okay.... gotta new 56 gal. For Christmas....

kiefers

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I would like to invite ya'll to take part in my build of a 56 gallon column. I just got it and will be setting it up when I get a stand for it. So..... I'm looking for ideas. I am making it a Reef and debating on sand or argonite keep in mind I do have a Elegance coral (Catalaphyllia jardine).
Filter type and lighting. Please keep in mind too that this is to be budget friendly ( LOL!!)

so...... ready set and go!
 

kiefers

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I would like to post pics but right now I have it sitting in entry way with some some parts and pieces all over it. I currently have a 29 gal. boicube up and running so I will make the transfer when I get a stand for the 56. Then I will be getting pics up. right now its a waiting thing. (Next week)
 

meowzer

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I'm here too....yeah we love pics.....even if there is no stand LOL
and Aragonite is sand.....so what are you asking? (size maybe)
 

mproctor4

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I'm chiming in here on Kiefers behalf---I'm dinking around on the computer and he is out washing my Jeep. Good deal for me
He originally wanted to go with agronite but is concerned that it will hold more debris than sand. He had black sand in the biocube and didn't care for it. It blew around easily and the black absorbed too much color. I'm sure he could get a larger grain sand and a light color sand will reflect more light. Also he has an elegance coral, Flower told him it should be on its side and in the sand so he is wondering if Agronite would be fine enough for it? Many years ago I had crushed coral and have since changed to the agrnoite, which I really prefer. I do however understand the concern for the elegance coral, it is his price piece.
Also wondering about the lights. The tank is 30"Lx18"D x25"H. It is very difficult to find a 30" light. A couple people at our LFS are encouraging him to get LED lights. Since they are so new we are concerned about coral growth with them. Just wondering if anyone has them? Has any thoughts on them or other lighting that might work well for this tank.
 

meowzer

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So you must be the wife...LOL....I have a Sundial 30" T5HO set, BUT my tank is only 18" deep...IDK enough about led's to help though
I have aragonite in all my tanks....Just get a good cuc, and there should be no worries
 

spanko

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From Bob Fenner



"The Waikiki Aquarium (Oahu, Hawai’i) has probably the best specialized "Elegance Coral Tank" I’ve ever seen. Let me describe this set-up for you (all

It has a few inches of fine sand, a bunch (really too many, I'd clear some so you could see the coral specimen) "seagrass" (in their caseThalassia hemprichii) a few fishes (a Phalaena goby, gorgeous green filefish, unid'ed rockfish of some sort), not much circulation, no added aeration, but bright light (the plants and algae were giving off obvious gas bubbles from the halides and sunlight (the roof is "missing")... and the specimen? It is alone, by itself, lying in the "mud/sand" horizontal on the bottom

Now, let me assure you, I've collected this (and other) Caryophyllid (the family of this, the Euphyllias like Frogspawn, hammer...) corals in the wild, and this is how all Elegance corals I've seen live: Horizontal, in relatively stagnant, grassy areas, with bright light, low circulation, with no other stinging celled animals around, in probably "high nutrient" settings

And how do aquarists by and large try to keep Catalaphyllias? In vertical orientations, with brisk, constant circulation, in almost nutrient-free water, with other aggressive stinging-celled animals...

Now, does all this make more/better/any sense? These animals are being kept in barely to un-tolerable conditions. They don't live in environments like your other corals at all. The places where I've seen them live are more like their wild conditions..."
 

mproctor4

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Quote:
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/382788/okay-gotta-new-56-gal-for-christmas#post_3343282
So you must be the wife...LOL....
Yeah, I'm the wife....I'll claim him, he is a good guy
We've been watching ebay and haven't been able to find 30" and our LFS says they can't get them anymore. We will have to keep looking.
His tank is cleaner than mine at the moment........maybe he should move his elegance to my tank! Thanks Spanko---I'm gonna use your info to help convince him of that! LOL
He has some psycho hermit crabs that would keep the agronite clean.
 

acrylic51

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mproctor4 http:///forum/thread/382788/okay-gotta-new-56-gal-for-christmas#post_3343275
I'm chiming in here on Kiefers behalf---I'm dinking around on the computer and he is out washing my Jeep. Good deal for me
He originally wanted to go with agronite but is concerned that it will hold more debris than sand. He had black sand in the biocube and didn't care for it. It blew around easily and the black absorbed too much color. I'm sure he could get a larger grain sand and a light color sand will reflect more light. Also he has an elegance coral, Flower told him it should be on its side and in the sand so he is wondering if Agronite would be fine enough for it? Many years ago I had crushed coral and have since changed to the agrnoite, which I really prefer. I do however understand the concern for the elegance coral, it is his price piece.
Also wondering about the lights. The tank is 30"Lx18"D x25"H. It is very difficult to find a 30" light. A couple people at our LFS are encouraging him to get LED lights. Since they are so new we are concerned about coral growth with them.
Just wondering if anyone has them? Has any thoughts on them or other lighting that might work well for this tank.
They would be a good addition to your new setup.....A quality LED setup either store bought or DIY would have more than enough punch to keep what you would want in your tanks. Spanko, WangoTango could comment or point you to a couple of good threads.....I can't recall off the top of my head, but there is a good site for leds and are a DIY but a very good site to look at....
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Sorry....just thought of what I was thinking.....
www.rapidled.com/servlet/StoreFront
There are a few others but this one usually comes to my mind first.....
 

kiefers

Active Member
Wow..... I have to say wow and thanks honey.... Lol. (that was a lil weird, shes right downstairs too. A new for us. okay it seems that the elegance is a main part of this topic so I will post a couple of picks. Please be patient. thank you all for the posts tho. It is greatly appreciated. I will look into it.
well here are two shots.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
1 of my favorite corals.......A pendant might work, but raising it to high you'll loose the penetration of the MH.....
 

kiefers

Active Member
I'm going to have to read up on this. Sounds familiar tho. Thanx!
I tried getting two more pics up but for some reason the SWF page kept wiffin out on me. will try again later.
 

kiefers

Active Member

okay... finally. These have been place on their side. Last night I fed my entire tank so the corals could eat and he went balistic. He caught some mysis and oyster feast closed up for around 30 min. and reopended and just streatched out. AWESOME!
 

kiefers

Active Member
Quote:Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/382788/okay-gotta-new-56-gal-for-christmas#post_3343285
From Bob Fenner



"The Waikiki Aquarium (Oahu, Hawai’i) has probably the best specialized "Elegance Coral Tank" I’ve ever seen. Let me describe this set-up for you (all
It has a few inches of fine sand, a bunch (really too many, I'd clear some so you could see the coral specimen) "seagrass" (in their caseThalassia hemprichii) a few fishes (a Phalaena
goby, gorgeous green filefish, unid'ed rockfish of some sort), not much circulation, no added aeration, but bright light (the plants and algae were giving off obvious gas bubbles from the halides and sunlight (the roof is "missing")... and the specimen? It is alone, by itself, lying in the "mud/sand" horizontal on the bottom
Now, let me assure you, I've collected this (and other) Caryophyllid (the family of this, the Euphyllias like Frogspawn, hammer...) corals in the wild, and this is how all Elegance corals I've seen live: Horizontal, in relatively stagnant, grassy areas, with bright light, low circulation, with no other stinging celled animals around, in probably "high nutrient" settings

And how do aquarists by and large try to keep Catalaphyllias? In vertical orientations, with brisk, constant circulation, in almost nutrient-free water, with other aggressive stinging-celled animals...

Now, does all this make more/better/any sense? These animals are being kept in barely to un-tolerable conditions. They don't live in environments like your other corals at all. The places where I've seen them live are more like their wild conditions..."
 

kiefers

Active Member
Thanks Spanko I did read this and I believe that this is going to take some thinking on my part. I thought of two things. 1) put the elegance on the bottom of the new tank in the sand (on it's side) and 2) making a bowl like shelf in the L.R. adding the elegance and sand in the middle of the tank so that it will get the lights it needs. the Elegance loves Nitrates and DOC's so the other coral and I are ganna have a talk and see if we can't compromise a little.
Watchya think.
 
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