Palin/Biden
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bionicarm
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The buzzword of the day is Maverick.
Palin is a good debater, but as the other thread has stated, has one of the most annoying voices I've ever heard. I still see that picture of the female cop who played in Fargo everytime I hear her speak. The "Ya Know's" and "By Golly's" got old real quick. I think she was trying to connect with the Down Home Middle Class, and she did just that.
She definitely likes that energy policy. Gee, I wonder why...
What concerned me the most was her response to the question of what she would do if something happened to McCain and she became President. Biden was specific that he would continue Obama's policies, plus stated other things he would do based on his own goals and beliefs. Palin started off by saying her and McCain tend to disagree on various issues (I think she mentioned Darfur?), but didn't quantify exactly what policies she would follow - McCain's or her own. So if something did happen to McCain, what would we get?
The only other thing that bothered me was her comments about the duties and responsiblities of the Vice President. Did she not state that the powers of the Vice President need to be modified? Is she wanting to change the Articles of the Constitution regarding the role and responsibilities of the VP? I can say one thing about her. She doesn't want to be the kind of VP that just hangs out at ribbon cutting ceremonies, and sits in the background staying unnoticed. Sounded like she would go as far as stabbing McCain in the back to get a little more power under her belt. Scary...
Palin is a good debater, but as the other thread has stated, has one of the most annoying voices I've ever heard. I still see that picture of the female cop who played in Fargo everytime I hear her speak. The "Ya Know's" and "By Golly's" got old real quick. I think she was trying to connect with the Down Home Middle Class, and she did just that.
She definitely likes that energy policy. Gee, I wonder why...
What concerned me the most was her response to the question of what she would do if something happened to McCain and she became President. Biden was specific that he would continue Obama's policies, plus stated other things he would do based on his own goals and beliefs. Palin started off by saying her and McCain tend to disagree on various issues (I think she mentioned Darfur?), but didn't quantify exactly what policies she would follow - McCain's or her own. So if something did happen to McCain, what would we get?
The only other thing that bothered me was her comments about the duties and responsiblities of the Vice President. Did she not state that the powers of the Vice President need to be modified? Is she wanting to change the Articles of the Constitution regarding the role and responsibilities of the VP? I can say one thing about her. She doesn't want to be the kind of VP that just hangs out at ribbon cutting ceremonies, and sits in the background staying unnoticed. Sounded like she would go as far as stabbing McCain in the back to get a little more power under her belt. Scary...
crimzy
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Palin did nothing to cause any damage. She had about 10-15 talking points on her paper and she just stuck to that script, regardless of what was asked, (ie. energy, "maverick", real American, etc). She did nothing to win a ton of votes but probably won't lose a ton of votes either. I thought Biden did well.
socal57che
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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2779355
Yeah, she sounded like she wanted to take Cheney's interpretation of the VP responsibilities and run with it...
I could live with that.
http:///forum/post/2779355
Yeah, she sounded like she wanted to take Cheney's interpretation of the VP responsibilities and run with it...
I could live with that.
el guapo
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I thought Palin won .
I thought she made a very good point about Obama/Biden just looking back and pointing fingers .
His body language was not the best either . He looked intimidated and confused .
I think bringing up the point that Biden had said Obama was not ready to lead but know he is ready to follow him into the white house .
I thought she made a very good point about Obama/Biden just looking back and pointing fingers .
His body language was not the best either . He looked intimidated and confused .
I think bringing up the point that Biden had said Obama was not ready to lead but know he is ready to follow him into the white house .
jennythebugg
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dogfaceman
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i think Biden won, mainly because he answered the questions that were asked, buy Palin did do alot better than i though she would, but what is her actual stance on gay marriage?
1knight164
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Originally Posted by dogfaceman
http:///forum/post/2779465
i think Biden won, mainly because he answered the questions that were asked, buy Palin did do alot better than i though she would, but what is her actual stance on gay marriage?
The question is whether he answered the questions truthfully. We'll see the next few days as the "spinsters" come out to play. As for gay marriage, I thought it was obvious both Biden and Palin were against gay marriage, but for giving them certain rights.
http:///forum/post/2779465
i think Biden won, mainly because he answered the questions that were asked, buy Palin did do alot better than i though she would, but what is her actual stance on gay marriage?
The question is whether he answered the questions truthfully. We'll see the next few days as the "spinsters" come out to play. As for gay marriage, I thought it was obvious both Biden and Palin were against gay marriage, but for giving them certain rights.
reefraff
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Palin did way better than I expected and most others I think. Gottta give her a easy win based on that. She also comes across as very likable. Thats a big help. The moderator could have did a lot better job of making them both answer questions but I don't think she ducked anything any more than he did. They both kept going back to previous questions
darthtang aw
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They both had good moments and not so good moments, a couple times they both looked stunned the other knew so much on a subject and actually had to think of a rebuttal instead of speaking rehearsed talking points.
You want to know who won, watch the polls the Obama fans are so proud of.....
just keep in mind, polls mean jack *&&^. Kerry led in the polls last election by 8 points...................who got the popular vote and the electoral vote?
You want to know who won, watch the polls the Obama fans are so proud of.....
just keep in mind, polls mean jack *&&^. Kerry led in the polls last election by 8 points...................who got the popular vote and the electoral vote?
aquariumrookie
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My opinion is that Palin won by a small margin. I'm not going to go into a big long political rant, but in short, Biden should have tore her apart and he didn't. This was Palin's 1st debate of this magnitude and Biden's 15th. Experience alone should have been an indicator of who should have come out on top. Palin kept her confidence and composure the entire time and did a great job at connecting with the American people. Biden on the other hand seemed rattled a few times throughout the debate and sounded like every other politician who has been brainwashed by DC. I know elections should be based on policies rather than popularity, but the bottom line is that popularity is a big part of this year's election, and Palin scored major popularity points with middle-class average Americans tonight.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by AquariumRookie
http:///forum/post/2779503
My opinion is that Palin won by a small margin. I'm not going to go into a big long political rant, but in short, Biden should have tore her apart and he didn't. This was Palin's 1st debate of this magnitude and Biden's 15th. Experience alone should have been an indicator of who should have come out on top. Palin kept her confidence and composure the entire time and did a great job at connecting with the American people. Biden on the other hand seemed rattled a few times throughout the debate and sounded like every other politician who has been brainwashed by DC. I know elections should be based on policies rather than popularity, but the bottom line is that popularity is a big part of this year's election, and Palin scored major popularity points with middle-class average Americans tonight.
Biden could have very easily ripped into several of Palin's responses. The 'facial expressions' everyone says he had was him holding back from actually attacking Palin. You could see he wanted to go toe-to-toe with her, but I imagine he was told to refrain from confronting Palin head on. Bush Sr. tried that with Ferrero and got burned for it. That's why Biden stuck to just attacking McCain. I agree Palin held her own in the debate. However, with the exception of her Mayberry RFD "Gosh Darn's" and "By Golly's" talking down to the everyday working class, she had no original thoughts. Everything she stated was obviously scripted, and all she did was regurgitate McCain's 'Maverick' policies. Both of them fabricated numbers and historical facts, and neither gained any points in that respect. After it was all said and done, Palin has a better understanding how the Federal Government works, but I don't think she's qualified to run this country if something were to happen to McCain. If she ever got backed into a corner, I think you'd see her stumble all over herself, and want to get on a plane and go back to her home in Wasilla.
http:///forum/post/2779503
My opinion is that Palin won by a small margin. I'm not going to go into a big long political rant, but in short, Biden should have tore her apart and he didn't. This was Palin's 1st debate of this magnitude and Biden's 15th. Experience alone should have been an indicator of who should have come out on top. Palin kept her confidence and composure the entire time and did a great job at connecting with the American people. Biden on the other hand seemed rattled a few times throughout the debate and sounded like every other politician who has been brainwashed by DC. I know elections should be based on policies rather than popularity, but the bottom line is that popularity is a big part of this year's election, and Palin scored major popularity points with middle-class average Americans tonight.
Biden could have very easily ripped into several of Palin's responses. The 'facial expressions' everyone says he had was him holding back from actually attacking Palin. You could see he wanted to go toe-to-toe with her, but I imagine he was told to refrain from confronting Palin head on. Bush Sr. tried that with Ferrero and got burned for it. That's why Biden stuck to just attacking McCain. I agree Palin held her own in the debate. However, with the exception of her Mayberry RFD "Gosh Darn's" and "By Golly's" talking down to the everyday working class, she had no original thoughts. Everything she stated was obviously scripted, and all she did was regurgitate McCain's 'Maverick' policies. Both of them fabricated numbers and historical facts, and neither gained any points in that respect. After it was all said and done, Palin has a better understanding how the Federal Government works, but I don't think she's qualified to run this country if something were to happen to McCain. If she ever got backed into a corner, I think you'd see her stumble all over herself, and want to get on a plane and go back to her home in Wasilla.
reefraff
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Vice presidential debate really make no difference. This one is a little different because Palin was under attack for being unqualified. I think she easily removed that as an issue so she and McCain win no matter what a person's opinion of the debate was. I think Palin has a masterful stage presence and comes across as very likable to most people. I can see why she has been successful in Politics.
I can also see why Biden is not so successful when it comes to seeking higher office. He has a problem connecting with people on TV. He made the same mistake McCain did by responding directly to the moderator instead of the camera. I noticed that in the primary debates as well. Obama, Clinton and Edwards understood how to work the camera.
I can also see why Biden is not so successful when it comes to seeking higher office. He has a problem connecting with people on TV. He made the same mistake McCain did by responding directly to the moderator instead of the camera. I noticed that in the primary debates as well. Obama, Clinton and Edwards understood how to work the camera.
perfectdark
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I give credit to both sides I think they both did well. Palin was bit too scripted than I would of like to of seen, but did better than I think a lot of people thought she would. I thought Biden did a good job even though I dont agree with his views, I think he did well. I thought one of the better parts of the debate were on the issues they both agreed on. To me it appeared that they were both very surprised that they agreed on g ay marriage question.
tigerbarb
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Palin didn't seem prepared for the debate. Well, she was prepared, but seemed new to the whole concept. It seemed as though Palin memorized entire paragraphs, then spoke from them, while Biden spoke from himself. It was a good debate though, and both cantidates spoke good.
O'biden '08!
O'biden '08!
stdreb27
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It really is to bad, if she was going out and being herself, and not doing the McCain script she'd be far more effective.
I think she may be wishing she stayed in Alaska. But only because she is reading the stuff that the McCain camp is telling her to say and can't believe the hogwash.
There is no way a republican is going to win the argument when she blames the free market and wall street. Because at that point the only logical answer is to control the freemarket and wallstreet. A liberal ideology. And that is what she did, meaning that she loses the debate on economics. If she doesn't accept the flawed premise. Then she can turn around and advocate for the free market. An argument when done correctly won't lose.
I think she may be wishing she stayed in Alaska. But only because she is reading the stuff that the McCain camp is telling her to say and can't believe the hogwash.
There is no way a republican is going to win the argument when she blames the free market and wall street. Because at that point the only logical answer is to control the freemarket and wallstreet. A liberal ideology. And that is what she did, meaning that she loses the debate on economics. If she doesn't accept the flawed premise. Then she can turn around and advocate for the free market. An argument when done correctly won't lose.
crimzy
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Bottom line is that Palin did not go there to debate at all. She went with a script and all she had to do was not mess up. In the end, she will not win any new votes with her performance but her supporters will claim that she was good enough. Those supporting Obama will point out her flaws.
In the end, though, I don't think that she would have swayed any uncommitted votes her way. But her job here is just to get through these debates without harming her side.
In the end, though, I don't think that she would have swayed any uncommitted votes her way. But her job here is just to get through these debates without harming her side.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2779686
Bottom line is that Palin did not go there to debate at all. She went with a script and all she had to do was not mess up. In the end, she will not win any new votes with her performance but her supporters will claim that she was good enough. Those supporting Obama will point out her flaws.
In the end, though, I don't think that she would have swayed any uncommitted votes her way. But her job here is just to get through these debates without harming her side.
That is pretty much all they do in these debates.
http:///forum/post/2779686
Bottom line is that Palin did not go there to debate at all. She went with a script and all she had to do was not mess up. In the end, she will not win any new votes with her performance but her supporters will claim that she was good enough. Those supporting Obama will point out her flaws.
In the end, though, I don't think that she would have swayed any uncommitted votes her way. But her job here is just to get through these debates without harming her side.
That is pretty much all they do in these debates.