Obama wins!

[jmick]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2637932
It is that bad:
Medical and nursing school applications are down. It almost doesn't pay. Even with the "mark ups", we sometimes only see $0.30 on the dollar. Few businesses can operate this way. I have friend in primary care than spend 12-14 years after high school and rack up $500,000 indebt to make $90,000/year. Now $90,000/year seems good, but start that at the age of 30+ and with $500,000 in debt and you are making less than plumbers ( no offense).
I am in a group practice at this time. My real income has decreased the last 4 years due to medicare and other cuts. My school debts have not been cut. 13 years after med school I am still in debt from college and med school.
BTW due to abortions ( thanks libs) I did not take the Hippocratic oath. There's this part about not harming human life that would get in the way of abortions. I had to take the Prayer of Maimonides. One of the things I was looking forward to when I earned my Doctorate was the Hippocratic Oath. That was taken from me just to make abortions that much easier. Under the Hippocratic Oath, abortions would only be allowed to save mom.

I agree, 90k isn't a lot of money when you put that kind of investment into your career. My sisters financee just just finished med school and is now doing his residency and I was surprised how little it paid (it's significantly less then what myself of my wife makes and she doesn't even have a college degree). I find it shocking even with passing costs to those who can afford care you still only get 30cents back on the dollar. Can't you opt out of medicare and refuse to accept patients who have it?
I do agree, if I was in your position I'd have a hard time taking the oath. I could never perform an abortion and find them utterly deplorable.

 

[fats71]

=stdreb27;2637616]As an economist, let me answer some of your questions.

Lets think about something else. Here in the gulf there are two major ports. New Orleans and Houston, NEw Orleans is a far better port from a water stand point. But the port of houston is bigger, why? Because of the political environment and taxes. Houston is cheaper to get into and out of. Basically the difference in the political system has allowed for rampant growth in houston vs NO. It is basically an apples to apples comparison.

="sienna"]So when I see someone advocating this type system it does scare the crap out of me, one because he isn't smart enough to learn from watching someone else touch the burner on the stove and two because it will burn us. Not today maybe not tomorrow, but soon.
Seriously your using NO as your argument ? Smart money kind of says do not build below sea level or your profit turns into loss or did the econmoist miss that altogether???

 

[metweezer]

He won't win and his wife will be the reason.

 

[armywife1314]

what matters is who the VP he chooses is. you know someone's going to go John Wilkes Boothe if he wins.

 

[darthtang aw]

Still waiting to hear how he will propose to pay for his healthcare system....I showed how I reached the figure used his own words to reach it.....so how is it paid for?
Something to think about, in 5 years Canada's healthcare will comprise 50% of their national Budget. They have less people than us and do not have the slew of other programs nor the defense budget we have and their insurance is almost half their budget now.
In 2006 England's Universal healthcare plan operated at a loss cost 2 billion more than what was budgeted for (translation=deficit.
For everyone's talk about a balanced budget, I don't see that EVER happenning with a universal healthcare plan.

 

[aquaknight]

And from my brief experience skiing in the great white north, Canadians aren't like us in that they don't typically run little Johnny to the emergency room for every cough or bruise like us.

Could only imagine the costs....

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2637898
You have that right. You're so far right, I couldn't see you around a corner. What am I doing? I've donated thousand of dollars and hours of time helping my local community be a better place to live. I spent two weeks in New Orleans right after Katrina helping with the displaced AMERICANS, even assisting with ridding of the multiple corpses. So you see, I take care of the homefront, where it matters.
If one soldier dies, it's not low enough. It's sad to think you'd believe anything different.
You spent 2 weeks? That's good. That's more than most.
I spent 14 years serving my community. That experience helped gain me this job. You assume to know what all of the contractors are doing; you do not. Our particular role is vital in the formation of a Democratic partner in Iraq. I'll let history decide if getting paid for that is patriotic or not.
You've given thousands of dollars; That's great and again more than most. I'll be tithing more than that this year alone myself.
On the one hand you argue you take care of the homefront, yet just a few posts ago you state you wish you could have been part of the Weather Underground's attacks against Americans. I'm somewhat confused by that.

 

[fats71]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2638297
You spent 2 weeks? That's good. That's more than most.
I spent 14 years serving my community. That experience helped gain me this job. You assume to know what all of the contractors are doing; you do not. Our particular role is vital in the formation of a Democratic partner in Iraq. I'll let history decide if getting paid for that is patriotic or not.
You've given thousands of dollars; That's great and again more than most.
On the one hand you argue you take care of the homefront, yet just a few posts ago you state you wish you could have been part of the Weather Underground's attacks against Americans. I'm somewhat confused by that.
Seriously I wonder why we even try to educate them. People like to boast and brag how they spent thousands of dollars and 10 days in a tragedy situation and they act as if we should bow down and worship them for their humble humble dedication to the homefront... I have news for you it is not a 14 day job or donating alittle bit of money. It is about being an American proud of your country saluting the flag. We are to help our brothers and sisters out 'ALL THE TIME" Help them re-build donate more than 14 days to it. be a big brother be a big sister. When you see someone who is in need of help help them without having to be glorified for it or what you did is completely washed away and means very little.
If you vote for obama your not only spitting on this countries for fathers your taking a big fat dump on every single military man and women we have ever had and will have.
Someone said previously he is a Christian like most of the U.S.A. Well I beg to differ as a Religious Theologian. He is no more Christian than I am President of the United States.
He is nothing what Christianity is.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2638297
You spent 2 weeks? That's good. That's more than most.
I spent 14 years serving my community. That experience helped gain me this job. You assume to know what all of the contractors are doing; you do not. Our particular role is vital in the formation of a Democratic partner in Iraq. I'll let history decide if getting paid for that is patriotic or not.
You've given thousands of dollars; That's great and again more than most. I'll be tithing more than that this year alone myself.
On the one hand you argue you take care of the homefront, yet just a few posts ago you state you wish you could have been part of the Weather Underground's attacks against Americans. I'm somewhat confused by that.

Sorry son. That was just a couple of examples. I have about 20 years of age over you, and believe me, I've donated more time and money helping communities not only in the US, but around the world for longer than you've been born. I just refuse to do it in some foreign country that could care less about America, but expects us to bail them out when half of their countrymen would have no qualms blowing everyone of our heads off. And yes, I do know what contractors do over there. I know about 10 that are over in that region right now, and have been there before this ridiculous war even started. You seem to be stuck on stupid to think you can 'form a Democratic partner in Iraq'. Any form of Democratic government in that region will be twice as corrupt as the one we have in our own country. I'm still trying to figure you out. In all the NUMEROUS posts you've dropped on this site, you sound like you're a man of religion that delves into politics. I just can't figure which one one it is. You seem to talk in circles a lot, and try to hide the mysterious aura of yours. You want to be the savior of the world, but really aren't sure how to go about doing it.
I have my reasons for agreeing with the principles of what the Weatherman Underground were trying to accomplish. Although what they did went to the extremes to get their message across, all the same, I understand why they did it. Washington pretty much fell on deaf ears when it came to peaceful and non-violent protests of the Vietnam War. So the only other way to get the point across was to take violent measures. That's what they did. Was it the right thing to do? Absolutely not. But they made their mark in history, and brought to light what a majority of Americans felt about Vietnam. Sadly, it may take the same type of extreme measures to finally convince Washington yet again to get out of a war that is eerily similar to that conflict back in the 60's and 70's.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2638342
Seriously I wonder why we even try to educate them. People like to boast and brag how they spent thousands of dollars and 10 days in a tragedy situation and they act as if we should bow down and worship them for their humble humble dedication to the homefront... I have news for you it is not a 14 day job or donating alittle bit of money. It is about being an American proud of your country saluting the flag. We are to help our brothers and sisters out 'ALL THE TIME" Help them re-build donate more than 14 days to it. be a big brother be a big sister. When you see someone who is in need of help help them without having to be glorified for it or what you did is completely washed away and means very little.
If you vote for obama your not only spitting on this countries for fathers your taking a big fat dump on every single military man and women we have ever had and will have.
Someone said previously he is a Christian like most of the U.S.A. Well I beg to differ as a Religious Theologian. He is no more Christian than I am President of the United States.
He is nothing what Christianity is.
So what are YOU doing for your part Mr. God Belss America? I love your diatribe about helping others and not gloating about it, yet what do you think Journey is doing? He spouts on here how he's doing his part for the war, and helping out the poor Iraqis because "They need our help, and I can see it in their eyes they are grateful for our assistance". That not being glorified?
Where do you get off Obama is Un-American? Because he didn't wear some flag lapel or had accquaintences with individuals who despised war and the useless atrocities that go along with it? Or is it because he wants to get us out of this useless war before more innocent American lives are lost for absolutely no reason? What's the alternative? Some guy who served in a similar useless war, and got caught behind enemy lines.
Personally I'd prefer a non-Christian in the Oval Office. Take religion out of politics, and the country would be a better place for it.

 

[reefraff]

Bragging on good works on the internet, yeah, whatever

You could be mother Terresa for all I care. It doesn't change the fact that Obama has no experience, a radical philosophy and follows the failed liberal economic agenda that will make the Republicans excessive spending look like a model of restraint

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2638297
You spent 2 weeks? That's good. That's more than most.
I spent 14 years serving my community. That experience helped gain me this job. You assume to know what all of the contractors are doing; you do not. Our particular role is vital in the formation of a Democratic partner in Iraq. I'll let history decide if getting paid for that is patriotic or not.
You've given thousands of dollars; That's great and again more than most. I'll be tithing more than that this year alone myself.
On the one hand you argue you take care of the homefront, yet just a few posts ago you state you wish you could have been part of the Weather Underground's attacks against Americans. I'm somewhat confused by that.
yawn, 2 months two hurricanes, I lived in an old frat house that had an old walkin freezer, I moved everything in there figured that would last, then stayed in the kitchen of the old fast food joint That was part of a red cross shelter complex, next door while I worked in ankle deep water cooking for 2500 ungrateful, rude, scum of the earth, evacuees. The $&*

!@. That will be the last time I ever help anyone like them. We were prepared for 200 got handed over 2500 not counting the locals who didn't have power, water or anything.
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2638439
Bragging on good works on the internet, yeah, whatever

You could be mother Terresa for all I care. It doesn't change the fact that Obama has no experience, a radical philosophy and follows the failed liberal economic agenda that will make the Republicans excessive spending look like a model of restraint
yes it will be interesting won't it.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2638384
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I have my reasons for agreeing with the principles of what the Weatherman Underground were trying to accomplish. Although what they did went to the extremes to get their message across, all the same, I understand why they did it. Washington pretty much fell on deaf ears when it came to peaceful and non-violent protests of the Vietnam War. So the only other way to get the point across was to take violent measures. That's what they did. Was it the right thing to do? Absolutely not. But they made their mark in history, and brought to light what a majority of Americans felt about Vietnam. Sadly, it may take the same type of extreme measures to finally convince Washington yet again to get out of a war that is eerily similar to that conflict back in the 60's and 70's.

GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY TERRORIST LOVER!
The ends do not justify the means. No one should maim or kill to get their point across.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2638082
Seriously your using NO as your argument ? Smart money kind of says do not build below sea level or your profit turns into loss or did the econmoist miss that altogether???
??? The port of New Orleans vs the Port of houston, what does sea level have to do with it? They are both at sea level. Boats float in off the sea to a dock or warf where they are unloaded to trucks. The real question is sea bed level.
I was trying to compare the superior natural harbor of the Port of New Orleans vs the Port of houston which wasn't as good, but PoH grew larger than the Port of New Orleans. Significantly larger.
We had a speaker who exported alot of stuff out of PoH and he said the companies decision was based purely because of the more business friendly and less liberal texas politics to the corrupt LA politics.
I was using this as an example how liberal policies stiffle business and keep people down.

 

[1journeyman]

[QUOTE=bionicarm;2638384...
I'm glad you've helped both locally and abroad. Your previous post implied you thought only "homeland" relief efforts were of any value.
From my short time in Iraq I can say your assumptions are out of touch. A Democracy can work in this region; Small businesses are popping up on every corner. Northern Iraq is actually thriving (see theotheriraq.org for more info). And certainly half of the people here don't want to kill us.
I'm a simple person Bigarn. Not hard to figure out at all. I believe in the Constitution and the Bible. I believe all men/women deserve freedom; political and religious. I never talk in circles... please feel free to point out a single time where I have done so. I'm not hiding anything out of a desire to maintain a mysterious aura. My friends know exactly what I do. I'm just not huge on posting intimate details on a public forum. This forum, like any on the web, attracts a fair number of lunatics that I'd rather not know all about me.
I've never wanted to be the savior of the world. I believe that role was fulfilled 2,000 years ago. I just want the opportunity to live with and serve young people again someday and becoming financially secure in my 30's seems like a great opportunity to do so.
Your continued support and justification of the Weather Underground is appalling. To believe domestic terrorism is justified because you don't agree with our Nation's foreign policy is treasonous. While our men/women fought and died in Vietnam, Ayers, his wife, and other assorted losers preyed upon American civilians here at home. That kind of behavior is sickening and can never be justified.

 

[armywife1314]

rumor is anyway that were going to try to let iraq handle itself in a little less than 2 years.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2638505
GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY TERRORIST LOVER!
The ends do not justify the means. No one should maim or kill to get their point across.
Now this is a person with serious issues. You're country? What have you done in your life to justify this to be YOUR country? It's called Freedom of Speech. How anyone chooses to use that right, is up to them. Isn't Democracy wonderful?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2638642
I'm glad you've helped both locally and abroad. Your previous post implied you thought only "homeland" relief efforts were of any value.
From my short time in Iraq I can say your assumptions are out of touch. A Democracy can work in this region; Small businesses are popping up on every corner. Northern Iraq is actually thriving (see theotheriraq.org for more info). And certainly half of the people here don't want to kill us.
I'm a simple person Bigarn. Not hard to figure out at all. I believe in the Constitution and the Bible. I believe all men/women deserve freedom; political and religious. I never talk in circles... please feel free to point out a single time where I have done so. I'm not hiding anything out of a desire to maintain a mysterious aura. My friends know exactly what I do. I'm just not huge on posting intimate details on a public forum. This forum, like any on the web, attracts a fair number of lunatics that I'd rather not know all about me.
I've never wanted to be the savior of the world. I believe that role was fulfilled 2,000 years ago. I just want the opportunity to live with and serve young people again someday and becoming financially secure in my 30's seems like a great opportunity to do so.
Your continued support and justification of the Weather Underground is appalling. To believe domestic terrorism is justified because you don't agree with our Nation's foreign policy is treasonous. While our men/women fought and died in Vietnam, Ayers, his wife, and other assorted losers preyed upon American civilians here at home. That kind of behavior is sickening and can never be justified.

Ah, so first you say you're over there for your patriotic duty, and to bring the Democratic process to Iraq. But just now you say, "I just want the opportunity to live with and serve young people again someday becoming financially secure in my 30's seems like a great opportunity to do so". So you are there for the money. Or are you? I see the wagon's circling as I speak...
You just don't get it. The Weatherman Underground was just one of many organizations that opposed the Vietnam War. They were just known as the most radical. You now have the gall to praise the men who died in Nam? Now there's a good one. Where you you when the thousands of soldiers returned from Nam? Most of them didn't even get a thank you, much less any assistance from the government that sent them over there. When WWII ended, practically every soldier who returned home was given a heroes welcome. Parades, celebrations in Times Square. Vietnam returees were looked upon as drug addicted, uneducated rejects with little or no fanfare given to them. It took over 5 years after the Fall of Saigon before Congress would even recognize them. You had Audie Murphy, Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, and a multitude of others known as WWII heroes. Who do you have as Vietnam heros? McCain? Now there's a sad comparison...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2639014
Ah, so first you say you're over there for your patriotic duty, and to bring the Democratic process to Iraq. But just now you say, "I just want the opportunity to live with and serve young people again someday becoming financially secure in my 30's seems like a great opportunity to do so". So you are there for the money. Or are you? I see the wagon's circling as I speak...
You just don't get it. The Weatherman Underground was just one of many organizations that opposed the Vietnam War. They were just known as the most radical. You now have the gall to praise the men who died in Nam? Now there's a good one. Where you you when the thousands of soldiers returned from Nam? Most of them didn't even get a thank you, much less any assistance from the government that sent them over there. When WWII ended, practically every soldier who returned home was given a heroes welcome. Parades, celebrations in Times Square. Vietnam returees were looked upon as drug addicted, uneducated rejects with little or no fanfare given to them. It took over 5 years after the Fall of Saigon before Congress would even recognize them. You had Audie Murphy, Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, and a multitude of others known as WWII heroes. Who do you have as Vietnam heros? McCain? Now there's a sad comparison...
Bionic, I've posted that I'm over here for many reasons... to serve country, Iraq, gain more foreign field experience, money, to be a part of history, because liberals around here kept saying "if you support the war so much why don't you go to Iraq", etc. Sorry; That's not speaking in circles.
I was 3 when Saigon fell so when our soldiers returned home (including my father) I was probably riding my tricycle on the driveway.

Today I certainly honor their service and memory. The way they were treated when they returned was disgusting. I would never dishonor their service by supporting radical protestors that were endangering their loved ones at home while they were fighting overseas.
You need to read more on the Weather Underground. They bombed civilian work places and injured civilians. It's a miracle they didn't kill anyone. Their founders still today state they wish they had bombed more buildings. Yet you continue to defend them and say I don't get it? They are terrorists; enough said in my book.
Comparing Vietnam to WW2 falls short in a number of ways. Let's not forget, however, that the Vietnam Vets had a memorial decades before the WW2 veterans (their's was completed just a few years ago after many of them have passed away). So in some ways our country has tried to make ammends for our pathetic treatment of our soldiers. The returning WW2 veterans came home celebrating a tremendous victory in Europe and the Pacific. Don't you think that partly lead to the parades and celebrations? My Grandfather returned from Japan over 6 months after V-J day. He didn't come home to any parades or flag waving celebrations.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2638695
rumor is anyway that were going to try to let iraq handle itself in a little less than 2 years.
I think that will depend a lot on their elections this Fall and how they go.
The Iraqi army occupying Sadr City (with very little US assistance) is a huge undertaking and, provided they can continue to sweep the weapons out and secure the region, a very positive step forward.
The continued victories in Basra and Mosul also are very positive steps.
Tehran is going to have to be dealt with, however. We cannot allow that wacko to continue to support the insurgents and terrorists.