries and traveling for many days with no food or water, often sick or injured, either in to Canada or Mexico where there were no regulations in place. It made Hell ten times worse. These animals were often leaving one climate and either heading into sweltering heat or freezing cold which they were unprepared for.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by smartorl http:///t/389252/obama-is-pathetic/20#post_3439198
I actually had it in France. It was very much like elk or venison, rich but not gamey.
Streb, I know, it was just one more complete 180 degree flip flop but rather like the straw that broke the camels back. He was so adamant about this issue before.
I love horses, I rescue horses and would never, ever considering selling one of mine to a slaughterhouse. I also hate going to the shelter and seeing the dogs that are going to die. I also hate playing with the calves at the barn and then having them go away to the feedlots in route to the slaughterhouses. But if you eat meat, you are a hypocrit to champion one animal yet chow down on the others.
But as mentioned before, when we outlawed them before, it didn't stop slaughter, it had horses loaded onto trailers made for cattle that caused a lot of injuries and traveling for many days with no food or water, often sick or injured, either in to Canada or Mexico where there were no regulations in place. It made Hell ten times worse. These animals were often leaving one climate and either heading into sweltering heat or freezing cold which they were unprepared for.
Policy wise, it isn't quite lifting a ban as it is, not providing additional funding for enforcement. (at least from what I could tell) why that makes it now legal now. Beats me. There are always logical holes in what is reported.
And hey, you're not a hypocrite for eating meat. While protecting the "cute" ones. Personally, (don't ask me why) but Cows are one of the most beautiful animals ever. I love beef. Fish are in the same boat... I'm all for actual preservation. (actual being the key word) But I'm not going to save some animal just so it can be eaten by some other animal and not me...
 
mantisman51

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In Idaho and Nevada their numbers have got so out of hand they were eating all their forage and starving, so starting in the '80's the BLM started rounding them up and adopting them. The market has been saturated and they are again starving en masse. I don't like the idea of butchering horses, but these are not Black Beauty, I adopted one in 1984 and that thing would try to kill you. I ended up giving it to a friend who led it into the Snake River and tried to break it the old Indian way, but the last time he saw it, it had swam the 3/4 mile across the river and was running as fast as it could down the river bank. They were using them for dog food, but that was banned, too. I don't know what the answer is, but slaughter seems to be the only humane way to keep them from starving.
 
darthtang aw

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You are 100% correct. I am hypocritical in that regard. I give myself a break on that part because pigs are so much cleaner now than they were 2000 years ago. But yes, I still eat as little as possible and feel guilty for it.
How is that? cleaner? than 2000 years ago? do they suddenly carry hand sanitizer in their back pocket?
,do you not allow your wife in your bed during that time either?
darth (thou shall not follow dumb rules) Tang
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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If that bruise gets any bigger go see a doc. Deep bruising on you upper leg can be dangerous.
that is what I keep telling my wife.
darth (the hammer) Tang
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/389252/obama-is-pathetic/20#post_3439223
How is that? cleaner? than 2000 years ago? do they suddenly carry hand sanitizer in their back pocket?
darth (thou shall not follow dumb rules) Tang
You can clean a pig out, before you eat him, (something developed in more recent history) by diet and stuff. Makes him less gamey, and addresses the parasitic issues.
That is why they trap em. then pen em, then eat em.
std (redkneck101) reb27
 
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smartorl

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Huh, here I thought they penned 'em because they didn't have an "ole lady".
 
mantisman51

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///t/389252/obama-is-pathetic/20#post_3439229
You can clean a pig out, before you eat him, (something developed in more recent history) by diet and stuff. Makes him less gamey, and addresses the parasitic issues.
That is why they trap em. then pen em, then eat em.
std (redkneck101) reb27
That's exactly the point. For instance, they now use concrete floors for the pens so the feces is flushed out several times a day and they now have effective anti-parasitics. Tape worm is not a stupid reason to not eat pork. The Judaic laws regarding food (now called Kosher) have been scientifically proven to make people healthier and while today because of improved hygiene and refrigeration it is really not as important, I kinda think that when we keep what seems to be silly religious tradition, we are keeping and honoring God in our heart.
mantis(that's why I wanted to leave religion out of it)man51
 
slice

slice

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How did we get from "Obama is pathetic" to "pig feces"?...oh wait...
-sorry, its been a long week...
 
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