Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

keish24

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i dont own nor do i plan to own an "assult weapon" as it is now defined. however having said that i do not support this ban in any way shape or form. it is the first step. how long before they redefine what an assult weapon is and take away a few more of the guns we can own? they wont take our 2nd amendment away over night. it will happen little by little.....ever heard the expression "you give them an inch and they take a mile".
 
1journeyman

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My God people need to learn history...
The founding fathers did not in any way set to limit gun ownership. They believed it was the right of the people to bear arms. They didn't say "you can't have the best quality gun, though... those are just for the military".
Furthermore, read and understand Letters of Marque and how the Founding Fathers used them. The freakin Constitution of the United States (Article 1 Section 8), of which so many of you seem willing to throw out, specifically calls for the right of the Government to use private citizens as their Navy! Are any of you trying to tell me the founding fathers allowed private citizens to outfit ships of war, yet would have limited assault rifles?
 
ruaround

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2970077
My God people need to learn history...
The founding fathers did not in any way set to limit gun ownership. They believed it was the right of the people to bear arms. They didn't say "you can't have the best quality gun, though... those are just for the military".
Furthermore, read and understand Letters of Marque and how the Founding Fathers used them. The freakin Constitution of the United States (Article 1 Section 8), of which so many of you seem willing to throw out, specifically calls for the right of the Government to use private citizens as their Navy! Are any of you trying to tell me the founding fathers allowed private citizens to outfit ships of war, yet would have limited assault rifles?
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2970077
My God people need to learn history...
The founding fathers did not in any way set to limit gun ownership. They believed it was the right of the people to bear arms. They didn't say "you can't have the best quality gun, though... those are just for the military".
Furthermore, read and understand Letters of Marque and how the Founding Fathers used them. The freakin Constitution of the United States (Article 1 Section 8), of which so many of you seem willing to throw out, specifically calls for the right of the Government to use private citizens as their Navy! Are any of you trying to tell me the founding fathers allowed private citizens to outfit ships of war, yet would have limited assault rifles?
Come on Journey... you think this is unlimited? Do you think that people should also be able to purchase hand grenades and rocket launchers on the open market?
You equate this to our forefathers using muskets to fight their enemies!!! And who needs to learn a bit more about history?
 
jp30338

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socal57che;2970039 said:
Um...Hitler enacted gun bans on the premise of public safety. After the people were disarmed, he herded them like cattle to slaughter.
History needs to be taught in school. Obviously, our teachers are missing something.
This page shows a chart regarding disarmament and government atrocities...
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm
2nd amendment info...
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/six-about-2nd.htm[/
LOL. You truly think the current government is trying to disarm us citizens so they can start mass killings??? WOW
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1journeyman

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2970087
Come on Journey... you think this is unlimited? Do you think that people should also be able to purchase hand grenades and rocket launchers on the open market?
You equate this to our forefathers using muskets to fight their enemies!!! And who needs to learn a bit more about history?

Again... The Founding Fathers allowed private citizens to own BATTLESHIPS...
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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jp30338;2970091 said:
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2970039
Um...Hitler enacted gun bans on the premise of public safety. After the people were disarmed, he herded them like cattle to slaughter.
History needs to be taught in school. Obviously, our teachers are missing something.
This page shows a chart regarding disarmament and government atrocities...
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm
2nd amendment info...
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/six-about-2nd.htm[/
LOL. You truly think the current government is trying to disarm us citizens so they can start mass killings??? WOW
I wonder if some Jew living in Germany uttered those exact same words in 1939 era? But no i dont think this government plans on mass killing maybe just tyranny and oppression.
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jp30338

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2970054
Maybe so ,but I wouldnt be violating any law that wherent set forth by "MY FOREFATHERS"If we continue taking a big left turn i may be forced to exercise my rights.
I think socal answered your question.Thats what i was referencing.
Here is some more words that you can play the what is the definition of "IS" with
Shall Not Be Infringed
infringe
One entry found.
Main Entry:
in·fringe Listen to the pronunciation of infringe
Pronunciation:
in-ˈfrinj
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s):
in·fringed; in·fring·ing
Etymology:
Medieval Latin infringere, from Latin, to break, crush, from in- + frangere to break — more at break
Date:
1513
transitive verb1: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>2obsolete : defeat , frustrateintransitive verb: encroach —used with on or upon<infringe on our rights>
Actually you would be violating a law by murdering someone using a banned assualt style weapon, because you feel you were FORCED to protect some sort of right.
Remeber in prison you have NO rights ;)
 
jp30338

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Veni Vidi Vici;2970105 said:
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2970091
I wonder if some Jew living in Germany uttered those exact same words in 1939 era? But no i dont think this government plans on mass killing maybe just tyranny and oppression.
Tyranny and oppression in a 21st century U.S.A
RIGHT
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veni vidi vici

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jp30338;2970110 said:
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2970105
Tyranny and oppression in a 21st century U.S.A
RIGHT

When the government starts removing your rights that is exactly what you get and that is exactly what is happening slowly but surely.
If you cant see open your eyes.Its the little things that sneak up on you, and before you know it you will be saying."How in the hell did this happen"
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bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2970097
Again... The Founding Fathers allowed private citizens to own BATTLESHIPS...
Journey get out of that Iraqi sun, it's frying your brain.
Your interpretation of Article 1, Section 8 is hilarious. Please Oh please show me where it states in that decree that private citizens could own battleships. It declared that CONGRESS had the power to provide and maintain a Navy -- To provide and maintain a Navy.
It declares CONGRESS can form a militia (i.e. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines... Be All That You Can Be). -- To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.
Letter of Marque
Archaic. A letter of marque was issued by a nation to a privateer or mercenary to act on the behalf of that nation for the purpose of retaliating against another nation for some wrong, such as a border incursion or seizure.
And you tell us to learn history?
 
bionicarm

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Veni Vidi Vici;2970120 said:
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2970110
When the government starts removing your rights that is exactly what you get and that is exactly what is happening slowly but surely.
If you cant see open your eyes.Its the little things that sneak up on you, and before you know it you will be saying."How in the hell did this happen"
Go watch that TV series 'Jericho'. It's right up your alley.
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wattsupdoc

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2969849
HAHA, wtach out, the U.S. is going to be invaded LMAO!! You cant be serious...
In all likely hood in today's world. Not likely. But 100 years from now, or even 30 who knows? Can you tell the future?
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2969852
Evryone hurry and stock up on the assualt weapons, another group of 12 terrorists are going to take over the U.S.

How disrespectful to those who died and the families they left behind just a few years back.

Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2969936
What was good back in those days, does not make it good now...
The reason they wanted its citizens to bear arms was to protect the country, since the military was unable to. This has no meaning in todays society, we have a very capable military, police, etc. to do the JOB.
If this is the case then how do you know that 30 years from now, an assault rifle may be needed to protect your grandchildren. Actually hopefully they will remove the right to bear children by that time and your bloodline will be cut off....Hopefully....
Ask any military official they will tell you that we would have a very difficult time even taking on a "Tiny"(in Barrack's words) country like Iran. Being as extended as our military already is..
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2970087
Come on Journey... you think this is unlimited? Do you think that people should also be able to purchase hand grenades and rocket launchers on the open market?
You equate this to our forefathers using muskets to fight their enemies!!! And who needs to learn a bit more about history?

v> YES! I believe I have the right to own a Sherman tank if I can afford it. I probably should have to register it, pay taxes on it, maybe even take a Tank 101 safety course.
But If I want one... I wish someone around here had a rocket launcher.
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2970091
LOL. You truly think the current government is trying to disarm us citizens so they can start mass killings??? WOW
Definitely they are trying to disarm us. Isn't Yobammas home town one of the most anti firearm cities in the country? I might be wrong, but I believe it is..
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2970109
Actually you would be violating a law by murdering someone using a banned assualt style weapon, because you feel you were FORCED to protect some sort of right.
Remeber in prison you have NO rights ;)
There wont be no prison in that scenario, cause we'll all DIE DEFENDING THAT RIGHT! Oh, wait, you never even considered dieng for any of your rights did you.

Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2970110
Tyranny and oppression in a 21st century U.S.A
RIGHT

Fortune telling again? Please tell me tomorows lotto numbers while your at it.
JP, your attitude is a cowardly perception. It is one that make me soooo ashamed of many Americans today. Many are not willing to die for their freedom. Oh, they want to believe they have freedom. They aren't though at all very grateful for it. My ancestors have been here since 1660. My ancestors have spilled blood in every war all over the world defending Americans...ALL Americans even those who criticize and humiliate them for doing so. Cowards, like those that possess your frame of mind included.
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2970110
Tyranny and oppression in a 21st century U.S.A
RIGHT

Having rights repealed is a perfect example of the oppression you just mentioned, yet you fail to see it.
I met David Faber at a book signing a couple years ago. I think he would agree with me, that infringement on the right to bear arms is a very bad thing.
Germany is not some tiny third world country. Eccentric people rose to power and abused that power to control the population. This happened a mere 60 years ago...not medieval europe.
 
auroradrvr

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The 2nd Amendment is to protect citizens against a Tyrannical Government. It reserves our right to arms as citizens incase we ever shall need to protect ourselves against the Government. Surely we will here soon.
All I'm saying is, if you do not think another revolution is ever going to happen, your sadly mistaken or blind.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2970139
Journey get out of that Iraqi sun, it's frying your brain.
Your interpretation of Article 1, Section 8 is hilarious. Please Oh please show me where it states in that decree that private citizens could own battleships. It declared that CONGRESS had the power to provide and maintain a Navy -- To provide and maintain a Navy.
It declares CONGRESS can form a militia (i.e. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines... Be All That You Can Be). -- To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.
Letter of Marque
Archaic. A letter of marque was issued by a nation to a privateer or mercenary to act on the behalf of that nation for the purpose of retaliating against another nation for some wrong, such as a border incursion or seizure.
And you tell us to learn history?
Wow... the Iraqi sun insult again... ouch. It hurt even worse this time... Bionic, any chance you'll ever participate in a civil discussion without trying to personally insult people?
You are wrong, btw.
Article 1, section 8 allowed Congress to provide Letters of Marques to "Privateers".
There are no restrictions listed as to how big of a warship the private citizen could maintain to perform as a Privateer. Thus, a private citizen could in fact have owned a Battleship and been employed by the Congress of the Founding Fathers.
 
jp30338

jp30338

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Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2970151
In all likely hood in today's world. Not likely. But 100 years from now, or even 30 who knows? Can you tell the future?
How disrespectful to those who died and the families they left behind just a few years back.

If this is the case then how do you know that 30 years from now, an assault rifle may be needed to protect your grandchildren. Actually hopefully they will remove the right to bear children by that time and your bloodline will be cut off....Hopefully....
Ask any military official they will tell you that we would have a very difficult time even taking on a "Tiny"(in Barrack's words) country like Iran. Being as extended as our military already is..
YES! I believe I have the right to own a Sherman tank if I can afford it. I probably should have to register it, pay taxes on it, maybe even take a Tank 101 safety course.
But If I want one... I wish someone around here had a rocket launcher.
Definitely they are trying to disarm us. Isn't Yobammas home town one of the most anti firearm cities in the country? I might be wrong, but I believe it is..
There wont be no prison in that scenario, cause we'll all DIE DEFENDING THAT RIGHT! Oh, wait, you never even considered dieng for any of your rights did you.

Fortune telling again? Please tell me tomorows lotto numbers while your at it.
JP, your attitude is a cowardly perception. It is one that make me soooo ashamed of many Americans today. Many are not willing to die for their freedom. Oh, they want to believe they have freedom. They aren't though at all very grateful for it. My ancestors have been here since 1660. My ancestors have spilled blood in every war all over the world defending Americans...ALL Americans even those who criticize and humiliate them for doing so. Cowards, like those that possess your frame of mind included.
So everyone that does not own a gun or dislikes them and wants peace over war is a coward?
Yes, you are right I am not willing to die for freedom, that is what we have a volunteer military for
 
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