OT: Latest crop circle. Does this means something out there.
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naturelover
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overanalyzer
what i was trying to say was if we loved our neighbour like we love our self then there will be no trouble in the world, no hate, no different relegions other than everyone belief in god I assume.
As for Bang theory we don't know anything about gravity. you cant see the force, but yet you can feel it, same goes for the bang theory as well as god. I don't want to try to understand god except I do beleive there is a god (I don't beleive in relegions. It is just a way of life for your comfort. you choose what fits for you and put it and seal it as relegion.) .
There might have been an unexplainable force created it(the universe) just like we have gravity, you can't prove it, you can't experience it(unless visit and research) , yet it is possible. Since it does apper here in earth. Just like the crop circles.
what i was trying to say was if we loved our neighbour like we love our self then there will be no trouble in the world, no hate, no different relegions other than everyone belief in god I assume.
As for Bang theory we don't know anything about gravity. you cant see the force, but yet you can feel it, same goes for the bang theory as well as god. I don't want to try to understand god except I do beleive there is a god (I don't beleive in relegions. It is just a way of life for your comfort. you choose what fits for you and put it and seal it as relegion.) .
There might have been an unexplainable force created it(the universe) just like we have gravity, you can't prove it, you can't experience it(unless visit and research) , yet it is possible. Since it does apper here in earth. Just like the crop circles.
overanalyzer
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IC what you are saying and of course there needs to be religion.
First: Just as all religions espouse a love thy neighbor aspect they all espouse a devil/evil force aspect
Second: almost all religions acknowledge the imperfection of hte human psyche or soul ...
Third: the human need for understanding, explanation and organization ....
Fourth: greed and other human impulses .... think of all the evil done in the name of religion .... those acts are true of any organization of a huge scale (politics and corporations being most comparable) .....
What I'm saying is there is no one "right" religion where all other's fail and if you are not part of the "right" religion then you will not make it to heaven (contrary to several different faith groups- quakers/shakers/mormons ...)
I can experience gravity - and I can experience religious feelings - even religious ecstasy - but I can't experience the Big Bang - nor can I experience a living breathing Tyrannousaur Rex (forgive my spelling) ....
Your statement: I don't beleive in relegions. It is just a way of life for your comfort. you choose what fits for you and put it and seal it as relegion
So what you actually have is a religious movement there. Logic:
Naturelovers belief system is:
I don't believe in ~x
~x is nothing more than a description of C
C becomes your belief system
Above you will find Naturelover's description of his/her belief system. The Belief System is defined as C
C is nothing more than a description of ~x
Therefore Naturelover's belief system is a system of non-belief in belief systems
Or in other words your belief system is a belief system founded on not believing in other belief systems.
Go back and replace belief system with religion in the above statement:
Or in other words your religion is a religion founded on not believing in other religions ....
Man I miss my college philosophy days ....
First: Just as all religions espouse a love thy neighbor aspect they all espouse a devil/evil force aspect
Second: almost all religions acknowledge the imperfection of hte human psyche or soul ...
Third: the human need for understanding, explanation and organization ....
Fourth: greed and other human impulses .... think of all the evil done in the name of religion .... those acts are true of any organization of a huge scale (politics and corporations being most comparable) .....
What I'm saying is there is no one "right" religion where all other's fail and if you are not part of the "right" religion then you will not make it to heaven (contrary to several different faith groups- quakers/shakers/mormons ...)
I can experience gravity - and I can experience religious feelings - even religious ecstasy - but I can't experience the Big Bang - nor can I experience a living breathing Tyrannousaur Rex (forgive my spelling) ....
Your statement: I don't beleive in relegions. It is just a way of life for your comfort. you choose what fits for you and put it and seal it as relegion
So what you actually have is a religious movement there. Logic:
Naturelovers belief system is:
I don't believe in ~x
~x is nothing more than a description of C
C becomes your belief system
Above you will find Naturelover's description of his/her belief system. The Belief System is defined as C
C is nothing more than a description of ~x
Therefore Naturelover's belief system is a system of non-belief in belief systems
Or in other words your belief system is a belief system founded on not believing in other belief systems.
Go back and replace belief system with religion in the above statement:
Or in other words your religion is a religion founded on not believing in other religions ....
Man I miss my college philosophy days ....
naturelover
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Tim,
Thanks for trying to make me understand. There are places in bible that are confusing all everyone can say is just believe with blind faith without proof.
Which will question back to why god gave you the ability to think, beleive, analyse, understand and decide.
Lets see if i say i am stupid to put those points down and you either say yes I must be stupid or you say that I am not.
Either way you just have to beleive in blind faith on what I am telling,until you get a right answer by researching you don't know If I am really stupid or not.
Does it make sense..
Thanks for trying to make me understand. There are places in bible that are confusing all everyone can say is just believe with blind faith without proof.
Which will question back to why god gave you the ability to think, beleive, analyse, understand and decide.
Lets see if i say i am stupid to put those points down and you either say yes I must be stupid or you say that I am not.
Either way you just have to beleive in blind faith on what I am telling,until you get a right answer by researching you don't know If I am really stupid or not.
Does it make sense..
naturelover
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don't believe in ~x
~x is nothing more than a description of C
C becomes your belief system
hmm, from my logic you forgot ~x =G
~x=C then C-->G.(or C=G)
EDIT:
in other words your religion is a religion founded on not believing in other religions.
it goes for every relegion. The reason we have different relegions is we don't want to beleive in other relegion. But if you take christianity as whole it is not relegion. Thats way of life, not relegion. and that's the kind I beleive in.
~x is nothing more than a description of C
C becomes your belief system
hmm, from my logic you forgot ~x =G
~x=C then C-->G.(or C=G)
EDIT:
in other words your religion is a religion founded on not believing in other religions.
it goes for every relegion. The reason we have different relegions is we don't want to beleive in other relegion. But if you take christianity as whole it is not relegion. Thats way of life, not relegion. and that's the kind I beleive in.
overanalyzer
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actually you stated G as an absolute: I do beleive there is a god
Therefore there is a constant which is NL(naturelover) <-> G (naturelover assumes there is a god) so with your assumption of G in mind the logic still holds ....
NL doesn't believe in ~x
~x is nothing more than a description of C
C becomes your belief system
Therefore NL's belief system is one where s/he assumes there is a god and NL's belief system is a belief system founded on not believing in other belief systems.
OR
Therefore NL's religion is one where s/he assumes there is a god and NL's religion is a religion founded on not believing in other religions.
Therefore there is a constant which is NL(naturelover) <-> G (naturelover assumes there is a god) so with your assumption of G in mind the logic still holds ....
NL doesn't believe in ~x
~x is nothing more than a description of C
C becomes your belief system
Therefore NL's belief system is one where s/he assumes there is a god and NL's belief system is a belief system founded on not believing in other belief systems.
OR
Therefore NL's religion is one where s/he assumes there is a god and NL's religion is a religion founded on not believing in other religions.
naturelover
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NL doesn't believe in ~x
~x is nothing more than a description of C
C becomes your belief system
OA believe in ~x but does not beleive in C
~x is nothing more than a description of C
~X=C,
C-->G
G is absolute and C is description of ~x, therefor C and ~X must
Point to the same G. I hope you get the point.
Especially this is the reason I tried to avoid relegion debate.
I assume you missed this edit part from previous reply.
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in other words your religion is a religion founded on not believing in other religions.
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it goes for every relegion. The reason we have different relegions is we don't want to beleive in other relegion. But if you take christianity as whole it is not relegion. Thats way of life, not relegion. and that's the kind I beleive in.
~x is nothing more than a description of C
C becomes your belief system
OA believe in ~x but does not beleive in C
~x is nothing more than a description of C
~X=C,
C-->G
G is absolute and C is description of ~x, therefor C and ~X must
Point to the same G. I hope you get the point.
Especially this is the reason I tried to avoid relegion debate.
I assume you missed this edit part from previous reply.
EDIT:
quote:
[hr]
in other words your religion is a religion founded on not believing in other religions.
[hr]
it goes for every relegion. The reason we have different relegions is we don't want to beleive in other relegion. But if you take christianity as whole it is not relegion. Thats way of life, not relegion. and that's the kind I beleive in.
overanalyzer
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always hard to debate with logic revolving around a omnipotent figure ....
I guess my point is that because you have a belief system you have a religion - whether it is organized or not ....
to logically argue or try to prove the existence of God is darn near impossible to do with straight line thinking ...
I guess my point is that because you have a belief system you have a religion - whether it is organized or not ....
to logically argue or try to prove the existence of God is darn near impossible to do with straight line thinking ...
naturelover
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This has been interesting debate, It was nice.
BTW overanalyzer I am a 37yrs old guy still trying to understand things. I know I can't spell or write well in english and I hope everyone understood what I was explaining. Call me moron or anything you want. yet it was nice debate.
BTW overanalyzer I am a 37yrs old guy still trying to understand things. I know I can't spell or write well in english and I hope everyone understood what I was explaining. Call me moron or anything you want. yet it was nice debate.
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daniel411
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Just a small comment on the person who mentioned the big bang... The two former leading academics on it, Carl Sagan and Stephan Hawkings.... actually Einstein devoted the last decade or so of his life working on it from a different angle to no avail.... anyways, ALL THREE of them have stated that if anything proves that there is a god... its the existance of the big bang... nothingness turning into EVERYTHING.
naturelover
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Tim,
Here is something that everyone might think about the fall into mercy theory.
Since the other cultures or any others out there might have not heard gods calling.
They didn't know that only way to heaven is through Christ therefor hasn't had chance to reject him.
This leads them into heaven. This goes for every single human being on earth.
This cannot be right since Bible says everyone get one chance before they die to accept god.
Here is something that everyone might think about the fall into mercy theory.
Since the other cultures or any others out there might have not heard gods calling.
They didn't know that only way to heaven is through Christ therefor hasn't had chance to reject him.
This leads them into heaven. This goes for every single human being on earth.
This cannot be right since Bible says everyone get one chance before they die to accept god.
overanalyzer
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Originally posted by Daniel411
Just a small comment on the person who mentioned the big bang... The two former leading academics on it, Carl Sagan and Stephan Hawkings.... actually Einstein devoted the last decade or so of his life working on it from a different angle to no avail.... anyways, ALL THREE of them have stated that if anything proves that there is a god... its the existance of the big bang... nothingness turning into EVERYTHING.
One of the ancient Greeks had a theory where everything turned inside concentrict circles and what happened in an outer circle impacted everythign on the inside. So in order to get everything going there was this omnicient being who started all the circles turning - Prime Mobilis - or the prime mover.
That was the point I was trying to make when I said; "Did someone have to pull the trigger to start the big bang??"
Is that even with science you still have to factor in God to start the process ...
overanalyzer
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Originally posted by NatureLover
. The reason we have different relegions is we don't want to beleive in other relegion. But if you take christianity as whole it is not relegion. Thats way of life, not relegion. and that's the kind I beleive in.
I totally understand - this has been a fun discussion!! So your religion is a lifestyle - which is cool - and I think it would describe a lot of people - but what are they worshipping such that they have patterned their life in such a manner??
Some people find other gods to follow ...
OK I broke a cardinal rule of mine - avoid politics and religion in general discussion ....
naturelover
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yes it has been fun discussion. I avoid relegion. In my 37yrs (well 19yrs since over18 can vote) I never voted either. So pretty much I guess we both overanalyzed this discussion.
Some people find other gods to follow.
I don't want to go there, since I beleive there is only one GOD..... (they might take another path like different relegion).
I assume this is EOD.
Some people find other gods to follow.
I don't want to go there, since I beleive there is only one GOD..... (they might take another path like different relegion).
I assume this is EOD.
bonermeister
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Originally posted by NatureLover
Tim,
Here is something that everyone might think about the fall into mercy theory.
Since the other cultures or any others out there might have not heard gods calling.
They didn't know that only way to heaven is through Christ therefor hasn't had chance to reject him.
This leads them into heaven. This goes for every single human being on earth.
This cannot be right since Bible says everyone get one chance before they die to accept god.
It is not a free ticket to heaven because you never heard of Jesus Christ, but I cannot imagine God being as merciful and forgiving as he is to send people to hell because they have never heard of Jesus Christ and lived reasonably good lives. If they never heard of him and never had a chance to reject him, I assume they will be assessed on Judgement Day.
naturelover
Member
Since we talked about logic here , here is something to relax your mind.
Stranger comes to a street cross that is Y shaped. There sits a house and in the house lives identical twins. One always tells truth and the other one always tells lies.One is always home and is it the one tells lies or truth stranger don't know.
Stranger can ask only one question and have to find the right path he need to travel.
Lets say the road on that Y shape cross split into X and Z, the stranger wants to goto road named Z but he don't know which is Z. What question should stranger ask to findout which road is Z.
Bonermeister. It is not a free ticket to heaven because you never heard of Jesus Christ, but I cannot imagine God being as merciful and forgiving as he is to send people to hell because they have never heard of Jesus Christ and lived reasonably good lives. If they never heard of him and never had a chance to reject him, I assume they will be assessed on Judgement Day.
Take a newborn, a newborn cries after mommy and make them think of needing something. Mommy thinks the baby need milk, but it might cry just to get mommies attention for holding it, make a change or food or to let know anything else. So even a newborn know how to communicate. If a newborn makes a mom think of different things then god can make a man think many differnt ways too. yet all falls into beleving in GOD.
I know your intrest is bible. So take the facts from bible and try to understand rather than assuming about judgementday.
Bible says everyone get one chance before they die to accept god. Then don't assume about they have to wait for judgementday after death.
Stranger comes to a street cross that is Y shaped. There sits a house and in the house lives identical twins. One always tells truth and the other one always tells lies.One is always home and is it the one tells lies or truth stranger don't know.
Stranger can ask only one question and have to find the right path he need to travel.
Lets say the road on that Y shape cross split into X and Z, the stranger wants to goto road named Z but he don't know which is Z. What question should stranger ask to findout which road is Z.
Bonermeister. It is not a free ticket to heaven because you never heard of Jesus Christ, but I cannot imagine God being as merciful and forgiving as he is to send people to hell because they have never heard of Jesus Christ and lived reasonably good lives. If they never heard of him and never had a chance to reject him, I assume they will be assessed on Judgement Day.
Take a newborn, a newborn cries after mommy and make them think of needing something. Mommy thinks the baby need milk, but it might cry just to get mommies attention for holding it, make a change or food or to let know anything else. So even a newborn know how to communicate. If a newborn makes a mom think of different things then god can make a man think many differnt ways too. yet all falls into beleving in GOD.
I know your intrest is bible. So take the facts from bible and try to understand rather than assuming about judgementday.
Bible says everyone get one chance before they die to accept god. Then don't assume about they have to wait for judgementday after death.
overanalyzer
Active Member
Originally posted by NatureLover
Some people find other gods to follow.
I assume this is EOD.
yes they do ... not saying is one is more appropriate than another but hte one I most often see is the god called money ....
nah ... I'll follow -just getting late tonight ....
bonermeister
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Originally posted by NatureLover
Bible says everyone get one chance before they die to accept god. Then don't assume about they have to wait for judgementday after death.
Life is your one chance. You have to seek the truth to find it. After death it is too late.
Read Hebrews 11.6.
naturelover
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Life is your one chance. You have to seek the truth to find it. After death it is too late.
Which is same as you have one chance to accept god, and you have to look into other points I mentioned again.
Here is what I mentioned earlier slightly modified for you .
God has mercy on people who didn't do sin or lived good life. yet we all are born sinners, we all have greed, nobody need to teach us to lie. Only way to get rid of your sin is by salvation/saving (if you agree on we are desentens of adam and eve then you must agree on being sinner) and since no one have to teach us to do sin you have to agree on we are sinners.
If we are sinners then you must agree on no one goes to heaven with sin.
If you agree on no one goes to heaven with sin or without knowing Christ and have to seek the truth to find it.
Then I can't seek to find a truth if I don't even know if it is exists.(Simple example is you mentioned once before I must be stupid, since i cannot spell and I am in bottom 2% of world when it comes to IQ. You didn't know, bottom 2% people are officially counted as mentally challenged or mentally deformed. by saying that you showed that you didn't know the truth and you didn't seek the truth. it might be true, it might not until you know it for sure. If you think i am stupid then you wouldn't be replying to messages I have sent, cause a stupid will drag you to his level and beat you there. If you think I am not stupid then the messages I have sent must have made some sense for you to reply. ).
If you agree on seeking the truth to find it, then you have to agree you can seek for the truth only if you know it exists or there is something to seek. For those who didn't know Christ exist, they don't have anything to seek since it is not the truth for those who didn't know about him (Fact is there are people who don't beleive in man landed on moon as well no other human race exist and so on.)
If all falls into place and there are people who didn't know christianity exists or Christ exist. If they don't know then they can't seek the truth.
Man I am getting tired. This is the first time I have been in discussion since 1992. In my life all I knew was christianity until I started learning about other branches.
Just a simple logic. But like overanalyzer mentioned we cannot discuess GOD in just simple logic, but we could try to explain someone by simple logic. Maybe in your term I might be wrong, but yet I have facts from real world and Bible.
Which is same as you have one chance to accept god, and you have to look into other points I mentioned again.
Here is what I mentioned earlier slightly modified for you .
God has mercy on people who didn't do sin or lived good life. yet we all are born sinners, we all have greed, nobody need to teach us to lie. Only way to get rid of your sin is by salvation/saving (if you agree on we are desentens of adam and eve then you must agree on being sinner) and since no one have to teach us to do sin you have to agree on we are sinners.
If we are sinners then you must agree on no one goes to heaven with sin.
If you agree on no one goes to heaven with sin or without knowing Christ and have to seek the truth to find it.
Then I can't seek to find a truth if I don't even know if it is exists.(Simple example is you mentioned once before I must be stupid, since i cannot spell and I am in bottom 2% of world when it comes to IQ. You didn't know, bottom 2% people are officially counted as mentally challenged or mentally deformed. by saying that you showed that you didn't know the truth and you didn't seek the truth. it might be true, it might not until you know it for sure. If you think i am stupid then you wouldn't be replying to messages I have sent, cause a stupid will drag you to his level and beat you there. If you think I am not stupid then the messages I have sent must have made some sense for you to reply. ).
If you agree on seeking the truth to find it, then you have to agree you can seek for the truth only if you know it exists or there is something to seek. For those who didn't know Christ exist, they don't have anything to seek since it is not the truth for those who didn't know about him (Fact is there are people who don't beleive in man landed on moon as well no other human race exist and so on.)
If all falls into place and there are people who didn't know christianity exists or Christ exist. If they don't know then they can't seek the truth.
Man I am getting tired. This is the first time I have been in discussion since 1992. In my life all I knew was christianity until I started learning about other branches.
Just a simple logic. But like overanalyzer mentioned we cannot discuess GOD in just simple logic, but we could try to explain someone by simple logic. Maybe in your term I might be wrong, but yet I have facts from real world and Bible.