Obama wins!

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2633277
yea, george bush messed us up then too
I include him, though obviously to a much smaller extent than his successor.
Had he ignored the UN, put a large enough US force on the ground in Saudi, told our Arab "allies" they were either for us or against us, and drove straight into Baghdad in 1990 the Iraqi Democracy would be 18 years now...

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2633035
We are witnessing a historic moment in American History... regardless of who you support...many people didn't believe this would happen ...at least this soon.
Yes, the first socialist to win the primary. Sen Obama's own words mark him as a socialist.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2633035
Keep in mind that 43 years ago was the day that the Voting Rights Act was inacted...and it will be 45 on the day of the convention that MLK gave "I Have a Dream" speech. It would have been significant if Clinton won, because she is a woman... but I believe it is more significant because a racial minority has won....there has at least been a woman as a VP on a ticket..

The Republicans pushed it through over the objections of Al Gore Sr and other DEMOCRATS
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2633035
The majority of people are not voting for him because of race... You could also argue that a good # of people voted for McCain because he is a white male...and people who voted for Clinton because she is a woman and white... There are also people who voted against Obama because of his heritage and he is black. So lets cancels those out because it exists on all sides..
I would argue that being black has been a bigger hurdle because this is precedented moment... Keep in mind that he has had Secret Service protecting him for this whole election cycle.
Yup, alls us clingin' to our guns n religion n such really not gonna vote for heem.
Obama's changing his tune about "unconditional" talks with Iran. Of course he was speaking to a Jewish group at the time.
Change.... to fit the group you are pandering to.
I'd make a better President than Sen Obama.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2633214
and? is him being the first black person to win the nomination actually going to do anything? is it going to cause the price of gas and groceries to go down? is it going to cause the Jews and Palestinians to embrace each other? is it going to stop the genocide in Darfur? no, no, and no. he's a politician that won the nomination. his race should have nothing to do with it.
and there's no comparison imo between Obama and Jackie Robinson. no offense to Mr Robinson, but he was a baseball player, not trying to be leader of the free world.
but if you do want to make that comparison......Jackie Robinson got into the league and then proved himself to be a HOF player. if he's batted .200 with 2 HRs, not much would've been made of it. so if you really want to want to make the comparison, then you should wait until Obama actually becomes president and does something good with it. because if he gets there and becomes Jimmy Carter part 2, then being "the first black president" isn't going to amount to a hill of beans.
Well this is my contention. It really isn't bad, so if we elect the moron as prez, then suddenly the sun will come out and the rainbow will shine. Well at least in the eyes of the media. And all the brain washed robots who can't think for themselves. (you know those people who think we are in a recession) will suddenly find themselves in a utopia once again. Until they bring the misery index back.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2633435
Well this is my contention. It really isn't bad, so if we elect the moron as prez, then suddenly the sun will come out and the rainbow will shine. Well at least in the eyes of the media. And all the brain washed robots who can't think for themselves. (you know those people who think we are in a recession) will suddenly find themselves in a utopia once again. Until they bring the misery index back.
no, because when Obama falls flat on his face as prez, which I think that he will, it'll all be because of 8 years of Bush, not anything that Obama did or didn't do. he's already shown that he's teflon and above reproach. and if you try to bring up any valid point against him, it's because you must be racist and don't want a black president. when John McCain is the best choice for president, we're in bad shape as a country.

 

[armywife1314]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2633509
no, because when Obama falls flat on his face as prez, which I think that he will, it'll all be because of 8 years of Bush, not anything that Obama did or didn't do. he's already shown that he's teflon and above reproach. and if you try to bring up any valid point against him, it's because you must be racist and don't want a black president. when John McCain is the best choice for president, we're in bad shape as a country.
+1

 

[louti]

I don't have a problem with a black president, but I do not want a racist black president. No more would I want a racist white president. Obama is pretty careful with his words; he's a good speaker. But have you heard his wife and preacher talk? I mean, if my wife was racist and I attended a church that had incredibly racist sermons, what would you assume about me?

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2633435
Well this is my contention. It really isn't bad, so if we elect the moron as prez, then suddenly the sun will come out and the rainbow will shine. Well at least in the eyes of the media. And all the brain washed robots who can't think for themselves. (you know those people who think we are in a recession) will suddenly find themselves in a utopia once again. Until they bring the misery index back.
You're call Obama a moron? I guess through sure blind luck and chance he has accomplished everything he has in life

I love these types of remarks and it shows us what kind of person you are...that's the best you can come up with?

 

[el guapo]

Originally Posted by louti
http:///forum/post/2633546
I don't have a problem with a black president, but I do not want a racist black president. No more would I want a racist white president. Obama is pretty careful with his words; he's a good speaker. But have you heard his wife and preacher talk? I mean, if my wife was racist and I attended a church that had incredibly racist sermons, what would you assume about me?

If there is smoke its a good bet there is fire

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2633509
no, because when Obama falls flat on his face as prez, which I think that he will, it'll all be because of 8 years of Bush, not anything that Obama did or didn't do. he's already shown that he's teflon and above reproach. and if you try to bring up any valid point against him, it's because you must be racist and don't want a black president. when John McCain is the best choice for president, we're in bad shape as a country.
And blame bush crowd strikes again.

Actually you are more right than I'd like to admit, sadly bush had the stars aligned and didn't get the job done. And now we are here. With a republican candidate that almost changed parties, and a 3 year senator. Seriously.
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2633565
You're call Obama a moron? I guess through sure blind luck and chance he has accomplished everything he has in life

I love these types of remarks and it shows us what kind of person you are...that's the best you can come up with?
What again has he accomplished? Besides getting nominated to be president. And yes he is a moron, have you listened to what he said. Anyone who thinks that bigger government, higher taxes, and socialization of major industries is the way to go, is a moron.

 

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2633966
Anyone who thinks that bigger government, higher taxes, and socialization of major industries is the way to go, is a moron.
Sorry, but that sounds like GWB!!

 

[tizzo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2633146
I don't understand why its so hard to see the significance of this moment?
Because for the last umpteen years we hear "equal, equal equal", so finally a lot of America thinks blacks and whites are equal. Equal enough to look past skin color to cast a vote anyway. But now all of a sudden black are not equal! Now all of a sudden here comes this man from oppression and has clawed his way to the top and OMG, he's the first of his race to do that.
Please. Big deal he's black. Or half black. Now as an opener for supporting him, his "fans" can put you in a lose/ lose. You either support him, or your racist! What'll it be?
He made it, I'm happy for him. I don't get into politics much cause you either have to research both sides, or none at all. Because IMO to know all there is to know about one party is ignorant. To know and understand both is intelligent.
I will not spew little facts or opinions because quite frankly, I don't know any.
He made it. woop de do.
He will get votes because he's black.
He will get votes because he's democrat.
He will get votes cause people think they want change.
McCain will get votes cause he's white.
He'll get them cause he's republican.
And he'll get them because a lot of people don't see change as progress.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2633209
*He's for Carter era "windfall" taxes (They worked so well the first time)
*He publically stated he would meet unconditionally with our enemies
*He served on a Board with a known, admitted, domestic terrorist
*He voted the most liberally
*He's actively promoting a Socialist agenda
*He wants to weaken our military
Sadly, he has set himself apart in many ways...

So "windfall" taxes are worse than Bushes attempt to boost the economy with his tax rebate? So far, it doesn't appear to be helping. Everyone is either hoarding the money, or paying all their bills they've accumulated trying to stay above high food and gas prices.
And meeting with our enemies instead of just trying to annihilate them is a bad thing? Oh that's right. The USA isn't known as a pacifist country. Gotta show who the boss is. That's why every other country in the world despises us.
Give me a break. He's already debunked that ridiculous rumor about the terrorist. Just foder for the McCain backers.
What's wrong with voting liberally (unless you're an ultra-conservative).
If wanting a national healthcare system is socialist, then give me a better alternative. Medical and pharmacutical costs have tripled over the last 5 years, and there's no sign they will decrease. The Baby Boomers like me won't be able to even go to the doctor on the illustrious Medicare/Medicaid Plan by the time we need it because the funding will be gone just like Social Security.
Actually he wants to strengthen our military by bringing it back where it belongs, to American soil. The War Mongers just want to make it look like the old 'Cut and Run' routine W's daddy did in the first Gulf War.

 

[nwdyr]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2633075
Rylan, you don't think the world should see things in terms of race, right? then why should this be "lauded" as "significant"?? is he running for president as a black man or as a politician?? he's not the first politician that's won a nomination.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2633229
I have come to a decision....I am voting for Obama. I personally feel ths country deserves his policies...
I hear Australia is nice in January...................
You sound like Susan Sarandon. She claims she'll move to Australia if McCain wins.

 

[nwdyr]

I think anyone who refers to any human by race is racist

jmo

 

[tizzo]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2634110
If wanting a national healthcare system is socialist, then give me a better alternative. Medical and pharmacutical costs have tripled over the last 5 years, and there's no sign they will decrease. .
The medical bills will still hafta get paid. A national healthcare system simply means we all pay for it whether we need it or not via taxes. Another lose/lose. I want free healthcare, but OMG nobody TOLD me they were gonna take more outa my check!

If national healthcare is what you want, remember ALL the people without a job who also are entitled to the same priveledge! Somebody has to pay for that!
Same with education grants. Charlotte had up a million "Say yes to education" signs. So, they said yes, then got all riled up when their state taxes went up.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2634110
So "windfall" taxes are worse than Bushes attempt to boost the economy with his tax rebate? So far, it doesn't appear to be helping. Everyone is either hoarding the money, or paying all their bills they've accumulated trying to stay above high food and gas prices.
Yes, actually they are. A careful look at the oil crisis during the Carter administration will reveal to ya just how bad windfall taxes were for us as a Nation. When you punish the oil companies for selling oil here they move.... that leads to less oil reserve here. It happened under Carter and it will happen under Obama.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2634110
And meeting with our enemies instead of just trying to annihilate them is a bad thing? Oh that's right. The USA isn't known as a pacifist country. Gotta show who the boss is. That's why every other country in the world despises us.
Meeting, unconditionally, with our enemies of course is a bad thing. Look at Chamberlain's productive meeting with Hitler, Roosevelt's and Truman's meetings with Stalin, etc.
Sorry. The rest of the world doesn't despise us. Don't by that hype.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2634110
Give me a break. He's already debunked that ridiculous rumor about the terrorist. Just foder for the McCain backers.
Please show me where he debunked working with the Weather Underground founder..... Considering it is public knowledge that will be an entertaining tidbit.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2634110
What's wrong with voting liberally (unless you're an ultra-conservative).
If wanting a national healthcare system is socialist, then give me a better alternative. Medical and pharmacutical costs have tripled over the last 5 years, and there's no sign they will decrease. The Baby Boomers like me won't be able to even go to the doctor on the illustrious Medicare/Medicaid Plan by the time we need it because the funding will be gone just like Social Security.
Privatization is better than socialization. Baby boomers like my parents simply need to plan and budget health care into their retirements. To expect the Government to provide a public service like Health Care is absurd.
A
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2634110
ctually he wants to strengthen our military by bringing it back where it belongs, to American soil. The War Mongers just want to make it look like the old 'Cut and Run' routine W's daddy did in the first Gulf War.
Obama's plans for the military are on his webpage. Feel free to read up for it yourself. If you think cutting the budget for R&D will strengthen the military I highly suggest you study warfare and the history of our military.

 

[oscardeuce]

Because todays "liberal" is a Marxist. The "collective" (Karl Obama's own words) is unconstitutional. Federal healthcare is unconstitutional ( see 10th Ammendment). You want the people ( on both sides) who spent Medicare into bankrptcy controlling health care?
Why are liberty and capitalism so bad? Liberty and capitalism made us the most powerful and advanced nation on the planet.
"If Obamas wins, the Constitution loses."

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by MonaLisa
http:///forum/post/2634009
Sorry, but that sounds like GWB!!
I'm not sure I follow you, are you saying that that is GWB's policies? (which I'd agree with you to a point)
Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2634094
Because for the last umpteen years we hear "equal, equal equal", so finally a lot of America thinks blacks and whites are equal. Equal enough to look past skin color to cast a vote anyway. But now all of a sudden black are not equal! Now all of a sudden here comes this man from oppression and has clawed his way to the top and OMG, he's the first of his race to do that.
Please. Big deal he's black. Or half black. Now as an opener for supporting him, his "fans" can put you in a lose/ lose. You either support him, or your racist! What'll it be?
He made it, I'm happy for him. I don't get into politics much cause you either have to research both sides, or none at all. Because IMO to know all there is to know about one party is ignorant. To know and understand both is intelligent.
I will not spew little facts or opinions because quite frankly, I don't know any.
He made it. woop de do.
He will get votes because he's black.
He will get votes because he's democrat.
He will get votes cause people think they want change.
McCain will get votes cause he's white.
He'll get them cause he's republican.
And he'll get them because a lot of people don't see change as progress.
cynical, and well put.

 

[nwdyr]

Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/2633572
If there is smoke its a good bet there is fire

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE SAYS IT BESIDES ME

TOO BAD YOU WONT FIND ANYBODY WITH THE B^%$ TO PRINT THAT !!!!!!!
ACTUALLY i WAS RESPONDING TO A QUOTE HE WAS RESPONDING TO, LOL I GUESS IT'S LOST IT'S MEANING NOW.........