Obama Supporters Only Thread

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2588833
What is more of a serious problem... A persons personal behavior (ethics) or a words said by someone else who is not part of the candidacy?
I think there is a clear difference... if you want to judge someone...
You also have to question McCain's ethics... he is guilty of breaking a political policy he created. He is basically cheating when it comes to the financing of his campaign.
Vs, a president who DONATED money to the promotion of CLEAR anti American world view by obamas pastor.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2588836
Vs, a president who DONATED money to the promotion of CLEAR anti American world view by obamas pastor.
If you equate racial bias, and the negative history of America as the ideal of what America is than yes... My opinion of it is not anti-American, but more anti-oppression. We have issues that haven overlooked... Wright has the right to say what he wants.... Obama has addressed it... I believe him. He appears to be the person he says he is. We all want a better America.. you and I.. Obama... and even Wright. Wright's views may be unpopular... but he wants the same things as everyone else... The freedom and access as every other American to education, food, jobs, justice, homeownership...etc.
Oh, and I believe Clinton's ex-pastor has been in prison over tax evasion.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2588916
If you equate racial bias, and the negative history of America as the ideal of what America is than yes... My opinion of it is not anti-American, but more anti-oppression. We have issues that haven overlooked... Wright has the right to say what he wants.... Obama has addressed it... I believe him. He appears to be the person he says he is. We all want a better America.. you and I.. Obama... and even Wright. Wright's views may be unpopular... but he wants the same things as everyone else... The freedom and access as every other American to education, food, jobs, justice, homeownership...etc.
Oh, and I believe Clinton's ex-pastor has been in prison over tax evasion.
You have a serious problem with your argument, Obama today, said that his pastor has equated American military action to terrorism.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2588916
If you equate racial bias, and the negative history of America as the ideal of what America is than yes... My opinion of it is not anti-American, but more anti-oppression. We have issues that haven overlooked... Wright has the right to say what he wants.... Obama has addressed it... I believe him. He appears to be the person he says he is. We all want a better America.. you and I.. Obama... and even Wright. Wright's views may be unpopular... but he wants the same things as everyone else... The freedom and access as every other American to education, food, jobs, justice, homeownership...etc.
Now you are defending Wright? This shows so much.
Ok, two points. Yes Obama denounced him. Finally. However Wright said nothing different now than was what was said then and pointed out. So what changed his mind. Even if he did change his mind. This is a guy that has been close to Obama for years. If Obama didn't know, then it shows his inability to judge character and truly see people for who or what they are. This makes him unfit to be the leader of this country. How can I trust Obama to understand my wants, needs, desires and everything else if he didn't even know what a guy he knew 20 years wanted. This tells me he can't read or understand people well and when dealing with foreign leaders this is a huge must.
Second and a little off the subject but not much. I believe Wright doesn't want Obama to win. If Obama wins and becomes president the argument that the U.S. is a racism filled country will not hold water anymore. Thus the pastor and a lot of pro-black organizations that raise money off this precedent will be out a lot of money.
As it sits now we had Condi Rice and Collin Powell be called "the token black face" in the white house and cabinet and so certain organizations could still pull the race card. However if Obama is elected you will see a lot change and groups like the Black Panthers and Wright will not be able to generate the same amount of money based off 200 year old wounds.
There is a small side of me that would like to see Obama win, just so this "wound" can be closed and not brought back around. The groups such as Black Panthers will have nothing to go on after this. Race will be a non issue.......This is the ONLY good I see out of an Obama presidency as it will show the world and ourselves regardless of race, creed, or ---, any can make it in this country.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2588916
Wright's views may be unpopular... but he wants the same things as everyone else... The freedom and access as every other American to education, food, jobs, justice, homeownership...etc.
.

I don't think he is hard up for any of this after siphoning a lot of money out of the black community preaching hate and receiving pity.....I wonder how many black kids his mansion and money could educate............

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2588828
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The Gas Tax is an issue that has come up that Clinton and McCain are backing... I applaud Obama for not falling into this political mind game that these two candidates are playing... This will not ease the costs we see at the pump... Over 3 months it will only save you an estimated $28-$30. Not much is it...
Additionally it is likely it will cause prices to increase because it will increase the demand of oil... this does not address the need for improved infrastructure because it takes $10 billion in funding from those projects... which will cause job losses for construction workers.
The cost savings will also be passed along to oil companies instead of consumers because basically they will be making more money and will see more of that $.18 than we will at the pump in their bank accounts. The leading economists are saying the proposal is a bad idea , which shows that Obama is more in touch with americans than any other candidate, and it shows that his judgement is better than the other two, and that he is not looking for short term political solutions that in the long run hurt us more than it helps.
Lets be real people and look at what is really going on and who has our best interests in mind.
I would think 30 dollars every 3 months would be a good savings for people that don't have jobs, can't get education, have no health insurance, and need food...........I mean our country is full of people like this....According to Obama. And it is tax, which means it is applied AFTER the sale of gasoline, so the oil companies have no reason to raise their price.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2588956
Now you are defending Wright? This shows so much.
Ok, two points. Yes Obama denounced him. Finally. However Wright said nothing different now than was what was said then and pointed out. So what changed his mind. Even if he did change his mind. This is a guy that has been close to Obama for years. If Obama didn't know, then it shows his inability to judge character and truly see people for who or what they are. This makes him unfit to be the leader of this country. How can I trust Obama to understand my wants, needs, desires and everything else if he didn't even know what a guy he knew 20 years wanted. This tells me he can't read or understand people well and when dealing with foreign leaders this is a huge must.
Second and a little off the subject but not much. I believe Wright doesn't want Obama to win. If Obama wins and becomes president the argument that the U.S. is a racism filled country will not hold water anymore. Thus the pastor and a lot of pro-black organizations that raise money off this precedent will be out a lot of money.
As it sits now we had Condi Rice and Collin Powell be called "the token black face" in the white house and cabinet and so certain organizations could still pull the race card. However if Obama is elected you will see a lot change and groups like the Black Panthers and Wright will not be able to generate the same amount of money based off 200 year old wounds.
There is a small side of me that would like to see Obama win, just so this "wound" can be closed and not brought back around. The groups such as Black Panthers will have nothing to go on after this. Race will be a non issue.......This is the ONLY good I see out of an Obama presidency as it will show the world and ourselves regardless of race, creed, or ---, any can make it in this country.

I agree with your second point 100%

 

[stdreb27]

If I thought it would end the whining of Obama's pastor, Harrykong, jesse jackson and those other extreemists I'd vote for obama. But it won't. It will be put these characters in the spotlight and give them a megaphone and 2 very important ears.

 

[crashbandicoot]

Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2584826
ok. i wish him luck, my husbands leaving too next month.
what is your mos 1journeyman

Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2584838
ok then you dont know what i know. my husband is actually IN the military and his unit is in the most dangerous city in iraq and have had 7 die in 2 weeks. and in case you didnt know people that are in the military do know more than is being released to the media.

So just for the record is your husband in the states waiting to deploy or is he down range ?

 

[armywife1314]

leaves next month.

 

[crashbandicoot]

So tie this together for me please . How is it that he hasn't rotated in but yet you know all this first hand info that us "civilians " aren't privy to ?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2588828
This election is not about the pastors... nor is it about prior military service... or about gay marriage... Lets concentrate on this issues, and not be mislead as we have been in the past.
The Gas Tax is an issue that has come up that Clinton and McCain are backing... I applaud Obama for not falling into this political mind game that these two candidates are playing... This will not ease the costs we see at the pump... Over 3 months it will only save you an estimated $28-$30. Not much is it...
Additionally it is likely it will cause prices to increase because it will increase the demand of oil... this does not address the need for improved infrastructure because it takes $10 billion in funding from those projects... which will cause job losses for construction workers.
The cost savings will also be passed along to oil companies instead of consumers because basically they will be making more money and will see more of that $.18 than we will at the pump in their bank accounts. The leading economists are saying the proposal is a bad idea , which shows that Obama is more in touch with americans than any other candidate, and it shows that his judgement is better than the other two, and that he is not looking for short term political solutions that in the long run hurt us more than it helps.
Lets be real people and look at what is really going on and who has our best interests in mind.
*The issue is about the type of judges Obama would appoint and the type of Cabinet he would surround himself with, Ambassadors he would appoint, etc. Sorry, Rylan, his poor judgment is very relevant.
*What does Obama propose to do about gas prices? You think the price of oil will go down when we withdraw from Iraq and Sadr's militia begin to run Basra?
He doesn't have my best interests in mind... He doesn't have a clue about me or my interests. I'm just a "typical white person" to him.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2588833
What is more of a serious problem... A persons personal behavior (ethics) or a words said by someone else who is not part of the candidacy? ....
You keep dodging the fact that "rev" Wright was a staff member of Obama's campaign...

 

[suzy]

One thing I don't think has been discussed about Obamas charisma is his ability to draw in new voters. It might be Clinton, too but he is winning the fundraising campaigns. On the Sunday talk shows, one of the guests stated that Dems are outnumbering Repugs in new voter registration by at least 2:1, and in most cities, much more than that. People are pumped about voting. That rox!

 

[suzy]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2588347
Please explain how Mr. Obama's socialist beliefs will stand up to our Constitution.

He will stand up for the Constitution be repealing the "Patriot"
act!
Taking back what we stand for! Yahooooooo! We are going to be America again!

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2589515
You keep dodging the fact that "rev" Wright was a staff member of Obama's campaign...
as a religious advisor... not a political advisor... you act as if he was the Secretary of Defense or something... and advisor... not a decision maker...
Second, look at Clinton's advisor.. actually he had a larger role.. I think he was running the campaign... the person I am speaking about is the guy who meeting with Columbian officials about a new trade policy that Clinton said publically she was against... This should be more of a concern.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2589510
*The issue is about the type of judges Obama would appoint and the type of Cabinet he would surround himself with, Ambassadors he would appoint, etc. Sorry, Rylan, his poor judgment is very relevant.
*What does Obama propose to do about gas prices? You think the price of oil will go down when we withdraw from Iraq and Sadr's militia begin to run Basra?
He doesn't have my best interests in mind... He doesn't have a clue about me or my interests. I'm just a "typical white person" to him.
He has said what the problem is with gas... and is offering a real solution instead of a bandaid, and is not pandering for votes based on what people want to hear, but is bad policy that would make things worse..

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2588967
I agree with your second point 100%
though I would like to believe that race would be a non issue... I think Obama would give minorities more hope, and he would address issues... however race issues will still be a problem.... it takes more to solve our issues than just electing a black man...
I think the whole Wright thing is more about ego than Obama.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2588752
The big difference is, that Clinton's pastor, hasn't gone on the record saying hateful things about this great country. Clinton and her lack of ethics, is another serious problem and I'd never vote for her because of it.
Lets make something clear..someone who says something racist or inappropriate is one thing ... but to say the big difference b/w a pedophile and a hatemonger is he hasn't gone on record...
How much more bias can you be?
I don't know if this her pastor or not, but isn't her brother or something like that in jail?
If you want to question if someone is racist.. lets look at their record... McCain's record indicates he may be racist right?

 

[reefraff]

Anybody "Might" be anything. On the other hand we know Obama associated himself with a racist anti-American he calls his spiritual advisor for over 20 years.