On being rude

florida joe

Well-Known Member
I am sure the administrators will remove this thread and as is their right ask me not to participate in these boards anymore and I surly will comply but I feel I need to say this
It has been implied that my compassion for getting people to quarantine new arrivals is nothing but rudeness
If you were forced to have me live in your home and there was a chance I had a infectious disease that might in fact kill you it would be your right and my moral and legal obligation to have my self tested and if found infected treated? Do fish not have the same rights?
The great majority of us spend a great deal of money on our equipment and livestock for one purpose only our own pleasure yet find it so hard to spend the $50 to set up and maintain a hospital tank if this was a pure case of ignorance I could understand but most of the posts about ick in our tanks which seems to be the major cause of disease concern comes from people who know enough to set up their tanks cycle them and add living entities and then ask “ how did I get ick in my tank” or “my fish has ick” not being informed is one thing having the information available to you on these boards and not using that information to keep our live stock from being infected is irresponsible in my opinion Our fish don’t want to be infected yet we roll the dice by not quarantine new arrivals knowing full well that the only way to introduce ick into our tank is by introducing something carrying ick in one of its life cycle stages then we lament the situation we brought on ourselves
The more fish we save through quarantine the less that need to be caught to supply the trade and the more that can live out their lives on the worlds reefs the way they were meant to and that’s not a bad thing
So if my being rude gets just one more person to set up and use a quarantine tank then rude I will be
 

njdiver1

Member
I couldn't agree more! I mean, come on... if you're going to spend good $$ for livestock -treat it with a bit of respect and quarantine it - It saves everybody $$
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Joe, I understand what you are saying but there are better ways to go about it than being rude to people. If a person repeatedly does not quarantine or take the advice that is given then it does get frustrating. People that have made a mistake, have acknowledged that and are correcting the mistake, do not deserve to be chastised. They are here asking for help. If you do not want to help these people then simply do not post to them. Many of us here have answered the same ich questions over and over again, but it is to different posters. I am sure that at some point you have done something against your better judgment and had to ask for help. It is part of the learning experience.
 

wifishman1

Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2486023
Joe, I understand what you are saying but there are better ways to go about it than being rude to people. If a person repeatedly does not quarantine or take the advice that is given then it does get frustrating. People that have made a mistake, have acknowledged that and are correcting the mistake, do not deserve to be chastised. They are here asking for help. If you do not want to help these people then simply do not post to them. Many of us here have answered the same ich questions over and over again, but it is to different posters. I am sure that at some point you have done something against your better judgment and had to ask for help. It is part of the learning experience.
well said sep. ive made the same mastakes with saltwater (ich) but just didnt listen. all i know is without you guys keeping on me about a qt i would just said forget it i dont care but now i have a qt tank and im treating the right way. so thanks to all who have helped me over and over and over again.
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by wifishman1
http:///forum/post/2486034
well said sep. ive made the same mastakes with saltwater (ich) but just didnt listen. all i know is without you guys keeping on me about a qt i would just said forget it i dont care but now i have a qt tank and im treating the right way. so thanks to all who have helped me over and over and over again.

You my friend are exactly what I am talking about by your own admission you had a problem with ick and again by your own admission it was people constantly getting on you about setting up a QT and you did set one up and god bless you for it and I am truly sorry if people preserve my frustration as rudeness im sorry I think it insults us all when a hobbyist knows enough to setup and maintain a tank and dose not see the need for quarantine sure we all make mistakes but why must we learn from our own mistakes at the cost of our fish why cant we learn from others some times the end does justify the means but I guess I am in the vast minatory in my way of thinking so as was suggested I will no longer post any responses in the disease and treatment forum for fear of hurting someone’s feelings after all they are just fish .Perhaps there are good reasons for not setting up and utilizing a QT other then lack of information on how to which I find hard to believe but someone please start a thread on why they decided not to quarantine so as to enlighten me
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by michaelf1478
http:///forum/post/2486166
can you set up just a 10gal for a qt?
yes if you are going to keep smaller fish if you dont have a 10g all ready Eclipse brand has a set up 12 g, which is farily inexspensivwe it comes with a tank, hang on filter hood and light
 

coachklm

Active Member
I myself have been frustrated also... and Ive been on the other side of the fence also...
I've gone from helpless...to helpful and if I find myself reading the same problems over and over in threads right under each other
it's easier to just cut and paste the the sticky thread instead of accidently pushing my opinions ...toooo hard (not that you have done that ) but just to save my energy and sanity
we all learn by experience... but only a few learn from others experience.....
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by coachKLM
http:///forum/post/2486182
I myself have been frustrated also... and Ive been on the other side of the fence also...
I've gone from helpless...to helpful and if I find myself reading the same problems over and over in threads right under each other
it's easier to just cut and paste the the sticky thread instead of accidently pushing my opinions ...toooo hard (not that you have done that ) but just to save my energy and sanity
we all learn by experience... but only a few learn from others experience.....

My friend my very first thread in these boards was asking why fish I have maintained for years are suddenly dieing after finally adding a new fish I was well aware of the need to Quarantine but i was looking for a reason to shift the blame with it was really out of just plan laziness I rolled the dice and lost it just hurts me so to see people going through the same thing perhaps if I had some one being rude to me and calling me on my laziness things may have been different
 
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regina13

Guest
I see both sides of this, and do not take a side.
My feeling is if your whole system gets ich or something else bad b/c you didn't QT your fish, I don't feel as sorry for them as someone who did QT. They could have taken a step to try
prevent it.
If you do QT and something happens I will feel sorry b/c you looked out for the well being of your fish, but it just didn't work.

That is just how I feel.
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member

Originally Posted by regina13
http:///forum/post/2486206
I see both sides of this, and do not take a side.
My feeling is if your whole system gets ich or something else bad b/c you didn't QT your fish, I don't feel as sorry for them as someone who did QT. They could have taken a step to try
prevent it.
If you do QT and something happens I will feel sorry b/c you looked out for the well being of your fish, but it just didn't work.

That is just how I feel.
Quarantine is not 100% effective in identifying ick but hypo if preformed correctly (which is the big key) is at breaking the life cycle of ick if we identify it or not its pure physics my problem is I do feel sorry for people that do not take the necessary steps to protect their DT and that’s very frustrating
 

coachklm

Active Member
but QT is a way to not only protect ONE fish but every fish succeptable to something carried on new fish.

you have one fish die in quarentine----= experience
you kill everyfish in your system from not QT ----=mistake

I have to withdrawl from the conversation as I did not lead by example with my last fish... due to certain circumstances...
 

gspitz

New Member
I'll tell you what's frustrating Florida Joe-- reading your posts! Please use some punctuation (periods) in there somewhere.

I do hear you though!
 
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regina13

Guest
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2486237
Quarantine is not 100% effective in identifying ick but hypo if preformed correctly (which is the big key) is at breaking the life cycle of ick if we identify it or not its pure physics my problem is I do feel sorry for people that do not take the necessary steps to protect their DT and that’s very frustrating
It is not 100% effective but, it does lower the risk of it going into your tank and/or you may notice a problem before it is in your tank.
I am not saying I don't care at all but if they don't QT and something goes wrong (and know they should qt) the problem could have been avoided.

Like I said, I don't really want to take a side, because in the beginning I didn't qt and never had a problem, but now I know better.
 

coachklm

Active Member
Originally Posted by gspitz
http:///forum/post/2486294
I'll tell you what's frustrating Florida Joe-- reading your posts! Please use some punctuation (periods) in there somewhere.

I do hear you though!

Lets use this for an example of FRUSTRATION... lol I'm sure he may repeat this to every post he sees that doesn't use puntuation, but after reading his reply -it is rude (real rude) and has a tendancy to begin a off topic argument... (I'm sure that FJ will take his advice in future posts), but he could have worded it in a different manner and still have the same effect.
 
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