Obama's Communist/Marxist ties

rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2591529
More on NObama's top finance chair Penny Pritzker...Poor Lending Practices and sloppy bookkeepin..and this is NObamas's choice? ..JUDGEMENT
The Pritzkers, one of the nation’s wealthiest families and heirs to the fortune created by the Hyatt hotels, agreed today to pay a record $460 million to the federal government to avoid being punished for the failure of Superior Bank F.S.B., the big savings and loan institution that regulators seized last summer.
Federal officials said the payment, which will be spread out over 15 years, is the largest settlement ever in the failure of a banking institution. The failure itself is one of the largest in the last decade, one that some estimate could cost the government up to $1 billion.
Unbelievable isn’t it? The failure of Superior Bank, based in Hinsdale, cost the F.D.I.C. about $700 million, making it one of the largest federally insured financial institutions to fail in a decade. Regulators said Superior had collapsed because of poor lending practices and sloppy bookkeeping.
He seems to be doing something right. There campaign donations are pretty transparent. And he is running the best managed campaign of any of the candidates. He pays his bills, and even though he has spent much more... his debt is by far the lowest. So lets look at him by his record.. not someone elses... The the thing... people can't find anything on him... so they look at people around him and their past. You can judge someone for someone else's mistakes...
Look at the problems w/ McCain and his handling of his campaign... You have him getting public dollars... than trying to change it after he spent too much... in addition to cheating by using the company jet... so he tries to distance himself from wife's wealth... than uses it as it is convienent to finance his campaign... All rules he broken...rules that he set.
Clinton... $10million in debt and struggling... not to mention all the fundraising scandals they are facing... such as Paul v Clinton.
 
fats71

fats71

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2590341
Well Reefraff , Don't you know that nothing you say or do will wake them up ?
I would like to think shock collars might work.
Originally Posted by newtoit
http:///forum/post/2590544
and a recession and an economy in the dumps school shootings need I continue?
I have money in the bank and as far as i have seen most people here are not in a recession and if they are it shows how dumb people can be to be broke and overspend on a hobby such as this. If your broke and into swf you deserve to be broke.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2590564
So is he going to be BLACK LISTED now?
Where is J. E. Hoover or Joe McCarthy when you need them?
Its the Red Scare all over again.
Lets reinitiate Executive Order 9835.

you all should be ashamed to call yourselfs republicans... The levels you guys stoop to. We have much more serious issues to deal with then this crap... Gas Tax is in headlines and McCain's health plan, which does very little... For people who can't afford $1000/mo for ins... Do you think $584 is affordable? the ans is no. His plan addresses probably only 5-15% of uninsured.
I think 584 dollars is affordable seeing is how one surgery costs around 25k to 50k. Then you have to pay "suzy" to sit on her butt and surf the web.
It is annoying though that I have to pay while the Dem's just tap into my pocket to get theirs...
Oh well bums will be bums.
People who whine over 600 bucks a month should probably sell their fish tanks and get their priorities in order. Shut down your interned as well it is a luxury not a necessity and sell that computer that is also not a necessity.
 
crashbandicoot

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Ahhhhh luxury vs nesecity .
Kinda goes back to what I said about food in my belly and a roof over my head . I might not have the biggest house or the nicest. I might not eat steak and lobster . But I am not going hungry or out in the elements . In fact at the end of the month I find it possible to actually put some money into a hobby I love . My kids are well taken care of . New clothes , proper medical treatment (that doesn't come from the state),a new toy once and a while .
I don't need a new F-250 4 wheel drive . Do I want one yeah . Do I need one no .My old rust bucket jeep gets me around just fine . I don't need a new playstation3 . Again want one but don't need one .A nice 200+ gallon reef tank. Who of us wouldn't want one . But I know who I am and where I am at in life . There are far more important things at stake in our world then your roads , your gas guzzling mega SUV's , 5 dollar cups of coffee, 500 dollar video game systems , New boats , New motor cycles, Blackberrys ,i-phones, i-pods with 20,000 songs on them downloaded from i-tunes at a dollar a piece ,College educations that you feel make you a better class of human than the guy with out one .
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2591805
Obama has no involment of Rezko trial or activities... try looking up something that a candidate is involved with such as a current case Paul v. Clinton.. if you want to discuss fraud and campaign fundraising.

OMG! You say Oh bama had no involvement with Rezko?
Lets see, Cottage View Terraces, Obama wrote 4 different letters urging taxpayer funding for that rezko project, worked out to the tune of 14 million. Rezko was a member of Obama's 2004 campaign finance committee, Obama represent Rezko in a slumlord case during his brief legal career, Obama/Rezko land deal. AND THE FACT THAT OBAMA SOUGHT OUT REZKO AFTER IT WAS WELL KNOWN THAT REZKO WAS THE TARGET OF A FEDERAL CORRUPTION INVESTIGATION.
And what was Clinton accused of doing wrong in the Paul v Clinton civil suit again?
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2591955
OMG! You say Oh bama had no involvement with Rezko?
Lets see, Cottage View Terraces, Obama wrote 4 different letters urging taxpayer funding for that rezko project, worked out to the tune of 14 million. Rezko was a member of Obama's 2004 campaign finance committee, Obama represent Rezko in a slumlord case during his brief legal career, Obama/Rezko land deal. AND THE FACT THAT OBAMA SOUGHT OUT REZKO AFTER IT WAS WELL KNOWN THAT REZKO WAS THE TARGET OF A FEDERAL CORRUPTION INVESTIGATION.
And what was Clinton accused of doing wrong in the Paul v Clinton civil suit again?
Rezko was/is a big real estate giant in Chicago.. He was a large supporter of DNC. Of course all sorts of things happen in politics... but you can't convict or assume everyone this person has been in contact with... The appearance was that he was a successful business man, which he was... but there was nothing that suggested he was a criminal. He even photoed with Pres and 1st lady Clinton.
As far as representing Rezko... he was an associated lawyer who spent only a few hours on the case... This wasn't even his case, but a case his firm took and assigned him work on... Give me a break..
Take "Teflon John"... he had a party at his house where organized crime figures attened, yes Mafia... I forget the name .. but big time mafia boss.
He also has many people who he is associated with who are found to be criminals.
Lets not even talk about all the criminals and scandals associated with Clinton.. or should we?
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2591955
OMG! You say Oh bama had no involvement with Rezko?
Lets see, Cottage View Terraces, Obama wrote 4 different letters urging taxpayer funding for that rezko project, worked out to the tune of 14 million. Rezko was a member of Obama's 2004 campaign finance committee, Obama represent Rezko in a slumlord case during his brief legal career, Obama/Rezko land deal. AND THE FACT THAT OBAMA SOUGHT OUT REZKO AFTER IT WAS WELL KNOWN THAT REZKO WAS THE TARGET OF A FEDERAL CORRUPTION INVESTIGATION.
And what was Clinton accused of doing wrong in the Paul v Clinton civil suit again?
Fraud
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2591900
I would like to think shock collars might work.
I have money in the bank and as far as i have seen most people here are not in a recession and if they are it shows how dumb people can be to be broke and overspend on a hobby such as this. If your broke and into swf you deserve to be broke.
I think 584 dollars is affordable seeing is how one surgery costs around 25k to 50k. Then you have to pay "suzy" to sit on her butt and surf the web.
It is annoying though that I have to pay while the Dem's just tap into my pocket to get theirs...
Oh well bums will be bums.
People who whine over 600 bucks a month should probably sell their fish tanks and get their priorities in order. Shut down your interned as well it is a luxury not a necessity and sell that computer that is also not a necessity.
My point is everyone can't afford this... $600 for health, $100 for car,

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lets say $600... food $300+.. utilities $250... gas, etc, etc. Basically if you make less than $30K -$40K insurance is unaffordable... You are not able to save and provide your family with basic things... I didn't include a car payment or many of the other things needed... not to mention the inablility to save.
According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the average cost of a family policy is about $12,000, with employers picking up $8,800 of that amount. Under McCain's plan, that $8,800 contribution by employers could be replaced by a $5,000 tax credit.
Under McCain's plan, families would receive a $5,000 tax credit — $2,500 for individuals — every year. Consumers would choose their insurance provider, then inform the government of that selection by mail or e-mail.
The $5,000 would be sent directly to that insurance provider.
Critics contend that McCain's plan would increase the number of uninsured Americans — now at 47 million people — because it would remove tax deductions for employers that provide insurance to their employees.
Without the tax incentive to provide health insurance to workers, many companies might abandon the practice, some experts say.
Even with the tax deduction currently in place, the Kaiser Family Foundation found that more than 8,000 Ohio companies stopped providing health coverage between 2001 and 2005, affecting more than 515,000 workers
We also know that individual plans are much higher than group rates, and are more likely to increase at a higher % year of year...
Does this sound like a plan that you would be better off with?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2591853
...
Look at the problems w/ McCain and his handling of his campaign... You have him getting public dollars... than trying to change it after he spent too much... in addition to cheating by using the company jet... so he tries to distance himself from wife's wealth... than uses it as it is convienent to finance his campaign... All rules he broken...rules that he set.
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Once again you display a shocking lack of knowledge on subjects you are debating.
Amount of public financing received by McCain to date: $0
Amount McCain is accused of overspending before opting out in the DNC complaint with the FEC: $0
Rules McCain broke by using his wife's jet and paying the first class rate for it's use: 0
Nice try
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2591987
My point is everyone can't afford this... $600 for health, $100 for car,

[hr]
lets say $600... food $300+.. utilities $250... gas, etc, etc. Basically if you make less than $30K -$40K insurance is unaffordable... You are not able to save and provide your family with basic things... I didn't include a car payment or many of the other things needed... not to mention the inablility to save.
According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the average cost of a family policy is about $12,000, with employers picking up $8,800 of that amount. Under McCain's plan, that $8,800 contribution by employers could be replaced by a $5,000 tax credit.
Under McCain's plan, families would receive a $5,000 tax credit — $2,500 for individuals — every year. Consumers would choose their insurance provider, then inform the government of that selection by mail or e-mail.
The $5,000 would be sent directly to that insurance provider.
Critics contend that McCain's plan would increase the number of uninsured Americans — now at 47 million people — because it would remove tax deductions for employers that provide insurance to their employees.
Without the tax incentive to provide health insurance to workers, many companies might abandon the practice, some experts say.
Even with the tax deduction currently in place, the Kaiser Family Foundation found that more than 8,000 Ohio companies stopped providing health coverage between 2001 and 2005, affecting more than 515,000 workers
We also know that individual plans are much higher than group rates, and are more likely to increase at a higher % year of year...
Does this sound like a plan that you would be better off with?
So your idea is to saddle everyone with the cost of a families health insurance. So a married couple like my wife and I who have already paid the heathcare costs of the one child we had because thats what we figured we could afford to raise, now get to pay higher taxes to supply heathcare to people who didn't excercize the same good judgement? Oh, and lets not forget the people with the kids I am paying to support pay less income tax than I do despite the fact they are a much larger drain on the system.
That is why socialism doesn't work.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2591847
The answer is no, if it were known he was a criminal I don't think he would have had an association with him. And besides he is not a criminal yet, because he has not even been convicted of anything. Of course there may be some suspicion, but with this guy being real estate giant, I am sure he comes across good (legit) deals every so often, and if he knew of another buyer who was interested in purchasing a property and they would get a better deal if they bought them together... there is nothing wrong with that... its good business. I am sure this has been investigated, and it came back with nothing.
The question is not whether them buying properties right next to eachother at the same time is legal. Of course it probably is, the question is why would a builder or developer by the property. They haven't denied any collusion in purchasing the property as far as I'm aware, and that is far to many things falling into place to be a coincidence. Remember Obama's line on "special interests" and "favors."
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2591987
My point is everyone can't afford this... $600 for health, $100 for car,

[hr]
lets say $600... food $300+.. utilities $250... gas, etc, etc. Basically if you make less than $30K -$40K insurance is unaffordable... You are not able to save and provide your family with basic things... I didn't include a car payment or many of the other things needed... not to mention the inablility to save.
According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the average cost of a family policy is about $12,000, with employers picking up $8,800 of that amount. Under McCain's plan, that $8,800 contribution by employers could be replaced by a $5,000 tax credit.
Under McCain's plan, families would receive a $5,000 tax credit — $2,500 for individuals — every year. Consumers would choose their insurance provider, then inform the government of that selection by mail or e-mail.
The $5,000 would be sent directly to that insurance provider.
Critics contend that McCain's plan would increase the number of uninsured Americans — now at 47 million people — because it would remove tax deductions for employers that provide insurance to their employees.
Without the tax incentive to provide health insurance to workers, many companies might abandon the practice, some experts say.
Even with the tax deduction currently in place, the Kaiser Family Foundation found that more than 8,000 Ohio companies stopped providing health coverage between 2001 and 2005, affecting more than 515,000 workers
We also know that individual plans are much higher than group rates, and are more likely to increase at a higher % year of year...
Does this sound like a plan that you would be better off with?

I have not looked at McCains plan yet, but it doesn't socialize medicine. I do know that.
I love how you inflate your numbers and don't give all the info.
12,100 is the average that was paid to health companies. Only 3100 of that was picked up by the employee with the employer picking up the rest. So your 600 dollar a month figure doesn't fly, as one, it is pre taxed in some cases. Two, the math comes out to around 270 dollars a month for insurance for family coverage. Third, if you make under 25,000 a year you and your family qualify for FREE health insurance. Plus many states have supplemental plans that will cover children free of charge as well.
 
fats71

fats71

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2591987
My point is everyone can't afford this... $600 for health, $100 for car,

[hr]
lets say $600... food $300+.. utilities $250... gas, etc, etc. Basically if you make less than $30K -$40K insurance is unaffordable... You are not able to save and provide your family with basic things... I didn't include a car payment or many of the other things needed... not to mention the inablility to save.
According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the average cost of a family policy is about $12,000, with employers picking up $8,800 of that amount. Under McCain's plan, that $8,800 contribution by employers could be replaced by a $5,000 tax credit.
Under McCain's plan, families would receive a $5,000 tax credit — $2,500 for individuals — every year. Consumers would choose their insurance provider, then inform the government of that selection by mail or e-mail.
The $5,000 would be sent directly to that insurance provider.
Critics contend that McCain's plan would increase the number of uninsured Americans — now at 47 million people — because it would remove tax deductions for employers that provide insurance to their employees.
Without the tax incentive to provide health insurance to workers, many companies might abandon the practice, some experts say.
Even with the tax deduction currently in place, the Kaiser Family Foundation found that more than 8,000 Ohio companies stopped providing health coverage between 2001 and 2005, affecting more than 515,000 workers
We also know that individual plans are much higher than group rates, and are more likely to increase at a higher % year of year...
Does this sound like a plan that you would be better off with?

Simple solution stop having kids you can not afford for one. Then cut out smoking drinking etc. Then stop buying new suburbans and living in squaller. Then do not put 5k in dubs on your 2 thousand dollar turd. Do not buy lobster with your food stamps. Do not sell your food stamps for .50 cents on the dollar to support your crack habit.
You know the people who complain about not having any money sure seem to be able to buy all of the things above but when it comes to bill time they are tapped.
I do not have a job anymore semi- retired with no income other than my wifes at this point. I do however make an extra 20k to 40k without having a job doing it legally by buying and selling things. I bred German shepherd imports for police bomb protection etc. I mean if you really want to be able to afford something get off your dead beat butt and provide.
I see everyone wanting something for free and it sure seems like they are all Dem's..
I will not accept a dollar off the gov even if I had nothing because I am smart enough to know how to get it with my own steam. "THE LEGAL WAY"
I am not directing this at anyone in particular just tired off the whining how people can not afford something but they are here bragging about how they just bought another 220 and spent 3k in supplies...
 
crashbandicoot

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2592086
Simple solution stop having kids you can not afford for one. Then cut out smoking drinking etc. Then stop buying new suburbans and living in squaller. Then do not put 5k in dubs on your 2 thousand dollar turd. Do not buy lobster with your food stamps. Do not sell your food stamps for .50 cents on the dollar to support your crack habit.
You know the people who complain about not having any money sure seem to be able to buy all of the things above but when it comes to bill time they are tapped.
I do not have a job anymore semi- retired with no income other than my wifes at this point. I do however make an extra 20k to 40k without having a job doing it legally by buying and selling things. I bred German shepherd imports for police bomb protection etc. I mean if you really want to be able to afford something get off your dead beat butt and provide.
I see everyone wanting something for free and it sure seems like they are all Dem's..
I will not accept a dollar off the gov even if I had nothing because I am smart enough to know how to get it with my own steam. "THE LEGAL WAY"
I am not directing this at anyone in particular just tired off the whining how people can not afford something but they are here bragging about how they just bought another 220 and spent 3k in supplies...

AMEN !!!!!
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2592008
Once again you display a shocking lack of knowledge on subjects you are debating.
Amount of public financing received by McCain to date: $0
Amount McCain is accused of overspending before opting out in the DNC complaint with the FEC: $0
Rules McCain broke by using his wife's jet and paying the first class rate for it's use: 0
Nice try

he paid for fuel...he got the jet use at a far lower rate
He signed up for public financing and is trying to renige (spelling?) but he did recieve savings of hundreds of thousands with not having to pay to get his name on the ballot... something that candidates have to pay for who don't get financing .. as well as other benefits..
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2592072
I have not looked at McCains plan yet, but it doesn't socialize medicine. I do know that.
I love how you inflate your numbers and don't give all the info.
12,100 is the average that was paid to health companies. Only 3100 of that was picked up by the employee with the employer picking up the rest. So your 600 dollar a month figure doesn't fly, as one, it is pre taxed in some cases. Two, the math comes out to around 270 dollars a month for insurance for family coverage. Third, if you make under 25,000 a year you and your family qualify for FREE health insurance. Plus many states have supplemental plans that will cover children free of charge as well.
You don't get free health insurance... kids do.
But use my math... 12,000 for policy...12,000-5,000= 7,000 right

7,000 / 12(months) = 583.33 ( I rounded up to 584) someone else mentioned 600 so since it was a round # and could be rounded up perhaps to $600.
As I stated in the plan... that many employers would no longer offer the $8,800 to the plan... because the $5,000 would be given directly to the insurance provider... You also fail to include people who don't have employer sponsered plans... So under this plan... it is very likely you would pay $270 more per month than you already do..
And the problem is that many people can't afford to have insurance if their employer didn't cover most of the costs. This would basically raise health ins costs and you'd have more uninsured... Also, there is not a big difference b/w those who make $25k -$30k ... And just because people make less in their jobs than you do... doesn't mean they are lazy.
 
suzy

suzy

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2592008
Once again you display a shocking lack of knowledge on subjects you are debating.
Rules McCain broke by using his wife's jet and paying the first class rate for it's use: 0
Nice try

You display a lack of knowledge about the bill that McCain pushed to allow him to use her private jet without paying a cent. He put a clause in that allows him to use his "families" stuff for his campaign! Pretty sneaky, McSame!
 
suzy

suzy

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2592038
So your idea is to saddle everyone with the cost of a families health insurance.
Is McBush's plan better?
Originally Posted by FACTCHECK.ORG
McCain's $5,000 Promise
May 1, 2008
His new ad only tells half the story of what his health proposal could mean for U.S. workers.
Summary
McCain says in a new TV ad: "Let's give every American family a $5,000 refundable tax credit" to buy health insurance.
Sounds good. But McCain failed to mention how existing employer-sponsored health benefits would be affected.
• Workers would be taxed on the value of any employer-paid health benefits, partially offsetting the $5,000 credit for those now covered by such plans.
•Experts say a tax credit plan like this would likely cause companies to reduce or eliminate health benefits for their employees.
The aim of the McCain plan is to reduce health care costs through increased competition, by encouraging individuals to shop around for health insurance and medical care. There are many who favor such an approach, and we take no position on it one way or the other. But McCain's simplistic ad misleads viewers by promising to give "every American family" a $5,000 benefit while failing to mention what he would also take away.
 
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