Obama wins!

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2635934
Why are you so fixated with Obama's association with this guy? If this guy is such a terroristic threat, is he in jail? If not, why not? Just because he knew a guy that goes against the grain of you War Lovers, he's going to emulate their beliefs? The Weatherman Underground was a radical group back in the 60's and 70's that wanted to supposedly overthrow the government because they refused to abandon the Vietnam War. Wish I knew about them back then, I would've joined. Maybe they can revitalize their front and get us out of the Iraq 'Surge'. Fighting for what you believe in that goes against what the government perceives is right, and you're considered a terrorist?
NICE!!! You are the most unamerican person I have met on this forum. You just admitted you would join an organization that bombed american civilians to protest the war. And to protest our involvement in the war. So basically you would join Al Qaeda based off that statement.
The reason Ayers is not in jail? He was pardoned by the last democrat president.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2635934
I'm sure you'd love to be in Iraq for 100 years. Hey, maybe you can become a permanent fixture there so you can live out your dream of being involved with this historic conflict we're stuck in. Nice stories to tell your grandchildren -- "No sonny. I was too old to join the Real Army to fight our War on Terror. Instead I was a contractor where I could make twice what I could make here in the US. But it was rough. I lived in an air conditioned shack in the Safe Zone, sucking popsicles and playing with the locals at night, while our Troops were getting shot and and blown up by missles 5 miles away. Those explosions did keep me awake at night. But that's OK, I survived."
Why are you so fixated with Obama's association with this guy? If this guy is such a terroristic threat, is he in jail? If not, why not? Just because he knew a guy that goes against the grain of you War Lovers, he's going to emulate their beliefs? The Weatherman Underground was a radical group back in the 60's and 70's that wanted to supposedly overthrow the government because they refused to abandon the Vietnam War. Wish I knew about them back then, I would've joined. Maybe they can revitalize their front and get us out of the Iraq 'Surge'. Fighting for what you believe in that goes against what the government perceives is right, and you're considered a terrorist?

You really should read up about what the weather underground was really about before making a statement like you would have joined them. Here's a hint: They weren't the first or only group to use the anti war movement to push a completely different agenda.
 
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vinnyraptor

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2633081
Rylan1,
Let them all tell you he has no chance. These are the same people who rung in Mick Huckabee president after Iowa; the same people who think George Bush has done a smashup job; the same people who will tell you we're winning the war on terror...
They won't give him the accolades he deserves; instead they will tell you he is secretly a Muslim. They won't praise his efforts for running a clean campaign; instead they will say he only won because people hated Hillary that much more. They don't care he is the first minority to win a parties nomination; they are just scared that for the first time ever one of their own might not be calling the shots.
They should be saying "Congratulations Senator Obama.; but instead will say "Did you know his middle name is Hussein?"
Ignorance is deep rooted and takes time to change. This is at least a start...
well said!
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2635992
You still need to actually listen to McCain's statement regarding 100 years.
Unless of course you wish to attempt to have a conversation on a point you are clearly uneducated on.
The Contract I am on is a critical one that the military has repeatedly stated they do not want. I'm proud to be here and proud of the job we are doing here. .. I hate popcicles, military casualties are at record lows, and the IZ is obviously within striking distance of rockets...
You made a totally false statement regarding the Weather Underground founder Ayers and his relationship with Obama. I'm not fixated, I'm simply interested in the truth. (Hopefully you are just ignorant when you say you would have joined the terrorists. They bombed police offices, the Pentagon, etc. Would you really like to join a group like that?)
So I ask again for you to back up your claim that Obama did not serve on the same board with Ayers.

I could give a rats @99 whether he served with him, dated him, or even had kids with him. It's irrelavent. It's just fodder for the Republicans to use as trash talk once the real debates start. Sure I'd join them. Apparently they didn't do as much as you claimed they did, otherwise they'd be serving life in prison, which means Obama would've never met the guy.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2635992
You still need to actually listen to McCain's statement regarding 100 years.
Unless of course you wish to attempt to have a conversation on a point you are clearly uneducated on.
The Contract I am on is a critical one that the military has repeatedly stated they do not want. I'm proud to be here and proud of the job we are doing here. .. I hate popcicles, military casualties are at record lows, and the IZ is obviously within striking distance of rockets...
You made a totally false statement regarding the Weather Underground founder Ayers and his relationship with Obama. I'm not fixated, I'm simply interested in the truth. (Hopefully you are just ignorant when you say you would have joined the terrorists. They bombed police offices, the Pentagon, etc. Would you really like to join a group like that?)
So I ask again for you to back up your claim that Obama did not serve on the same board with Ayers.

Please. You're there because you're a single guy who has an opportunity to make big bucks at the expense of a war. For whatever reason, you couldn't join the REAL Army, and you wanted to get over so bad to get your war fix, you took some contractor job no one else would take. You need to read more news that that fodder they hand you in the IZ. There were 3 - 5 American soldiers just killed the other day. But I guess compared to the hundres that got killed earlier in your Surge, I suppose you would consider those low numbers.
 
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vinnyraptor

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the GOP is scared as heck of Barrack, i listen to conservative talk radio all day long at work. They call him a socialist, say everyone who influenced him is a horrible person, say he's a radical leftist, weak on foriegn policy, that his speeches have no substance, and has no platform. some idiots believe he's a muslim or that he doesn't believe in God, and that he's a terrorist.
This guy isn't extreme, isn't anti God, isn't a terrorist, and although not clean isnt dirty, and definately isn't funded by lobbists like McCain. he does lack expierence but i think this is a good thing. he isn't locked into the old ways of doing things where nothing gets done, and only the corp's and elite get thier way. he is a constitutional lawyer, and will be of the people, by the people, and for the people like he's SUPPOSED TO. his platform and ideas are simple and make sense, make the rich and the corp's pay there fair share of taxes, make college affordable to everyone, provide affordable healthcare to all those who want it, rebuild the infrastructure of america, create permanent green jobs, get us out of Iraq and focus on Bin Laden (remember him ) in Pakistan and Afghanistan. what is so "extreme" about that? what is so left about that?
they go on about how he's willing to talk to our percieved enemy's unconditionally. they say this is reckless and naive. RECKLESS is bombing and killing 1.5 million Iraqi's for weapon's that weren't there, after we were told by UN inspector's that they weren't there. Reckless is creating hatred globally when we had the sympathy of the world, reckless is watching thousands of jobs shipped off oversea's, and giving tax breaks to the wealthiest 1%, reckless is how Katrina was handled, reckless is thinking stem cell research is bad cause god told you so, crazy too! reckless is overextending our military to the point where our boys are commiting suicide at the highest rate the military has ever seen, reckless is watching oil, food and energy prices skyrocket and the dollar fall at never before seen levels, reckless is thinking its a privilege for leaders of other countries to talk to our leader, reckless is putting this country and its people in trillions of dollars in debt, reckless is outing a cia secret agent for political gain, reckless is shooting an old man in the face on a hunting trip, shall i go on?
Mccain voted for Bush's policies 95% of the time, he's old, super rich, and totally out of touch with average american's. he doesn't even drive his own car! if you think the country is in good shape and the war is a just one then he's your guy, if like me, you believe its in the worst shape ever than Barrack's your guy. one thing about this election it's black and white, no pun intended. they are polar opposites on nearly every issue.
McCain is more of the same, he will continue the agenda in Iraq regardless of the cost in both dollars and blood. he will make the Bush tax cuts permanent, and probably end up in a war with Iran. that means we'll be fighting 3 wars while normal people struggle, kids cant afford college, social security goes bankrupt, healthcare, and education are ignored. his friends at the energy, oil, and miltary industrial complex will make record profits while we pay 5 bucks a gallon at the pump and for milk at the grocery store.
i think he is wiser than his years and has a common sense approach to real everyday problems,as well as terrorism and other foriegn affairs. he knows history and its mistakes, and most importantly understands the importance of the constitution and to adhere to its law. ther is no denying Bush's bending and outright breaking of the constitution, and we all fell for it because of fear. yet homeland security and the invasion of Iraq hasn't made us safer, has costed trillions,and lives of americans and innocent Iraqi civilians, and created more "terrorists" or those who wish to do harm to us.
TALKING can NEVER HURT! we all were taught as kids that if we have a problem with someone to try and talk it out. this is not showing weakness or legitimising anyone. going downstairs to ask your nieghbor to turn down there music or your going to call the police isnt weak and doesn't legitimise them in any way. in other words, Barrack meeting with the Iranian president and explaining to him our concerns with his nuclear program and his rants about Israel isn't weak. it's showing him that we mean business and unless you are willing to cooperate you and your people could be introuble. but its a logical step before you just bomb them. Mccain when asked how he would handle Iran joked, you ever hear the beach boys song... he then sang bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb bomb Iran. to the tune of Barbara Ann. i NEVER want i guy who would even joke about bombing people, Tehran like any major city has sick, elderly, and children who have nothing to do with anything and they will die if we bomb them, thats not funny..
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2636128
NICE!!! You are the most unamerican person I have met on this forum. You just admitted you would join an organization that bombed american civilians to protest the war. And to protest our involvement in the war. So basically you would join Al Qaeda based off that statement.
The reason Ayers is not in jail? He was pardoned by the last democrat president.
Heil Hitler!
Praise Allah and long live Osama!!
LALALALALALAl
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2636505
the GOP is scared as heck of Barrack, i listen to conservative talk radio all day long at work. They call him a socialist, say everyone who influenced him is a horrible person, say he's a radical leftist, weak on foriegn policy, that his speeches have no substance, and has no platform. some idiots believe he's a muslim or that he doesn't believe in God, and that he's a terrorist.

So, the guy that stands up and speaks to a college graduation and talks of giving to the collective is NOT a socialist? The guy who is married to the woman who wants to mandate we give up a piece of our pie is not a socialist? The guy who wants to federalize healthcare is not a socialist? You need to ope you eyes just a bit and listen to the words he uses, not just hear "change". Obama sure seems to want to get in my pocket, and take the money I worked for and earned.
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2636505
he is a constitutional lawyer, and will be of the people, by the people, and for the people like he's SUPPOSED TO.

So, he understands the 2nd and 10th Ammendments? Federal healthcare is NOT enumerated in the Constitution, so by the 10th ammendment, that power is given to the States, and not a power the feds can just come in and take short of ammending the constitution. I know more about the Constitution than he does. I'm sure the ACLU, founded by a communist will let that slide right on by.
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor

http:///forum/post/2636505
his platform and ideas are simple and make sense, make the rich and the corp's pay there fair share of taxes,

I could not have said it better myself Mr Marx.
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor

http:///forum/post/2636505
reckless is how Katrina was handled,

Yup, Nagan and the La Gov, both democrats were orders of magnitude more to blame than FEMA or Bush, yet no one blames them. Rep, Jefferson (D La) used Nat'l Guards to help him rescue his "cold cash" from the freezer in his house, now that is reckless.
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2636505
reckless is overextending our military to the point where our boys are commiting suicide at the highest rate the military has ever seen,

Do you think the "free press" calling them every name in the book along with supposed leaders like Rep. Murtha calling them "cold-blodded killers" might also have something to do with it?
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2636505
TALKING can NEVER HURT!
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Ask Chamberlain
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor

http:///forum/post/2636505
i NEVER want i guy who would even joke about bombing people, Tehran like any major city has sick, elderly, and children who have nothing to do with anything and they will die if we bomb them, thats not funny..
Funny, Reagan defeated the communists, and joked " the bombing starts in 5 minutes. But then again, as you seem to follow more communist ways you probably were offended by that too.
I love this country and while not perfect, she is the beacon of hope to millions. My family left Germany in 1746, and Italy in 1912 looking for a better life. They found it, and changed the world. I may believe you if Floridians start swimming to Cuba.
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2635992
You still need to actually listen to McCain's statement regarding 100 years.
Unless of course you wish to attempt to have a conversation on a point you are clearly uneducated on.
The Contract I am on is a critical one that the military has repeatedly stated they do not want. I'm proud to be here and proud of the job we are doing here. .. I hate popcicles, military casualties are at record lows, and the IZ is obviously within striking distance of rockets...
You made a totally false statement regarding the Weather Underground founder Ayers and his relationship with Obama. I'm not fixated, I'm simply interested in the truth. (Hopefully you are just ignorant when you say you would have joined the terrorists. They bombed police offices, the Pentagon, etc. Would you really like to join a group like that?)
So I ask again for you to back up your claim that Obama did not serve on the same board with Ayers.

You guys seriously need some new bullet points; the ones you have been using for the last 6 months are getting really old. If I were you guys I'd be a lot more worried about your candidate. Unless of course, you are that threated by Obama and the message he brings. I guess if he came to office it could effect your employment?
What difference does it make if they sat on a board together? They didn't choose each other and were selected independently to sit on the board. Also, Ayers is a well respected member of the community, so much so that one of the finest universities in the world has him as a professor of education.
I consider Oliver North's who is a traitor and his support of McCain and his williness to take it far worse then any tie Obama might have with the "terrorist" Ayers.
 

jmick

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Oscar, is it your hope and that of many republicans that if you throw out the idea that Obama is a Marxist, Muslim and a Socialist it'll eventually stick? It gets so old reading the same things again and again and again and hearing the same exact things on right wing radio.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2636505
the GOP is scared as heck of Barrack, i listen to conservative talk radio all day long at work. They call him a socialist, say everyone who influenced him is a horrible person, say he's a radical leftist, weak on foriegn policy, that his speeches have no substance, and has no platform. some idiots believe he's a muslim or that he doesn't believe in God, and that he's a terrorist.
This guy isn't extreme, isn't anti God, isn't a terrorist, and although not clean isnt dirty, and definately isn't funded by lobbists like McCain. ..
Obama sure seems to gravitate towards marxists. His chums in the weather underground were pushing for the marxist agenda. His mentor and father figure in his book was Frank Marshal Davis who was anti american and a member of the communit party and the Democrat Socialists of Amrerica have openly supported Obama since his first run at political office.
How much money did Obama take from Rezko again? How about exelon energy, the controlling shareholders of Maytag,etc. Yeah, no special interests involved in his campaign
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2636671
Obama sure seems to gravitate towards marxists. His chums in the weather underground were pushing for the marxist agenda. His mentor and father figure in his book was Frank Marshal Davis who was anti american and a member of the communit party and the Democrat Socialists of Amrerica have openly supported Obama since his first run at political office.
How much money did Obama take from Rezko again? How about exelon energy, the controlling shareholders of Maytag,etc. Yeah, no special interests involved in his campaign
Please explain who his weather underground chums are and explain his relationship with them? How much money has Obama taken from Rezko? I'd think if he was taking money it would have been exposed or do you think the people working on the case were incompetent or protecting him? How can you throw out all of these allegations? I think you're sitting at your computer
at the people who actually believe half the garbage you write. Or have you written these things so many times that you've actually come to believe it yourself?
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2636504
Please. You're there because you're a single guy who has an opportunity to make big bucks at the expense of a war. For whatever reason, you couldn't join the REAL Army, and you wanted to get over so bad to get your war fix, you took some contractor job no one else would take. You need to read more news that that fodder they hand you in the IZ. There were 3 - 5 American soldiers just killed the other day. But I guess compared to the hundres that got killed earlier in your Surge, I suppose you would consider those low numbers.
No causalties is D-day. This although each death is horrible, isn't bad. you need to put things in perspective.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2636662
Oscar, is it your hope and that of many republicans that if you throw out the idea that Obama is a Marxist, Muslim and a Socialist it'll eventually stick? It gets so old reading the same things again and again and again and hearing the same exact things on right wing radio.
Maybe if you could actually factually dispute what we were saying we'd move on...
After all the guy only wants to nationalize one of the biggest industries in the usa. Increase programs that support redistribution of wealth. That IS by definition socialism!
The guy went to a church for YEARS that had a pastor who believed that american military action is a terrorist act.
Supports denying AMERICANS access to the political system. But has no problems acception favors from a criminal.
hmm, yeah, there is nothing wrong with any of that...
-change- what will be left in my pocket after obama gets done with us.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2636678
Please explain who his weather underground chums are and explain his relationship with them? How much money has Obama taken from Rezko? I'd think if he was taking money it would have been exposed or do you think the people working on the case were incompetent or protecting him? How can you throw out all of these allegations? I think you're sitting at your computer
at the people who actually believe half the garbage you write. Or have you written these things so many times that you've actually come to believe it yourself?
Are you truely this ignorant?
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan...ion/na-rezko30
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121600729.html
http://newsbusters.org/people/bill-ayers
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9730.html
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=9438
You should really watch some real news once in a while
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2636690
Maybe if you could actually factually dispute what we were saying we'd move on...
After all the guy only wants to nationalize one of the biggest industries in the usa. Increase programs that support redistribution of wealth. That IS by definition socialism!
The guy went to a church for YEARS that had a pastor who believed that american military action is a terrorist act.
Supports denying AMERICANS access to the political system. But has no problems acception favors from a criminal.
hmm, yeah, there is nothing wrong with any of that...
-change- what will be left in my pocket after obama gets done with us.
Tell me, what is the only wealthy industrialized nation that does not have universal healthcare? Further more, how much do we as tax payers dish out for the uninsured to get emergency care? Do you think that allowing people to treat problems before they become emergencies could save tax payers a staggering amount of money?
When you say he is denying Americans the right to access the political system you are talking about Michigan and Florida voters?
I am sure he is the only politican in history who has ties to a criminal or two

I suggest you get a better job if you fear you are only going to have a little change left when he comes to office
I like the idea of the super rich/wealthy paying more in taxes because they are still going to be super rich/wealthy.
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2636720
Are you truely this ignorant?
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan...ion/na-rezko30
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121600729.html
http://newsbusters.org/people/bill-ayers
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9730.html
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=9438
You should really watch some real news once in a while

The money he donated was from 1996 and 2000 and Obama donated 150k of it to charity. Rezko has also donated money to president Bush, wonder if he donated that money to charity?
Real news, you're the one quoting sites from Ron Paul and some rightwing site. I bet you have all those sites set as favorites too so you can add them when ever you want. I
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2636662
Oscar, is it your hope and that of many republicans that if you throw out the idea that Obama is a Marxist, Muslim and a Socialist it'll eventually stick? It gets so old reading the same things again and again and again and hearing the same exact things on right wing radio.
If the shoe fits...
He is speaking of the "collective" what about that is NOT socialist or marxist?
Where in the Constitution does it say "collective"?
Sen and Mrs Obama are socialists, their own words prove the fact beyond doubt.
I don't care his religious background, I care how he will turn this country 180 degrees from that intents of the Founding Fathers.
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2636748
The money he donated was from 1996 and 2000 and Obama donated 150k of it to charity. Rezko has also donated money to president Bush, wonder if he donated that money to charity?
True, but Bush did not push through certain legislation to make Resko's schemes work.
Bush did not benefit from a land deal the way Obama did.
 
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