Opinions NEEDED! Is there are market for this?

aviator

Member
Yes. I've got the first circuit board cut, but am having a bit of an issue with the supplier of the optocouplers I'm using. Apparently they've decided to discontinue their production (stupid supplier) - so I'm having to go with a different model, which means the circuit board has to change . . . again . . . and get re-cut . . . again . . ah the joys of circuit design and production...
I've been told, privately, by several people that this is an "easy task" - that a timer like this is a simple build, the code needed to run it would run on an Arduino chip/platform, etc...
well, I'm here to tell those people that it's not as easy as you think it is to develop a timer like this that is commercial quality, can run non-stop 24/7/365, doesn't consume HUGE amounts of power, looks good, functions well, doesn't have bugs - and above ALL ELSE - it is SAFE FOR CONSUMERS TO USE... Sure, it could be developed on many different platforms, I'm sure the arduino platform can do this, and probably very well - but the skill of developing a device like this doesn't come in bit-banging the code to make a chip do what you want, thats just one small piece of the puzzle (albeit extremely important)
To this end I submit this image. This is the main board layout of the unit, notice it's not small, simple, or "easy" to reproduce. Why? because it's built properly, grounded properly, devloped properly, designed properly and it is safe. (oh, and if anyone is wondering, I've left out several very key traces, and two components and their traces, to prevent copying)

Sorry to rant, but it frustrates me to no end when people say "eh, I can do that... why would I buy yours for $XXX? you want to much money for a such a simple timer" - simple my arse! a fully developed circuit such as this isn't "simple" - sorry. This board contains both 5V DC and 110VAC - one of the biggest tricks is keeping one section shielded from the other - otherwise you will eventually destroy the microprocessor.
I also have all the connections moved over to RJ45 - and I've added two expansion ports (YEAH!!!) - this makes adding additional modules very easy in the future. Just plug them in, the system recognizes them. I still have to re-work the code a little to include the hardware expansion, but it shouldn't be that much work. The expansion ports are universal enough to handle adding more controlled outlets, adding LED driver modules, a probe module, etc...
But enough on the technical junk.
My hope is to have the beta units ready to ship before December 1. In fact, I might get to ship the first one before thanksgiving (hint hint)
 

desertdawg

Member
Dude, you got skills, when you get done with this can you help me upgrade my puter???

I think your doing an awesome job! Can't wait to start testing!
 
J

jstdv8

Guest
Dawg,
It's not polite to show your WANG on the internet. Especially in someone elses thread
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Looks very good, but to complicated for my simple mind to comprehend or copy......

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Originally Posted by aviator http:///forum/thread/378726/opinions-needed-is-there-are-market-for-this/180#post_3330386
Yes. I've got the first circuit board cut, but am having a bit of an issue with the supplier of the optocouplers I'm using. Apparently they've decided to discontinue their production (stupid supplier) - so I'm having to go with a different model, which means the circuit board has to change . . . again . . . and get re-cut . . . again . . ah the joys of circuit design and production...
I've been told, privately, by several people that this is an "easy task" - that a timer like this is a simple build, the code needed to run it would run on an Arduino chip/platform, etc...
well, I'm here to tell those people that it's not as easy as you think it is to develop a timer like this that is commercial quality, can run non-stop 24/7/365, doesn't consume HUGE amounts of power, looks good, functions well, doesn't have bugs - and above ALL ELSE - it is SAFE FOR CONSUMERS TO USE... Sure, it could be developed on many different platforms, I'm sure the arduino platform can do this, and probably very well - but the skill of developing a device like this doesn't come in bit-banging the code to make a chip do what you want, thats just one small piece of the puzzle (albeit extremely important)
To this end I submit this image. This is the main board layout of the unit, notice it's not small, simple, or "easy" to reproduce. Why? because it's built properly, grounded properly, devloped properly, designed properly and it is safe. (oh, and if anyone is wondering, I've left out several very key traces, and two components and their traces, to prevent copying)

Sorry to rant, but it frustrates me to no end when people say "eh, I can do that... why would I buy yours for $XXX? you want to much money for a such a simple timer" - simple my arse! a fully developed circuit such as this isn't "simple" - sorry. This board contains both 5V DC and 110VAC - one of the biggest tricks is keeping one section shielded from the other - otherwise you will eventually destroy the microprocessor.
I also have all the connections moved over to RJ45 - and I've added two expansion ports (YEAH!!!) - this makes adding additional modules very easy in the future. Just plug them in, the system recognizes them. I still have to re-work the code a little to include the hardware expansion, but it shouldn't be that much work. The expansion ports are universal enough to handle adding more controlled outlets, adding LED driver modules, a probe module, etc...
But enough on the technical junk.
My hope is to have the beta units ready to ship before December 1. In fact, I might get to ship the first one before thanksgiving (hint hint)
 

gill again68

Active Member
Well if it helps, I think its wild that we get to watch a product like this go through development and even better that some of our ideas may end up in the project. I for one am impressed with the whole darn thing. I dont do well with electricity, I get shocked every time I change a wall plug. Now I dont cut the electricity off because I am a man and men dont fear
Anyway keep the updates coming and if you need to rant then rant. I think you will always run into the price war and in these times we the people have to watch our pennies. But with a product like this and someone like yourself building it, I would say that chances are individuals will end up with better quality down the road. My .02
Does anyone have a mirror....I think I have something on my lips.
 

aviator

Member
I've had to put the controller on the back burner for a little bit while I concentrate on work. I am a pilot and my Bi-annual checkride is coming up in the next month or so, so I'm preparing for that as well. As soon as I get a few free moments, I will get back on the controller.
On a positive note, I have the final boards cut and have one of them partially assembled. So far, I've had no issues with it. I'm actually looking to shrink the unit a little so that It's not so bulky, making it look more like a power strip and less like a shoe-box, LOL... I'll make another update as soon as I have more news.
 

gill again68

Active Member
Man what a great excuse. You need to study, I dont want a half prepared pilot on my flight.
Cant wait to see the next update.
 

aviator

Member
Well, I'm finally past my biannual review and will be getting back on the project this week. Should have some photos sometime this week to post.
I've also managed to get a hold of the manufacturer of the touchscreen and am in negotiation for a smallish order for the beta units.
I am happy to report that the proof of concept unit is running faithfully and not giving any issues whatsoever. There have been a few minor tweaks to the code, but nothing that would be a show stopper.
So, I'm a little behind schedule, but not bad. Thanks for everyone's patience.
 

1snapple

Active Member
Update? I know im a little behind but how many ports will you have for hardware? and I think it would be awesome to make for a frag tank. Monitor all parameters and make sleight adjustments when something goes a little wrong. Hook it up to a Calcium reactor, skimmer, lights, powerheads, heaters. And when something breaks like the skimmer, calcium reactor, or heater have it send you a text message or an e-mail. some alert for your smartphone.
 

aviator

Member
Sorry guys, I'm a little indisposed for the Holidays. Will update when I get back home though.
Have a Merry Christmas!
 
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