People vs Pets (VICK)

[rylan1]

There has been a development in the Vick case. It seems to me that Vick may do some jail time, how much I don't know. I and others have came to this conclusion because his co-defendants have made plea agreements and are going to testify against him if the case goes to trial. Its always been of my opinion that Vick may have provided the capital for them to start the venture and that he may of had some role in dog fighting, but ultimately that he is not the one who ran the day to day or killed animals. He may have gambled on some fights, but again had a limited role. His defendants IMO are probably more responsible, however, they are going to roll on him to make him the scapegoat. Vick probably rarely participated in these events. With all that said, I just saw that the wife who shot her preacher husband in the back was released from her mental facility. She spent only 210 days in confinement and is now free to enjoy her life, and is attempting to get her kids back. She was not declared as being insane or crazy, but the judge allowed her to serve her sentence in a mental hospital.
The reason I bring this up is because I don't understand people or the justice system and how we value the life of an animal more than that of a human being. Vick, if sent to prison would probably serve more time then this woman if convicted. And this is not the only case that is like this so I don't want people to assume I'm in favor of what Vick is accused of. But why is it we value the life of a dog more than humans? Why are people calling for the death or inprisionment of a person who abused a dog(s), and not saying anything about a murderer?

 

[nigerbang]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
There has been a development in the Vick case. It seems to me that Vick may do some jail time, how much I don't know. I and others have came to this conclusion because his co-defendants have made plea agreements and are going to testify against him if the case goes to trial. Its always been of my opinion that Vick may have provided the capital for them to start the venture and that he may of had some role in dog fighting, but ultimately that he is not the one who ran the day to day or killed animals. He may have gambled on some fights, but again had a limited role. His defendants IMO are probably more responsible, however, they are going to roll on him to make him the scapegoat. Vick probably rarely participated in these events. With all that said, I just saw that the wife who shot her preacher husband in the back was released from her mental facility. She spent only 210 days in confinement and is now free to enjoy her life, and is attempting to get her kids back. She was not declared as being insane or crazy, but the judge allowed her to serve her sentence in a mental hospital.
The reason I bring this up is because I don't understand people or the justice system and how we value the life of an animal more than that of a human being. Vick, if sent to prison would probably serve more time then this woman if convicted. And this is not the only case that is like this so I don't want people to assume I'm in favor of what Vick is accused of. But why is it we value the life of a dog more than humans? Why are people calling for the death or inprisionment of a person who abused a dog(s), and not saying anything about a murderer?

It is a horrible thing..either way...We as people seem to have put more value on animals rather then people these days...Such as you speak..Also..Unrelated topic and using this for an example..Dont want a huge fight about oil or anything like that.....
They say the main reason we should'nt drill in AK is because it "might" upset the migratory route of the Caribou....
So we would rather depend on other countries rather then upset some animals..Think of it this way..Car. are not endangered..If some happen to die/shot take the skin..Make clothes for those who need it..Give the hungry the food that comes off...
Once again, not trying to stir the Oil hornet nest..Only used that for an example for animals over humans

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Why are people calling for the death or inprisionment of a person who abused a dog(s), and not saying anything about a murderer?

Technically, the wife was convicted of manslaughter, not murder. She alleged spousal abuse and testimony was provided to somewhat back up that claim. Who really knows what happened, but there's room to believe she acted in self defense. When it comes to animal abuse, they have no way to protect themselves, thus the crime seems much more heinous.

 

[nigerbang]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
Technically, the wife was convicted of manslaughter, not murder. She alleged spousal abuse and testimony was provided to somewhat back up that claim. Who really knows what happened, but there's room to believe she acted in self defense. When it comes to animal abuse, they have no way to protect themselves, thus the crime seems much more heinous.
ahhhhh...I didnt and still dont know all the info on the case..That makes sense though..

 

[darthtang aw]

Here is why. In this country we spend over 50 BILLION dollars a year on our pets. That number keeps getting higher each year. The reason it seems like we care more for animals than other people is because People grow tired of being dissappointed by people so the cling to pets and animals and see them as innocent ......much like children. Someone hurts a child, we as society go off and get angry, you hurt an animal, we get angry, you hurt an adult human being we are in different. The perception is the animals and children are defenseless against an adult human and therefore the crime is viewed as more horrendous than shooting an adult.
It is all subconscious public perception.
Think about. You see someone smack a child in the face....your first reaction is what?
You see some one smack the crap out of a dog for no reason your first reaction is what?
You see someone smack the crap out of an adult ......you laugh....

 

[nigerbang]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
It is all subconscious public perception.
Think about. You see someone smack a child in the face....your first reaction is what?
You see some one smack the crap out of a dog for no reason your first reaction is what?
You see someone smack the crap out of an adult ......you laugh....
lol...Sorry about that...I had the mental imagine of a silly face of some haggard person being slapped

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
There has been a development in the Vick case. It seems to me that Vick may do some jail time, how much I don't know. I and others have came to this conclusion because his co-defendants have made plea agreements and are going to testify against him if the case goes to trial. Its always been of my opinion that Vick may have provided the capital for them to start the venture and that he may of had some role in dog fighting, but ultimately that he is not the one who ran the day to day or killed animals. He may have gambled on some fights, but again had a limited role. His defendants IMO are probably more responsible, however, they are going to roll on him to make him the scapegoat. Vick probably rarely participated in these events. With all that said, I just saw that the wife who shot her preacher husband in the back was released from her mental facility. She spent only 210 days in confinement and is now free to enjoy her life, and is attempting to get her kids back. She was not declared as being insane or crazy, but the judge allowed her to serve her sentence in a mental hospital.
The reason I bring this up is because I don't understand people or the justice system and how we value the life of an animal more than that of a human being. Vick, if sent to prison would probably serve more time then this woman if convicted. And this is not the only case that is like this so I don't want people to assume I'm in favor of what Vick is accused of. But why is it we value the life of a dog more than humans? Why are people calling for the death or inprisionment of a person who abused a dog(s), and not saying anything about a murderer?

This is completely rediculous on sooo many levels.
First, without Vick this more then likely would never have happened. You said yourself, he provided the capital and the place for the dog fighting and breeding to take place. So without Vick (aka Ron Mexico) this would never have happened...it a product of his money and support that made this whole operation take place. Therefore, he is no scapegoat because he not only knew what was happening but he also supported it with his $$ and he bet on it. The guy is a POS and I hope he pays for it by never playing in the NFL and it's going to cost him possibly 50mil to a 100mil in endorsements and salary...the guy is a scumbag and an idiot.
Second, do you really believe we as a country value animals over people? What kind of penalty would someone face if they killed their neighbors dog? A fine and that's about it. What would happen if you killed your neighbor in cold blood? Well, you'd go to prison and stay for a while. I don't see how some woman who was ruled insane can be compared to Vick? I think you need to do some fact checking and see how many people in the US are incarcerated for battery, murder and abuse to see just how much we as Americans value the lives of our fellow men and women.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Jmick
This is completely rediculous on sooo many levels.
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Second, do you really believe we as a country value animals over people? What kind of penalty would someone face if they killed their neighbors dog? A fine and that's about it. What would happen if you killed your neighbor in cold blood? Well, you'd go to prison and stay for a while. I don't see how some woman who was ruled insane can be compared to Vick? I think you need to do some fact checking and see how many people in the US are incarcerated for battery, murder and abuse to see just how much we as Americans value the lives of our fellow men and women.

The lady was not ruled insane which is the reason for the post.
Also, here in the Albuquerque New Mexico, if you don't have your dogs' licensed it is a 500 dollar fine and/or 90 days in jail. If your dog gets loose from your yard, same fine. If you are convicted of animal cruelty (not killing the animal but poor living conditions) it is penalized with 5 years in jail now.
However we have the highest DUI problem in the country and many go free off these charges....so there is a significant problem here.

 

[jmick]

The lady was not ruled insane which is the reason for the post.QUOTE]
Either way I don't see how it relates to Vick and how anyone can form a conclusion because of it we value animals over people.

 

[msez2u]

I'm sorry I think this Vick guy should be fried...We dont value animals more then people...But like someone said a few comments up, was that they are seen as innocent. Much like a child. They depend on YOU the person who owns them to provide food, love, comfort and a loving home. These animals were not put on this earth for our entertainment to beat and race and rope and set on fire and destroy how we see fit. Americans dont value LIFE anymore at all... human or animal. When something like this is brought to the attention of the american people, YES there is an out cry and its not because we value the dogs more. It's because we value the LIFE that is behind it.
This quote really hit me hard...
Second, do you really believe we as a country value animals over people? What kind of penalty would someone face if they killed their neighbors dog? A fine and that's about it.
I'm going to tell you something that still haunts my kids to this day that happend close to 10 yrs ago...My neighbor came into my yard where my cat was sitting in my flower bed and shot and killed my cat all right there in front of me and the kids. He looked at me and turned and walked away while stating how much he hated cats. Now do you think this kind of person should be allowed to walk around your house and your family waving a gun around and blasting things away just because he doesn't like them.... I sure don't.... The sergant that came out looked at me and said..."what do you want me to do, he hit what he was aiming at. It's just a cat"....well you know what it was MY CAT it was MY LIFE that I took into my house and fed and cared for. All he got was 6 months in jail and a 3,000 fine..So do you think that was to hard on him?????, What if he would have missed and hit me or one of my kids. Ohhh I'm sure the cops would have been all over him then... I'm sorry but when you can throw a dog to the ground over and over until his skull is crushed or drown them (which is a horrific way to die) or even worse electricute them all becuase they took the fun out of YOUR so called sport you were spending money on..You need to be stoned in every way imaginable. (maybe thats why im never picked to serve on a jury)...Whether he did this or not...He is still quilty. He owned the property, He knew it was going on, He backed the money and even placed bets....Humm then in my book he should HANG like the rest of them....guilt by association.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
There has been a development in the Vick case. It seems to me that Vick may do some jail time, how much I don't know. I and others have came to this conclusion because his co-defendants have made plea agreements and are going to testify against him if the case goes to trial. Its always been of my opinion that Vick may have provided the capital for them to start the venture and that he may of had some role in dog fighting, but ultimately that he is not the one who ran the day to day or killed animals. He may have gambled on some fights, but again had a limited role. His defendants IMO are probably more responsible, however, they are going to roll on him to make him the scapegoat. Vick probably rarely participated in these events. With all that said, I just saw that the wife who shot her preacher husband in the back was released from her mental facility. She spent only 210 days in confinement and is now free to enjoy her life, and is attempting to get her kids back. She was not declared as being insane or crazy, but the judge allowed her to serve her sentence in a mental hospital.
The reason I bring this up is because I don't understand people or the justice system and how we value the life of an animal more than that of a human being. Vick, if sent to prison would probably serve more time then this woman if convicted. And this is not the only case that is like this so I don't want people to assume I'm in favor of what Vick is accused of. But why is it we value the life of a dog more than humans? Why are people calling for the death or inprisionment of a person who abused a dog(s), and not saying anything about a murderer?

Well the woman was convicted of manslaughter. But that being said, it is an interesting observation, the uproar from vick is way larger that say kobe "not raping" that girl who-ever it was. They are talking about suspending vick for the year already, while kobe was in court that morning and on the court that evening. (that is kind of funny sorta) I do agree people's knee jerk reactions don't make alot of sense.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by MsEz2u
I'm sorry I think this Vick guy should be fried...We dont value animals more then people...But like someone said a few comments up, was that they are seen as innocent. Much like a child. They depend on YOU the person who owns them to provide food, love, comfort and a loving home. These animals were not put on this earth for our entertainment to beat and race and rope and set on fire and destroy how we see fit. Americans dont value LIFE anymore at all... human or animal. When something like this is brought to the attention of the american people, YES there is an out cry and its not because we value the dogs more. It's because we value the LIFE that is behind it.
This quote really hit me hard...
Second, do you really believe we as a country value animals over people? What kind of penalty would someone face if they killed their neighbors dog? A fine and that's about it.
I'm going to tell you something that still haunts my kids to this day that happend close to 10 yrs ago...My neighbor came into my yard where my cat was sitting in my flower bed and shot and killed my cat all right there in front of me and the kids. He looked at me and turned and walked away while stating how much he hated cats. Now do you think this kind of person should be allowed to walk around your house and your family waving a gun around and blasting things away just because he doesn't like them.... I sure don't.... The sergant that came out looked at me and said..."what do you want me to do, he hit what he was aiming at. It's just a cat"....well you know what it was MY CAT it was MY LIFE that I took into my house and fed and cared for. All he got was 6 months in jail and a 3,000 fine..So do you think that was to hard on him?????, What if he would have missed and hit me or one of my kids. Ohhh I'm sure the cops would have been all over him then... I'm sorry but when you can throw a dog to the ground over and over until his skull is crushed or drown them (which is a horrific way to die) or even worse electricute them all becuase they took the fun out of YOUR so called sport you were spending money on..You need to be stoned in every way imaginable. (maybe thats why im never picked to serve on a jury)...Whether he did this or not...He is still quilty. He owned the property, He knew it was going on, He backed the money and even placed bets....Humm then in my book he should HANG like the rest of them....guilt by association.
crazy

 

[happyvac]

Originally Posted by Jmick
This is completely rediculous on sooo many levels.
First, without Vick this more then likely would never have happened. You said yourself, he provided the capital and the place for the dog fighting and breeding to take place. So without Vick (aka Ron Mexico) this would never have happened...it a product of his money and support that made this whole operation take place. Therefore, he is no scapegoat because he not only knew what was happening but he also supported it with his $$ and he bet on it. The guy is a POS and I hope he pays for it by never playing in the NFL and it's going to cost him possibly 50mil to a 100mil in endorsements and salary...the guy is a scumbag and an idiot.
Second, do you really believe we as a country value animals over people? What kind of penalty would someone face if they killed their neighbors dog? A fine and that's about it. What would happen if you killed your neighbor in cold blood? Well, you'd go to prison and stay for a while. I don't see how some woman who was ruled insane can be compared to Vick? I think you need to do some fact checking and see how many people in the US are incarcerated for battery, murder and abuse to see just how much we as Americans value the lives of our fellow men and women.
Well, look at how much we spend on our pets - tens of billions of dollars every year, when there are millions of homeless and poor living right next to us.
I'm not saying that we value pets over people - but we do tend to take our dogs and cats to expensive groomers while turning a blind eye to the scraggly guy at the intersection.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by HappyVac
...while turning a blind eye to the scraggly guy at the intersection.
Next time you drive past the "scraggly" guy at the intersection please wave...
...........
.......................

I'll wave back!!!

 

[maxalmon]

Originally Posted by HappyVac
Well, look at how much we spend on our pets - tens of billions of dollars every year, when there are millions of homeless and poor living right next to us.
I'm not saying that we value pets over people - but we do tend to take our dogs and cats to expensive groomers while turning a blind eye to the scraggly guy at the intersection.
How many of use spend thousands on a reef tank? How many of us spend even more on luxury cars? $20 a month on internet access, imagine how much food that buys a 3rd world country child...It goes on and on.....Personally I try and spread the wealth, I donate my time to raise money for cancer research, just donated 5grand to help raise money for spay and neuter programs and pet rescue. Picked up a big Mac meal for a homeless guy the other day. If you just do a little, no matter what the cause, it all adds up.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by maxalmon
Picked up a big Mac meal for a homeless guy the other day. If you just do a little, no matter what the cause, it all adds up.
And it's contageous. Help if you can. Others will notice and some will copy. If every person went out of their way to help in some small way just once each day the world would change.
People tend to consider themselves insignificant and don't bother even trying to make a difference.
My advice to all:
Find a rescue mission (or other worthy cause) and write them a small check every payday. You may find that you sleep a little better at night.

 

[maxalmon]

Originally Posted by socal57che
And it's contageous. Help if you can. Others will notice and some will copy. If every person went out of their way to help in some small way just once each day the world would change.
People tend to consider themselves insignificant and don't bother even trying to make a difference.
My advice to all:
Find a rescue mission (or other worthy cause) and write them a small check every payday. You may find that you sleep a little better at night.
Your the man!
There are so many groups that fight for the the rights of this organization or that organization, my point is that that there are lots of people helping every cause, select the one that is important to you and help if you can, it's that simple

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by maxalmon
Your the man!
Not me. I'm not even worthy to wipe the feet fo the real Man.

 

[socal57che]

I did, however, adopt a dog last month from the local animal shelter.

 

[maxalmon]

It's all relative, you do good and your rewarded..... Just noticed you live in Oceanside...Many years and I do mean MANY ago I worked at the Optometry place at Camino Real at the bottom of the hill, had one of those at the time cheap condos on the beach. Before that owned one of the Victorians across from the BK at the railroad tracks...man that brings back memories...