Obama wins!

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2637380
Our nation is tired of the fear tatics and smear campaigns and I can't wait for the republicans to start it up.
You obviously have not paid any attention to McCain's campaign. He does not condone those types of tactics.
Good luck getting your questions answered reefraff, They won't answer them...they never do...it is like the wizard of oz, DO NOT LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2637339
Of course they served on the same board but didn't pick each other and were selected independently. Does their participation on the same board mean that Obama is now a supporter of domestic terrorism and if so, does that apply to everyone else who has ever had dealings with Ayers? What about the University of Chicago? Is it your hope that if you continue to throw these ideas/accusations against the wall that they will eventually stick?
Ayers never served time in prison, the charges against him were dropped. He is a respected professor at the university of Chicago (one of the finest universities in the world). The guy is a former radical, no one will say otherwise but today he is a respected professor, helped shape Chicago's school reform program and works on various anti poverty groups. The boogie man has become a well respected member of society and does more to help his fellow man than anyone on this board.

A former radical?
From a 2001 interview
''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago.
"The test of Obama's strategy may be his friendship with and support from William Ayers, an unrepentant member of the Weatherman terrorist underground of the 1960s. Instead of totally disavowing Ayers as he belatedly did his former pastor Wright, Obama potentially deepened his problem by referring to Ayers as just a college professor -- "a guy who lives in my neighborhood." He then compared their relationship with his friendship with conservative Republican Sen. Tom Coburn, as he had compared Wright's racism with his white grandmother's."

 

[oscardeuce]

Even hanging out with Ayers is treason in my book. You would never find me 100 yards from the guy. Ayers is a professor? Ha that school would NEVER get my money or support.
I've tried to say Obama talks change, then does stupid stuff like the Resko land scheme. If is smell like a bribe it is a bribe. I wish someone would have bought the lot next to me and fixed it so I did not have a neighbor there too.
He talks of the collective, yet supporters look the other way and defend him when he is called a socialist or Marxist. Listen to what the guy says, especially in relatively private settings like the "clinging to their guns and religion" speech.
Then there's the "free press", not printing much about Obama's past, or burying it on page 18F. Once again a few elites in the press and the Soros types are trying to push us down the path of socialism.
Why should we expect lies from politicians? Why should we expect corruption? Heck when McCain told the truth about car manufacturing jobs leaving and not coming back, he was plastered for the truth. Then Obama talks "change" and "new" and "Collective" and people pass out, and the press fawns.
Gimme a break.We need a guy to the right of Regan who really understands the intent of the founding fathers. One who is willing to decrease the size of the government, and adhere to the Constitution.
Like was said, if Sen. Obama is a Constitutional Lawyer, why support handgun bans? What part of "the right of the PEOPLE... shall not be infringed" does he not get.
I guess in 100 years we've gone from the pioneer spirit to the spirit of entitlement.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2637342
So what? ...
I love how you all keep moving the goal posts. Bigarm makes the statement that Obama was never associated with Ayers. That statement got corrected so the argument becomes "so what?" You did the same thing Jmick. You make a false claim, then start arguing "so what" when it gets corrected.
Let's further not forget Obama being clean of lobbyists is a farce. Obama had his own PAC that he used to give donations (bribe) super delegates with.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2637342
So what? Does that mean he was involved in some sort of political corruption with Rezko or some wrong doing? He donated the money Rezko had given him (from 1997 and 2000) to charity. Did Bush, who also recieved money from Rezko do the same? In Chicago/IL politics it'd be nearly impossible to have no dealings with someone like Rezko. Rezko is dirty but that does not = guilt by association. If it did, Obama would have been brought in on the trial, unless you think law enforcement in IL is incompetent?
A federal jury Wednesday convicted developer Antoin "Tony" Rezko of corruption charges for trading on his clout as a top adviser and fundraiser to Gov. Rod Blagojevich.
Rezko's guilty verdict on 16 of 24 corruption counts could have broad repercussions for Blagojevich, who made Rezko a central player in his kitchen cabinet. It could also prove a political liability for U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, who once counted Rezko as a friend and fundraiser, as the likely Democratic presidential nominee heads into the general election campaign against Republican John McCain.
You really think Barry O's pal Tony gave him all that money and didn't get something in return

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
"we all pay taxes, not just you. and all other industrialized democratic nations have universal healthcare, are they socialist's ? the facts are Bush's tax cuts only benefited the rich ( which i assume is you) and were wasting billions in Iraq, that money alone could pay for healthcare. Ronald Reagan did not "defeat" communism, Russia has more natural resources than any other land mass in the world. oil, nat. gas, precious metals, ore, water, uranium, plutonium, etc... the people defeated communism, not some b movie actor from halfway across the globe.
he TAUGHT constitutional law at one of the biggest law schools in america! how dare you belittle his education and knowledge, thats like me saying i know more about being a POW because i did a weekend in jail when i was younger. "
I dare belittle his education. I dare because mine exceeds his. I dare because I teach young doctors emergency medicine. I am faculty at the local medical school. I have a better grasp of the intents of the Constitution than the "scholar" Sen. Obama. I've actually worked in the real world, where Obama has not.
BTW we all DO NOT pay taxes. About 33% of US citizens pay NO tax.
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15281
You might want to get your FACTS straight before you jump into the grown up pool.
OK so by your logic, if Obama were president in the 80's the USSR would have been defeated? I don't think so. Heck we'd still be talking about the missiles in Cuba. Heck, bring back JFK, at least he got it.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2637484
Even hanging out with Ayers is treason in my book. You would never find me 100 yards from the guy. Ayers is a professor? Ha that school would NEVER get my money or support.

No worries, I doubt they'd accept you even if you wanted to get in

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2637378
Jmick, and the rest you never answered these questions.....how can you expect some of us to see why you support this guy if you can't answer the simple questions. I touch on policy only, none of the other "stuff" Yet you can't even respond when it comes to just policy....why is that? Could it be because you are blindly following and don't know the answer...
I ask you obama supporters again. And do try to answer these questions.
How is he going to pay for his healthcare program that is reported going to cost 500 billion per year minimum?
How is going to help out those states that have job crisis because they relied heavily on manufacturing and the auto industry when more auto plants are closiung because gas is so high but he won't support the one GUARANTEED way to be bring down gas prices in this country to help stimulate the desire for certain autos again.
How is he going to bring the country together, when 40% of the country has moral views exactly opposite to his.....How do you get people to compromise their morals and ignore them....this is what he claims he will do.
How is he going to safely pull out of Iraq without destabilizing the region more and send gas prices even higher due to lack of oil production. Right now Iraq is producing more oil than their entire history has ever shown....how expensive will gas be if Iraq oil wells are shut down due to regional middle east free for all for the country of Iraq?
How will his pull out of Iraq prevent a similar genocide such as occurred in Vietnam killing over 10 million people in massacres and "cleansings"?
Can't answer them, can you guys........?

 

[jmick]

Jmick, and the rest you never answered these questions.....how can you expect some of us to see why you support this guy if you can't answer the simple questions. I touch on policy only, none of the other "stuff" Yet you can't even respond when it comes to just policy....why is that? Could it be because you are blindly following and don't know the answer...
I ask you obama supporters again. And do try to answer these questions.
How is he going to pay for his healthcare program that is reported going to cost 500 billion per year minimum?QUOTE]
How much do the uninsured cost American tax payers a year? Last I read it was about 100billion dollars a year. How mush does the war in Iraq cost us a year? I think it's up to about 2 billion dollars a week?? I'd bet the cost of the two would cover the cost of health care for the 50 million american who are without and what we (those who have insurance) pay ourselves would cover the rest. What's wrong with providing for those without the means to get preventative medicine and live good lives? How many people in our country live on the edge of poverty and barely get by?

 

[jmick]

Jmick, and the rest you never answered these questions.....how can you expect some of us to see why you support this guy if you can't answer the simple questions. I touch on policy only, none of the other "stuff" Yet you can't even respond when it comes to just policy....why is that? Could it be because you are blindly following and don't know the answer...
I ask you obama supporters again. And do try to answer these questions.
How is he going to pay for his healthcare program that is reported going to cost 500 billion per year minimum? QUOTE]
How much do the uninsured cost American tax payers a year? Last I read it was about 100billion dollars a year. How mush does the war in Iraq cost us a year? I think it's up to about 2 billion dollars a week?? I'd bet the cost of the two would cover the cost of health care for the 50 million american who are without and what we (those who have insurance) pay ourselves would cover the rest. What's wrong with providing for those without the means to get preventative medicine and live good lives? How many people in our country live on the edge of poverty and barely get by?

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2637378
How is he going to safely pull out of Iraq without destabilizing the region more and send gas prices even higher due to lack of oil production. Right now Iraq is producing more oil than their entire history has ever shown....how expensive will gas be if Iraq oil wells are shut down due to regional middle east free for all for the country of Iraq?
How will his pull out of Iraq prevent a similar genocide such as occurred in Vietnam killing over 10 million people in massacres and "cleansings"?
I thought the region was a lot more stable today then it's been the entire war? When are these people going to be able to stand on their own and protect the "freedoms" we've given them?
LOL, love the fear tactics that come into every thread...are you 100% certain that genocide will occur if we pull out? I do like the comparison to this war and Vietnam...both unjust and uncalled for wars.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2637378
Jmick, and the rest you never answered these questions.....how can you expect some of us to see why you support this guy if you can't answer the simple questions. I touch on policy only, none of the other "stuff" Yet you can't even respond when it comes to just policy....why is that? Could it be because you are blindly following and don't know the answer...
I ask you obama supporters again. And do try to answer these questions.
How is he going to pay for his healthcare program that is reported going to cost 500 billion per year minimum?QUOTE]
How much do the uninsured cost American tax payers a year? Last I read it was about 100billion dollars a year. How mush does the war in Iraq cost us a year? I think it's up to about 2 billion dollars a week?? I'd bet the cost of the two would cover the cost of health care for the 50 million american who are without and what we (those who have insurance) pay ourselves would cover the rest. What's wrong with providing for those without the means to get preventative medicine and live good lives? How many people in our country live on the edge of poverty and barely get by?
Nope, the cost of those to is roughly 250 billion dollars a year, you need to come up with another 250 billion a year minimum to pay for Just his healthcare.
And to touch on am I sure their will be a genocide.....History proves there will be.....The region is more stable now because we are there at the moment, if we pull out...will it stay stable? I am not saying stay in a war typew situation forever, but hell....How long did our own independence take when we fought England way back when, and we WOULD NOT have gained it had France not helped us with that WAR and stayed and helped us get set up....
Some people really need to relearn history...or learn it the first time.
You also didn't answer how he is going to bring the country together as he claims.

 

[jmick]

How is going to help out those states that have job crisis because they relied heavily on manufacturing and the auto industry when more auto plants are closiung because gas is so high but he won't support the one GUARANTEED way to be bring down gas prices in this country to help stimulate the desire for certain autos again.
How is he going to bring the country together, when 40% of the country has moral views exactly opposite to his.....How do you get people to compromise their morals and ignore them....this is what he claims he will do. QUOTE]
I am not an economist and I can't answer the top question and I do agree that it is an excellent question. However, do you think maintaining the status quo is the best policy? What does McCain have planned? Last I check his econmic plan was more of the same and I don't think that's what is best for our country.
Explain how is morals are different then 40% of america? He is a Christain like the majority of america, he is a solid family man, a self made man (McCain has built his career on his wifes $$$) and he is someone who has a proven track record of bringing people together. LOL, do we have to agree on everything to come together? Is the idea of compromise an alien concept to you?

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2637515
Nope, the cost of those to is roughly 250 billion dollars a year, you need to come up with another 250 billion a year minimum to pay for Just his healthcare.
And to touch on am I sure their will be a genocide.....History proves there will be.....The region is more stable now because we are there at the moment, if we pull out...will it stay stable? I am not saying stay in a war typew situation forever, but hell....How long did our own independence take when we fought England way back when, and we WOULD NOT have gained it had France not helped us with that WAR and stayed and helped us get set up....
Some people really need to relearn history...or learn it the first time.
Where are your figures? I want to see solid numbers and don't cite a rightwing site.
You can guess what will happen but you can't say with 100% certainty. I actually have no problem with keeping a small force in Iraq but I'd much rather see the UN head it up. I do agree, the last thing I'd want to see is genocide take place and you know as well as I, that we'd never allow this.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2637532
... I do agree, the last thing I'd want to see is genocide take place and you know as well as I, that we'd never allow this.
*Soviet held eastern Europe
*China
*South Vietnam
*Cambodia
*Rwanda
*Darfur
Ya, we've never allowed genocide to happen before...

 

[otley 1975]

Now that Hillary is out I'm voting for Mcain. You really don't want the government involved in your health care. I used to work for the VA and trust me, you want to keep the government as far away from health care as possible.
I'm also a little worried about a Muslim in the White House next to the nuke buttom. It has nothing to do with race, I wanted to vote for a woman. Hussien hasn't had enough time in government to run the country end of story.

 

[1journeyman]

Obama is a lot of things;
Socialist
Isolationist
poor judge of character
etc.
He's not a muslim, however.

 

[otley 1975]

He grew up in Indonesia which has the highest pop. of muslim, he went to muslim school, his father was muslim and he went back to Africa to get in touch with his muslim side. He may be a "practicing" muslim but his whole history is full of it and what about the name thats not muslim?

 

[otley 1975]

I've been reading alot on this nut and I'm thinking of moving out of the country if he becomes president, he is that scary.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by otley 1975
http:///forum/post/2637565
I've been reading alot on this nut and I'm thinking of moving out of the country if he becomes president, he is that scary.
Based on what I've read you should probably go regardless of the outcome.