Obama wins!

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2634110
So "windfall" taxes are worse than Bushes attempt to boost the economy with his tax rebate? So far, it doesn't appear to be helping. Everyone is either hoarding the money, or paying all their bills they've accumulated trying to stay above high food and gas prices.
And meeting with our enemies instead of just trying to annihilate them is a bad thing? Oh that's right. The USA isn't known as a pacifist country. Gotta show who the boss is. That's why every other country in the world despises us.
Give me a break. He's already debunked that ridiculous rumor about the terrorist. Just foder for the McCain backers.
What's wrong with voting liberally (unless you're an ultra-conservative).
If wanting a national healthcare system is socialist, then give me a better alternative. Medical and pharmacutical costs have tripled over the last 5 years, and there's no sign they will decrease. The Baby Boomers like me won't be able to even go to the doctor on the illustrious Medicare/Medicaid Plan by the time we need it because the funding will be gone just like Social Security.
Actually he wants to strengthen our military by bringing it back where it belongs, to American soil. The War Mongers just want to make it look like the old 'Cut and Run' routine W's daddy did in the first Gulf War.
First of all, the "incentive checks" (which I spent in mexico) imo isn't a conservative idea, and was passed and praised by both parties. Then the dems started whining about it. Sure it was bushes as much as the Kennedy's ed bill or, McCain-Fiengold, and some others. I'm not against real tax cuts, but stuff that has been redistributed like the misnomer "tax rebate checks" is simply a quazi-socialist idea. Tax the rich give to the poor. It won't do much for the economy on a national level. (regardless whether you like the idea or not) THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY DISTRIBUTED YET! So like it or not we can't judge its effectiveness yet.
Tell you what, do some research of GB or Can, the USSR or China, and let me know how good you think their health system is. (and don't watch a Moore movie) Insurance in its current form is a scale model of a federal single payer system. And you see the problems it has caused. I don't think the answer is ramping it up to a full scale version.
Sure we can meet with nutcases. But the prez shouldn't. Why should we waste our time caving on their demands that we find unacceptable? Just in the interest of talking. We negotiated with Sadaam for 15 years and we saw how far we got. How long did we negotiate with lybia? Since Regan? When did they give up their nuke program, when we stormed through Iraq, and I'm sure someone sent them a little note saying you're next.
Besides who cares what people think of you, when you are right
 

salty blues

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2633146
I don't understand why its so hard to see the significance of this moment?
The signifigance of the moment as far as I'm concerned is that someone whose politics are opposed to mine could become president. I could not care less about his skin color.
 

jmick

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I'm curious about something and I'm not sure what the answer is on it and I hope someone knows. How many republican African American Senators have there been in the modern era? Also, how many congressmen have there been? If I were to gues it'd be very few, which shows the party as a whole isn't that open to blacks.
Which might lead one to suggest that to most conservatives the idea of a black (or half black) president is unthinkable. Is this why so many of you are soo angry about Obama getting the nomination? It seems like there is an awful lot of anger around every thread that is about Obama and there have been plenty of them. I just hope you guys get some new bullet points to add to your anti Obama group talk becuase what you keep spewing is getting really old.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2634854
I'm curious about something and I'm not sure what the answer is on it and I hope someone knows. How many republican African American Senators have there been in the modern era? Also, how many congressmen have there been? If I were to gues it'd be very few, which shows the party as a whole isn't that open to blacks.
Which might lead one to suggest that to most conservatives the idea of a black (or half black) president is unthinkable. Is this why so many of you are soo angry about Obama getting the nomination? It seems like there is an awful lot of anger around every thread that is about Obama and there have been plenty of them. I just hope you guys get some new bullet points to add to your anti Obama group talk becuase what you keep spewing is getting really old.
Are you insinuating that my dislike for the guy is based on color?
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Someone please explain to me how color is going affect his decisions, feed the starving, bring world peace, or run an economy. His color is useless and unimportant. His views, his inner circle of trusted people, his politicial and economic ideas. That is the issue.
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2634857
Are you insinuating that my dislike for the guy is based on color?
I don't really care.
As a conservative why aren't there any black leaders in your party? Do you think your party has in the past tried to suppress the votes of blacks, minorities and the poor? And if the answer is no, explain.
 

darthtang aw

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Edward Brooke, former U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, first African American elected by popular vote to the U.S. Senate
Blanche Bruce, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve a full term in the U.S. Senate
Jennifer Carroll, Florida State Representative
Henry P. Cheatham, former U.S. Representative from North Carolin
Oscar Stanton De Priest, former U.S. Representative from Illinois
Robert Brown Elliott, former U.S Representative from South Carolina
Gary Franks, former U.S. Representative from Connecticut
Jeremiah Haralson, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
John Adams Hyman, former U.S. Representative from North Carolina
John Mercer Langston, former U.S. Representative from Virginia
Jefferson Franklin Long, former U.S. Representative from Georgia
John Roy Lynch, former U.S. Representative from Mississippi
Thomas Ezekiel Miller, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
George Washington Murray, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
Charles Edmund Nash, former U.S Representative from Louisiana
Joseph H. Rainey, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina, first African American to serve in the U.S. House of Representatives
James T. Rapier, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
Hiram Rhodes Revels, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve in the U.S. Senate
Robert Smalls, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
J. C. Watts, former U.S. Representative from Oklahoma
Just senators and reps in recent history.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2634854
.... Is this why so many of you are soo angry about Obama getting the nomination? ...
Obama is a Socialist. He is also clueless in regards to dealing with the global threats our Nation faces today.
I'm not angry that he got the nomination. In fact, I see no one on this thread who is angry about that.
The only people bringing up race are the Obama supporters. I personally don't care if the guy is purple.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2634854
I'm curious about something and I'm not sure what the answer is on it and I hope someone knows. How many republican African American Senators have there been in the modern era? Also, how many congressmen have there been? If I were to gues it'd be very few, which shows the party as a whole isn't that open to blacks.
Which might lead one to suggest that to most conservatives the idea of a black (or half black) president is unthinkable. Is this why so many of you are soo angry about Obama getting the nomination? It seems like there is an awful lot of anger around every thread that is about Obama and there have been plenty of them. I just hope you guys get some new bullet points to add to your anti Obama group talk becuase what you keep spewing is getting really old.

Maybe blacks are just not open to the Republican party seeing as how 90% of them vote party line zombie democrat.
I have seen numerous posts here from conservatives spelling out specific reasons why they oppose Obama. And when we ask you Obamites why you support him you can name no specific legislative acheivement as a reason for your support.
So I'll ask again, Why do you think this first term senator with no foreign policy experience, no record of bipartisan legislative success and some serious judgment issues as far as personal associations is qualified to be president?
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2634875
Edward Brooke, former U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, first African American elected by popular vote to the U.S. Senate
Blanche Bruce, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve a full term in the U.S. Senate
Jennifer Carroll, Florida State Representative
Henry P. Cheatham, former U.S. Representative from North Carolin
Oscar Stanton De Priest, former U.S. Representative from Illinois
Robert Brown Elliott, former U.S Representative from South Carolina
Gary Franks, former U.S. Representative from Connecticut
Jeremiah Haralson, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
John Adams Hyman, former U.S. Representative from North Carolina
John Mercer Langston, former U.S. Representative from Virginia
Jefferson Franklin Long, former U.S. Representative from Georgia
John Roy Lynch, former U.S. Representative from Mississippi
Thomas Ezekiel Miller, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
George Washington Murray, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
Charles Edmund Nash, former U.S Representative from Louisiana
Joseph H. Rainey, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina, first African American to serve in the U.S. House of Representatives
James T. Rapier, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
Hiram Rhodes Revels, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve in the U.S. Senate
Robert Smalls, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
J. C. Watts, former U.S. Representative from Oklahoma
Just senators and reps in recent history.
Lets not forget the current head of the RNC Michael Steele
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2634867
I don't really care.
As a conservative why aren't there any black leaders in your party? Do you think your party has in the past tried to suppress the votes of blacks, minorities and the poor? And if the answer is no, explain.
So Condi rice isn't a black leader? Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas?
If you want to talk voter suppresion, lets talk about Michigan and how many of their votes were counted toward either obama or hilary. If you want to talk about it in a historical perspective, we could do that too. We could talk about bill connor, or the jim crow laws, and who passed them, I'd win...
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2634867
... Do you think your party has in the past tried to suppress the votes of blacks, minorities and the poor? And if the answer is no, explain.
History argues that the Democratic Party is the one to suppress the black vote.
*Poll Taxes and literacy tests
*Opposing Civil Rights Legislation
*Jim Crow Laws
Those belong, predominantly, to the Democratic Party.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2634895
Maybe blacks are just not open to the Republican party seeing as how 90% of them vote party line zombie democrat.
I have seen numerous posts here from conservatives spelling out specific reasons why they oppose Obama. And when we ask you Obamites why you support him you can name no specific legislative acheivement as a reason for your support.
So I'll ask again, Why do you think this first term senator with no foreign policy experience, no record of bipartisan legislative success and some serious judgment issues as far as personal associations is qualified to be president?

I can answer this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE IS FOR CHANGE!!!!
AND WILL BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER!!!!!!
What do I win?
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Are Blacks Wise to Shun
the Republican Party?
by Lana Hampton
(Revised from June 2004)
At this time, only 11% of blacks vote Republican. The
percentage is higher in states such as Ohio, where
President Bush received 16% of the black vote. The
reasons blacks should vote Republican are compelling,
beginning with the history of blacks and the Republican
party.
The Republican party abolished slavery and then took
the lead in trying to establish civil rights for blacks. As
ridiculous as it is, some people believe the Democrats
freed the slaves.
Following that, the Radical Republicans became
particularly key in helping to get the newly freed slaves
established as free men. The Republican party was the
first, following slavery, to pass a civil rights bill, vote into
office the first black officials, and are
credited with the passage of the 13th, 14th, and 15th
Amendments, all of which are highly relevant to blacks.
In 1954, a majority Republican Supreme Court put a halt
on the "separate but equal" doctrine in Brown v. Board
of Education and Republicans also initiated the Civil
Rights Acts of the 1960s. (A fact conveniently
overlooked by Democrats who, of course, claim to be
responsible for the civil rights era).
In the years following, Republican Presidents such as
Ronald Reagan and George Bush, Sr. appointed blacks
to important and powerful positions in their
administrations.
During George W. Bush’s first term in office, his
administration included these minorities:
~Condaleeza Rice - National Security Council
Advisor
~Colin Powell - Secretary of State
~Roderick R. Paige - Secretary of Education
~Alphonso Jackson - Secretary to Housing and
Urban
Development
~Claude Allen - Deputy Secretary of Health and
Human
Services
~Leo S. Mackey, Jr. - Deputy Secretary of Veterans
Affairs
~Larry D. Thompson - Deputy Attorney General
~Steven A. Perry - Administrator of General
Services
Administration
And now, in his second term, the administration is still a
diverse one. He didn’t hire these minorities for window
dressing (look at Clinton’s administration). He hired
them because they were qualified.
George W. Bush had more blacks in his first
administration than any other
president in the history of the U.S.
As for the Democrats, they are, apparently, not in touch
with their own constituents, as they continue to battle
school vouchers. But, most polls show that 70% of
blacks are in favor of vouchers. And why wouldn't that
be the case? Anyone who has a choice between
sending their child to an under-performing public school
or to a good
private school, would most likely choose the latter. The
Democrats complain that this will hurt the public school
system, but if those schools had been doing an
acceptable job of educating our youth in the first place,
we wouldn't be at this point. Is it not better
to give at least some inner city children a chance to
obtain a good education? Get them out of the public
school system which has managed to routinely produce
children who
are lacking even in basic skills such as reading and
writing.
President Bush's Leave No Child Behind Act addresses
this issue, calling for accountability on the part of the
schools.
Republicans also advocate for a safer learning
environment, free from disruptive students, while liberal
judges' main concern is the rights of the trouble-making
students.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
For you fans of affirmative action, it's too late to wait
until a student gets to the college level to start worrying
about education. Education needs to be addressed at
the K-12 level, so that the urban poor can realistically
compete in college. Some students are
so ill-prepared that they end up dropping out of college.
Affirmative Action is also demeaning to minorities
because it suggests that minorities are intellectually
inferior and cannot get into good universities without
preferences. I find it difficult to understand why
any self-respecting black person would accept the
stigma of being considered a second-rate student. Talk
about "Black Pride" - this is where it begins, with
accomplishment.
The bottom line is that we need to educate our children
well, in K-12, so that all can compete in a fair manner.
Another reason blacks should support the Republican
party is that Republicans address crime better. When it
comes to crime, blacks should be the biggest
proponents of tougher measures on crime, since blacks
fall victim to crime more than any other group in the U.S.
Blacks should be fed up and angry, but instead there’s
the tendency to vote for liberal legislators who appoint
liberal judges who are soft on crime and more
concerned about the rights of the perpetrator.
Inner city juries acquit 75% of all defendants charged
with carrying a concealed weapon. These juries like to
give "their own" a break, while apparently not
considering the fact that these defendants, if acquitted,
will move right back into their neighborhoods. Are these
jurors even thinking of their children and other loved
ones when they decide to let a criminal back on the
street? This is insanity.
On most social issues the majority of blacks are
conservative, so most blacks who are Democrats are
ideologically in opposition to their own party. How much
sense does that make? Some examples follow:
Sixty percent of blacks are opposed to gay marriage. In
fact, the two groups in the U.S. most opposed to gay
marriage are white Evangelical Protestants and blacks.
The majority of blacks support school prayer which is
another thing blacks have in common with the Christian
right. Blacks are more likely to disapprove of abortion
than are
whites. There is a rather uncomfortable discrepancy in
relation to blacks and abortion, however. While the
majority of blacks oppose abortion, blacks get abortions
at nearly three times the rate of whites. In fact,
according to the National Review, the black community
would be 35% larger if it weren't for the many abortions
performed on black women.
The family has historically been very important in the
black community, but the traditional black family is being
decimated as 70% of all black children are, now, born
out-of-wedlock.
As for diversity, Democrats like to take credit for
promoting diversity, but in actuality the congressional
Republicans have an excellent record of hiring
minorities. A commentary by Eddie Huff of Project 21 ( A
/>black conservative think tank) states that, "both the
coalitions director and legislative director for House
Majority Leader ---- Armey (R-TX) are black. One of the
lawyers working on Clinton's impeachment hearing is a
long-serving black member of the Republican staff of the
House Judiciary Committee. A black man serves as the
senior counsel to a House Banking Committee
subcommittee. Before he left office, Speaker Newt
Gingrich's senior writer was black."
Blacks also hold high-level positions in the offices of
Senate Republicans Paul Coverdell (R-GA), Kay Bailey
Hutchinson (R-TX), Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Fred
Thompson (R-TN). And there are many other blacks
among the Republican
ranks serving in non-clerical positions at both the
committee level and in personal offices.
The Democrats, on the other hand, have as a Senator
an ex-Klansman (Robert Byrd) and Senator Ernest
Hollings who mandated raising the Confederate Flag
over South
Carolina's capitol building.
But when David Duke tried to run for office under the
Republican party, the Republican party did not fund or
support him.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
so yeah, right, there are no blacks or minorities in powerful positions in the Republican party.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
If you want McCain, you'd better like his Vice President pick. That old geezer won't make it through his first year without having a stroke. I also like the way he's back peddling and saying he's moving away from his buddy 'W''s policies and views. He knows if he doesn't, he won't have a chance in November.
 
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