Obama wins!

jmick

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2636758
True, but Bush did not push through certain legislation to make Resko's schemes work.
Bush did not benefit from a land deal the way Obama did.
There was nothing illegal about the land deal, although it was a mistake. What legislation did Obama push through to aid Rezko? If he had been engaging in illegal activities he would have been part of the trail.
Well, it's been fun as always but I am out for the night to have some fun...you old guys keep kicking around the same old news and I'll check in tomorrow.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2636731
Tell me, what is the only wealthy industrialized nation that does not have universal healthcare? Further more, how much do we as tax payers dish out for the uninsured to get emergency care? Do you think that allowing people to treat problems before they become emergencies could save tax payers a staggering amount of money?
When you say he is denying Americans the right to access the political system you are talking about Michigan and Florida voters?
I am sure he is the only politican in history who has ties to a criminal or two

I suggest you get a better job if you fear you are only going to have a little change left when he comes to office
I like the idea of the super rich/wealthy paying more in taxes because they are still going to be super rich/wealthy.
And does it work? What are their tax rates? How about unemployment rates, or GPD? We dish out money now, but at least now people get hounded for repayment. In an universal system there will be no barrier for care. And when that happens we will be dishing out ALOT of money. Do you honestly think that putting up a sign that says FREE anything is going to save the funder any money? Come on. So no, the saving money argument is simply assanine.
No, I'm talking about lobbiest. They may not be the most savory characters, but they still are american (the american ones anyway) and this is still a representative government. Do I think it needs to be changed, yes. But before you go around saying blabla no lobbiests at least be smart enough to not have an unofficial one buy the land next to your house so you can buy your house.
And what do you think all these environmental orgs are but special interest groups. Tell you what, ban evironmental lobbiests and I'll say lets get rid of them all.
Do you remember the story of the golden goose, tax the hell out of rich men, and you are killing our golden goose. Why in the world would we punish a person for being successful. Seriously, it makes no sense! Sure we could level the playing field, but history has proven that leveling the playing field is a move down, can I say Cuba, china, russia, north Korea? That is what they do, you work and the product of your work is redistributed how the government sees fit. The only people who end up having money are corrupt political leaders. There is this little problem called "free rider" and that is what will end up happening.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2636748
The money he donated was from 1996 and 2000 and Obama donated 150k of it to charity. Rezko has also donated money to president Bush, wonder if he donated that money to charity?
Real news, you're the one quoting sites from Ron Paul and some rightwing site. I bet you have all those sites set as favorites too so you can add them when ever you want. I
Is the LA Times, Washington Post and Politico "Right Wing web sites? The others just popped up in the web search. Feel free to try to disprve any of the facts contained in any of them.
Did Obama return the money Rezko basically handed him on the real estate deal? No. Why was Obama still involved with a guy who was known to be under federal indictment?
I don't know who all Rezko donated money to but I do know he was Obama's single largest contributor. He was just convicted of bribery among other things. I wonder if we will find out what Obama did for him before the election.
 

fats71

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What person would stand their like a clown and not place his hand over his heart or wear an american flag lapel on their jacket.. Oh wait one I would not vote to run AMERICA !!! The guy is obviously not interested in America.. My wife and I decided if a snow ball lands in hell and he wins we will be leaving A.S.A.P.
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2636504
Please. You're there because you're a single guy who has an opportunity to make big bucks at the expense of a war. For whatever reason, you couldn't join the REAL Army, and you wanted to get over so bad to get your war fix, you took some contractor job no one else would take. You need to read more news that that fodder they hand you in the IZ. There were 3 - 5 American soldiers just killed the other day. But I guess compared to the hundres that got killed earlier in your Surge, I suppose you would consider those low numbers.

So, by your logic, my Grandfather, who was blind in one eye and could not pass the military physical was just a greedy man working double shifts in a TNT plant during WWII. He could not join the "real" Army, but I'll bet you he killed more axis soldiers and destroyed more axis war material through the TNT he made than any single combat soldier.
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2636775
There was nothing illegal about the land deal, although it was a mistake. What legislation did Obama push through to aid Rezko? If he had been engaging in illegal activities he would have been part of the trail.
Well, it's been fun as always but I am out for the night to have some fun...you old guys keep kicking around the same old news and I'll check in tomorrow.

The land deal may not have been illegal, but it showed a lack of judgment on Sen Obama's part., and it gave Resko a potential "in" with a politician. The land deal is basically a bribe, you don't think Resko did that deal just out of the goodness of his heart do you? I want my president to have better judgment.
As to kicking around old news:
Katrina
Google Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board. This seems to be part of the problem. Resko may have bought a little influence from Sen. Obama
 
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vinnyraptor

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we all pay taxes, not just you. and all other industrialized democratic nations have universal healthcare, are they socialist's ? the facts are Bush's tax cuts only benefited the rich ( which i assume is you) and were wasting billions in Iraq, that money alone could pay for healthcare. Ronald Reagan did not "defeat" communism, Russia has more natural resources than any other land mass in the world. oil, nat. gas, precious metals, ore, water, uranium, plutonium, etc... the people defeated communism, not some b movie actor from halfway across the globe.
he TAUGHT constitutional law at one of the biggest law schools in america! how dare you belittle his education and knowledge, thats like me saying i know more about being a POW because i did a weekend in jail when i was younger.
how are you pushing blame on the mayor and govenor for Katrina? FEMA is DIRECTLY incharge of situations like that, and the president is responsible for ensuring they are doing there job. Katrina was just one of many of Bush's blunders. his wife said those people are living better now then they were? "those people" homes were destroyed, they were displaced all over the country, and lost family members and pets. somehow this elitist witch thought they were better for it? this administration had the audacity to call them refugee's, they were AMERICAN'S not refugee's.
lastly this country is no longer the beacon of hope that it once was, your party made sure of that. we are way behind in education, healthcare, environmental standards, clean water and air, high tech jobs, and most of all compassion for those less fortunate then us. they do nothing but bang the war drum and use fear to achieve there agenda's. guys like you only care about one thing, the money in your wallet and bank account. you care more about this fish in your tank then your fellow countrymen, and think war is game like football that you must win!
So, he understands the 2nd and 10th Ammendments? Federal healthcare is NOT enumerated in the Constitution, so by the 10th ammendment, that power is given to the States, and not a power the feds can just come in and take short of ammending the constitution. I know more about the Constitution than he does. I'm sure the ACLU, founded by a communist will let that slide right on by.
I could not have said it better myself Mr Marx.
Yup, Nagan and the La Gov, both democrats were orders of magnitude more to blame than FEMA or Bush, yet no one blames them. Rep, Jefferson (D La) used Nat'l Guards to help him rescue his "cold cash" from the freezer in his house, now that is reckless.
Do you think the "free press" calling them every name in the book along with supposed leaders like Rep. Murtha calling them "cold-blodded killers" might also have something to do with it?
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Ask Chamberlain
Funny, Reagan defeated the communists, and joked " the bombing starts in 5 minutes. But then again, as you seem to follow more communist ways you probably were offended by that too.
I love this country and while not perfect, she is the beacon of hope to millions. My family left Germany in 1746, and Italy in 1912 looking for a better life. They found it, and changed the world. I may believe you if Floridians start swimming to Cuba.[/QUOTE]
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2636502
I could give a rats @99 whether he served with him, dated him, or even had kids with him. It's irrelavent. It's just fodder for the Republicans to use as trash talk once the real debates start. Sure I'd join them. Apparently they didn't do as much as you claimed they did, otherwise they'd be serving life in prison, which means Obama would've never met the guy.
I didn't ask if you cared.
You said Obama cleared up the false notion that he served on the same board as the founder of the Weather Underground (an admitted domestic terrorist group). I'm asking for you to back up your statement, not try to justify Obama serving with him.
Sorry. They did do exactly what I've said they did. Take 30 seconds and use any search engine on the web to find plenty of credible sources.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2636504
Please. You're there because you're a single guy who has an opportunity to make big bucks at the expense of a war. For whatever reason, you couldn't join the REAL Army, and you wanted to get over so bad to get your war fix, you took some contractor job no one else would take. You need to read more news that that fodder they hand you in the IZ. There were 3 - 5 American soldiers just killed the other day. But I guess compared to the hundres that got killed earlier in your Surge, I suppose you would consider those low numbers.
I've posted my motives before. I feel no need to try to explain them to you. Clearly from your posts regarding joining terrorist groups you and I will never see eye to eye.
I will, however, ask what exactly you are doing to make the world a better place?
Our military losses are at all time lows in Iraq. While every life is sacred, you can't deny that fact. Feel free to check the numbers yourself. Pointing out an attack that killed several of our servicemen doesn't change that point.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2636678
Please explain who his weather underground chums are and explain his relationship with them? How much money has Obama taken from Rezko? I'd think if he was taking money it would have been exposed or do you think the people working on the case were incompetent or protecting him? How can you throw out all of these allegations? I think you're sitting at your computer
at the people who actually believe half the garbage you write. Or have you written these things so many times that you've actually come to believe it yourself?
Obama has admitted to receiving $250,000 from Rezko.
He also attended at least one party at Ayer's house.
Again, feel free to look this up for yourself.
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2637315
I didn't ask if you cared.
You said Obama cleared up the false notion that he served on the same board as the founder of the Weather Underground (an admitted domestic terrorist group). I'm asking for you to back up your statement, not try to justify Obama serving with him.
Sorry. They did do exactly what I've said they did. Take 30 seconds and use any search engine on the web to find plenty of credible sources.
Of course they served on the same board but didn't pick each other and were selected independently. Does their participation on the same board mean that Obama is now a supporter of domestic terrorism and if so, does that apply to everyone else who has ever had dealings with Ayers? What about the University of Chicago? Is it your hope that if you continue to throw these ideas/accusations against the wall that they will eventually stick?
Ayers never served time in prison, the charges against him were dropped. He is a respected professor at the university of Chicago (one of the finest universities in the world). The guy is a former radical, no one will say otherwise but today he is a respected professor, helped shape Chicago's school reform program and works on various anti poverty groups. The boogie man has become a well respected member of society and does more to help his fellow man than anyone on this board.
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2637325
Obama has admitted to receiving $250,000 from Rezko.
He also attended at least one party at Ayer's house.
Again, feel free to look this up for yourself.
So what? Does that mean he was involved in some sort of political corruption with Rezko or some wrong doing? He donated the money Rezko had given him (from 1997 and 2000) to charity. Did Bush, who also recieved money from Rezko do the same? In Chicago/IL politics it'd be nearly impossible to have no dealings with someone like Rezko. Rezko is dirty but that does not = guilt by association. If it did, Obama would have been brought in on the trial, unless you think law enforcement in IL is incompetent?
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2637342
So what? Does that mean he was involved in some sort of political corruption with Rezko or some wrong doing? He donated the money Rezko had given him (from 1997 and 2000) to charity. Did Bush, who also recieved money from Rezko do the same? In Chicago/IL politics it'd be nearly impossible to have no dealings with someone like Rezko. Rezko is dirty but that does not = guilt by association. If it did, Obama would have been brought in on the trial, unless you think law enforcement in IL is incompetent?
You are missing the point. Obama has gone OUT of his way to say he is new so he doesn't have the ties or "favors" owed to to whatever lobbiests and special interest groups. And well then you have one of his biggest donors in jail. I don't think obama did anything illegal that isn't the issue. Ask yourself why did Rezko "donate" that much money to obama, it WASN'T because Obama is an all around good guy.
Originally Posted by Jmick

http:///forum/post/2637346
Explain in detail what this means Oscar.
He has been if you've been reading his posts. His point is that Obama isn't the clean and pure politician, he has crap just like the rest of them.
 

darthtang aw

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Jmick, and the rest you never answered these questions.....how can you expect some of us to see why you support this guy if you can't answer the simple questions. I touch on policy only, none of the other "stuff" Yet you can't even respond when it comes to just policy....why is that? Could it be because you are blindly following and don't know the answer...
I ask you obama supporters again. And do try to answer these questions.
How is he going to pay for his healthcare program that is reported going to cost 500 billion per year minimum?
How is going to help out those states that have job crisis because they relied heavily on manufacturing and the auto industry when more auto plants are closiung because gas is so high but he won't support the one GUARANTEED way to be bring down gas prices in this country to help stimulate the desire for certain autos again.
How is he going to bring the country together, when 40% of the country has moral views exactly opposite to his.....How do you get people to compromise their morals and ignore them....this is what he claims he will do.
How is he going to safely pull out of Iraq without destabilizing the region more and send gas prices even higher due to lack of oil production. Right now Iraq is producing more oil than their entire history has ever shown....how expensive will gas be if Iraq oil wells are shut down due to regional middle east free for all for the country of Iraq?
How will his pull out of Iraq prevent a similar genocide such as occurred in Vietnam killing over 10 million people in massacres and "cleansings"?
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2637360
You are missing the point. Obama has gone OUT of his way to say he is new so he doesn't have the ties or "favors" owed to to whatever lobbiests and special interest groups. And well then you have one of his biggest donors in jail. I don't think obama did anything illegal that isn't the issue. Ask yourself why did Rezko "donate" that much money to obama, it WASN'T because Obama is an all around good guy.
He has been if you've been reading his posts. His point is that Obama isn't the clean and pure politician, he has crap just like the rest of them.
No, when he said typical "Chicago" Democrat implies that he's a product of cronyism and corruption. Where has anyone shown he has participated in any of the following? LOL, what politican is 100% clean? If they were they'd never have been elected. I'm sure his past has influenced where he wants to go and change is part of that. The campaign he just ran and won against Clinton was a change from what saw from Clinton, which is very similar to what we will see from the Republicans. Our nation is tired of the fear tatics and smear campaigns and I can't wait for the republicans to start it up.
Also, who he chooses as his VP will say a lot and if chooses Hillary then I will not say another word to defend him but thankfully, I don't see that happening.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2637283
we all pay taxes, not just you. and all other industrialized democratic nations have universal healthcare, are they socialist's ? the facts are Bush's tax cuts only benefited the rich ( which i assume is you) and were wasting billions in Iraq, that money alone could pay for healthcare. Ronald Reagan did not "defeat" communism, Russia has more natural resources than any other land mass in the world. oil, nat. gas, precious metals, ore, water, uranium, plutonium, etc... the people defeated communism, not some b movie actor from halfway across the globe.
he TAUGHT constitutional law at one of the biggest law schools in america! how dare you belittle his education and knowledge, thats like me saying i know more about being a POW because i did a weekend in jail when i was younger.
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You really don't know your ear from your elbow do you?
Only the rich benefitted from Bushes tax cuts?
I've never made six figures and I benefited from the tax cuts
If Obama is such a constitutional law expert why did he endorse a federal ban on all hanguns which flies in the face of the 2nd amndment?
Can you find published work from Obama regarding apsects of constitutional law as would be expected from any real law professor?
How many cases did Obama ever argue that were based on points of constitutional law?
How long was Obama employed as an attorney?
 
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