Obama's Communist/Marxist ties

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2590561
I love all the Obama and Anti Obama threads. You guys must be really fearful of him or fearful of the idea of a black president. Didn't you guys cover all of this in the other Obama thread, I don't see anything new here?
As I stated to Rylan...it has nothing to do with the way NObam looks...it is what he stands for.
I would fully support a COndy Rice presidency or VP in the future...and even a JC Watts....so your point is?

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2590565
It makes me wonder what their true motivations are... Not accusing anyone of anything..
My motivations have already been covered on numerous threads. Feel free to wonder till you pass out.

You can cover an implied accusation with a cop out ending statement...does not matter to me.
My goal has been to expose an unknown...to question and to conclude. What I know now is troubling regarding NObama.
NObama was given a free ride for over a year. His gravy train is over...and he is now becoming known.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2590760
Obama is a Constitutional Law professor at a prestigious school... but I guess you will say you know more than him, right?

I beleive someone with an IQ of 60 would have realized Uncle Rev Wright was a racist hater after about 4 "sermons". It took NObama 20 years and how many hours of taped footage on the networks? Plus, a second round of Unlce Rev and his Greatest Hits for him to finally denounce him like a typical politician would do?
Yes, an individual with an IQ of 60 would no more than NObama regarding his favorite Uncle.....so your point is?
One can be book smart but lack common sense. Perhaps NObama was absent the day they gave out common sense...he appears to always be absent at key moments.
Of course..he could have known it all along and simply supports it.....making him no dummy...just a supporter of hate and racist positions. You decide.

 

[reefraff]

Gads researching Obama's law "career" turns up more BS on him.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,5511037.story

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2590792
I disagree with calling someone a communist because you don't believe he should be our president. I also disagree with calling someone a communist because he/she wants to vote for the person you don't support as president. But in truth, I do not yet know who I will vote for.
If you mess with the bull...

I don't throw that term around loosely because it isn't a effective way to debate, unless you happen to have the facts to back it up. I considered Obama a left wing liberal until researching a few e-mails I had quite frankly considered about as legit as the Obama is a Muslim ones. After reading an article that confirmed one the of the e-mails I pulled the others back out of the deleated folder and researched those as well.
Considering Obamas voting record and his associations with people including one he called a father figure who were activists in promoting communist causes I don't think it's a stretch to conclude he is a Marxist/Communist/Socialist.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2590601
Listen to McCain's response to being blasted on the Gas Tax...
Summarized...
" Maybe with that extra $30 bucks you save at the pump ($2.35 per fill up from E to F) you can buy an extra meal at the end of the summer, or buy your kid an extra gift.... Never mind the defecit it would create. Never mind the construction jobs that may be lost as a result. Never mind the much needed attention our highyways and bridges need."
"This is the relief we need! Oh and I forgot, this will cause demand to increase...which will cause the price to go up quicker than it would without this proposal."
Clinton is saying
"This is great idea... we also can tax oil companies50% once their profits reach a certain level... what this will also is be spread down to consumers in higher costs to make up the difference...basically making oil companies richer.
Those are "Solutions for America" and "A Little Straignt Talk"
please list the bipartisan bills written by NObama as a US Senator and passed regarding oil/gas. Please let me no the impact at the pump.
Please tell me the authority the office of the president has on the global oil market regarding setting price for same. Please tell me the authority the president currently has over the domestic oil industry?
Please site the Nobama position regarding drilling/refining in the US. Please site the experience Nobama has in dealing with a global oil market.
Also, you argue agaisnt yourself becuase you claim the tax holiday will have no impact on prices...yet it will cause the demand to go up....how?
it appears to me you agree prices will be lower in order to argue increased demand. Also, if it casues demand to go up over and above the tax break how does this create a deficit?
I see several contradictions.....

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2591448
Seriously, lets put this economic issue to rest. 153 out of every 154 homes are not in the foreclosure. That means 99.4% of home owners aren't in a forclosure process. We have had 26 consecutive quarters of positive real GDP growth. And would have to go back to 1991 for a year of net loss in GDP. And I actually saw an article today (not that I agree or dissagree but it was an interesting point) that said that banks are overestimated their exposure to risk when it come to predicting losses. So, although today's economy isn't the best it has ever been, it isn't the worst it has ever been and is still growing.
It's 1992 all over again. The recession had ended in mid 91 but you would never know that from the media reports. Its amazing to hear people on the news refer to a recession when they know perfectly well it isn't. It very well might be at some point but watching the way the stock market is acting right now I don't think so.

 

[scubadoo]

Liberation THeology is the basis for Nobama's church...marxist philosophy?...
In an article by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger - Benedict XVI, Liberation Theology written in 1984, he commented.
“The moral challenge of poverty and oppression presented itself in an ineluctable form at the very moment when Europe and North America had attained a hitherto unknown affluence. This challenge evidently called for new answers which were not to be found in the existing tradition. The changed theological and philosophical situation was a formal invitation to seek the answer in a Christianity which allowed itself to be guided by the models of hope — apparently scientifically grounded — put forward by Marxist philosophies.”
“[In] the new philosophical climate of the late sixties… the Marxist analysis of history and society was largely accepted as the only “scientific” one. This means that the world must be interpreted in terms of the class struggle and that the only choice is between capitalism and Marxism. It also means that all reality is political and has to justify itself politically. The biblical concept of the ‘poor’ provides a starting point for fusing the Bible’s view of history with Marxist dialectic; it is interpreted by the idea of the proletariat in the Marxist sense and thus justifies Marxism as the legitimate hermeneutics for understanding the Bible.”

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2591455
Wow, I seem to remember correcting you in the past and you got all....how can I say this nicely.....pouty.

Moi?? Pouty??
Come on Grouper... you've never corrected me about anything in your life. But don't feel bad because I've never wrote anything wrong that could be corrected. You may have simply disagreed with me but that's only because you're not enlightened... yet.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2591542
Just curious about your post...wondering if you have actually done any research on the OP as being accurate and factual. If you beleive it to be simple "spewing" , please bring something here claiming the OP is filled with "falsehoods".
The funny thing here is that I haven't made a single political argument or debate in this entire thread. I simply asked the OP a couple of reasonable questions about the conclusions he drew. To this point, not a single one of these very simple questions have been answered. That's why it's "spewing".

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2591668
Moi?? Pouty??
Come on Grouper... you've never corrected me about anything in your life. But don't feel bad because I've never wrote anything wrong that could be corrected. You may have simply disagreed with me but that's only because you're not enlightened... yet.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2591554
As I stated to Rylan...it has nothing to do with the way NObam looks...it is what he stands for.
I would fully support a COndy Rice presidency or VP in the future...and even a JC Watts....so your point is?
I campaigned for Ken Blackwell, and think Ohio would be better off with a conservative (black or white)at the helm. I do not care the color of a man's ( or woman's) skin. I care about the content of their character. Obama is a social Marxist. That is the opposite of what our country was founded upon

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2591668
Moi?? Pouty??
Come on Grouper... you've never corrected me about anything in your life. But don't feel bad because I've never wrote anything wrong that could be corrected. You may have simply disagreed with me but that's only because you're not enlightened... yet.

Do you want me to correct your puctuation in that post?
So, are you "enlighted" to the ways of Marx?

 

[nwdyr]

They are all a(*&^% we just have to choose the "least" bad. It just so happens that Obama is by far the worst!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2591431
Billary has already been covered on other threads in the past. . NObama appears to be headed for the nomination...unless he has more uncles in his closet.....he still has Ayers/Dohrn and the Rezko trial is still ongoing.
Since NObama has surrounded himself with those that love America...we could be one revelation away from another hater uncle falling from the rafters.
Obama has no involment of Rezko trial or activities... try looking up something that a candidate is involved with such as a current case Paul v. Clinton.. if you want to discuss fraud and campaign fundraising.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2591692
I campaigned for Ken Blackwell, and think Ohio would be better off with a conservative (black or white)at the helm. I do not care the color of a man's ( or woman's) skin. I care about the content of their character. Obama is a social Marxist. That is the opposite of what our country was founded upon
No way to Ken Blackwell... I am also from Ohio and black... voted against him. So if you care about character, Blackwell is not the one. He tried to get black people to vote for him because he was black... I remember listening to his campaign commercials... He also was involved in some sort of illegal payments to state employees.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2591567

Liberation THeology is the basis for Nobama's church...marxist philosophy?...
In an article by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger - Benedict XVI, Liberation Theology written in 1984, he commented.
“The moral challenge of poverty and oppression presented itself in an ineluctable form at the very moment when Europe and North America had attained a hitherto unknown affluence. This challenge evidently called for new answers which were not to be found in the existing tradition. The changed theological and philosophical situation was a formal invitation to seek the answer in a Christianity which allowed itself to be guided by the models of hope — apparently scientifically grounded — put forward by Marxist philosophies.”
“[In] the new philosophical climate of the late sixties… the Marxist analysis of history and society was largely accepted as the only “scientific” one. This means that the world must be interpreted in terms of the class struggle and that the only choice is between capitalism and Marxism. It also means that all reality is political and has to justify itself politically. The biblical concept of the ‘poor’ provides a starting point for fusing the Bible’s view of history with Marxist dialectic; it is interpreted by the idea of the proletariat in the Marxist sense and thus justifies Marxism as the legitimate hermeneutics for understanding the Bible.”
Wasn't this guy close to being Pope, and is a high ranking Catholic in the Vatican? I would need to hear more, what is his position on it?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2591805
Obama has no involment of Rezko trial or activities... try looking up something that a candidate is involved with such as a current case Paul v. Clinton.. if you want to discuss fraud and campaign fundraising.
But he did buy the property next store together with obama... You are telling me that if Bush went and purchased a house and some criminal purchased the lot at the very same time, and the owner said that if the lot was not purchased then he wouldn't accept Bush's offer you wouldn't at least be strongly suspicious?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2591560
I beleive someone with an IQ of 60 would have realized Uncle Rev Wright was a racist hater after about 4 "sermons". It took NObama 20 years and how many hours of taped footage on the networks? Plus, a second round of Unlce Rev and his Greatest Hits for him to finally denounce him like a typical politician would do?
Yes, an individual with an IQ of 60 would no more than NObama regarding his favorite Uncle.....so your point is?
One can be book smart but lack common sense. Perhaps NObama was absent the day they gave out common sense...he appears to always be absent at key moments.
Of course..he could have known it all along and simply supports it.....making him no dummy...just a supporter of hate and racist positions. You decide.

I don't know why I am having a conversation with you on Obama's intelligence or common sense. He is a lawyer who has succeeded at the top universities.. He has advanced in politics very rapidly... He is running for and winning this presidential campaign. He speaks much better than other candidates... and anaylizes information and gives more thoughful responses than the others. You can argue about his decision making when it comes to the church (politically)... but in things that matter to me and the U.S he has been right on Iraq and other issues such as gas and healthcare. This is where judgement matters.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2591823
But he did buy the property next store together with obama... You are telling me that if Bush went and purchased a house and some criminal purchased the lot at the very same time, and the owner said that if the lot was not purchased then he wouldn't accept Bush's offer you wouldn't at least be strongly suspicious?
The answer is no, if it were known he was a criminal I don't think he would have had an association with him. And besides he is not a criminal yet, because he has not even been convicted of anything. Of course there may be some suspicion, but with this guy being real estate giant, I am sure he comes across good (legit) deals every so often, and if he knew of another buyer who was interested in purchasing a property and they would get a better deal if they bought them together... there is nothing wrong with that... its good business. I am sure this has been investigated, and it came back with nothing.