Pitbulls... Let's have the debate.
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2quills
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I would definitely be willing to work a great deal for someone who actually wanted the dog. I don't know how comfortable I am bringing a young male into the house with two females (lucky dog). But I could probably make it work short term.
We'll have to see what happens tomorrow. This is actually a pretty screwed up thing at work. We're not just talking about a few benji's here. I think I will offer to take accept the dog and try to find it a home if she's willing to let us take it. But given the situation she's not going to have much of a choice. Either way she's losing her job and her home. The question is, does she want to pay back our investors money or does she want to go to jail. We can't send her to jail because she has kids with grand kids that rely on her. Plus she stays in a rental that one of our investors own. This should be interesting to say the least. I think the logical thing is to try and work with her to get back what we can in an effort to keep her out of jail before they have to vacate the premises.
BTW, you guys haven't seen aggressive until you've seen my wife run an office lol.
We'll have to see what happens tomorrow. This is actually a pretty screwed up thing at work. We're not just talking about a few benji's here. I think I will offer to take accept the dog and try to find it a home if she's willing to let us take it. But given the situation she's not going to have much of a choice. Either way she's losing her job and her home. The question is, does she want to pay back our investors money or does she want to go to jail. We can't send her to jail because she has kids with grand kids that rely on her. Plus she stays in a rental that one of our investors own. This should be interesting to say the least. I think the logical thing is to try and work with her to get back what we can in an effort to keep her out of jail before they have to vacate the premises.
BTW, you guys haven't seen aggressive until you've seen my wife run an office lol.
darthtang aw
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Cool, good luck.
That one there (the dane) is a handful. I probably wouldn't recommend them to a lot of people. The wife and I don't have kids in the house. The dogs are our kids and I get taxed sometimes between work, the house, the dogs and trying to have at least some personal time with the wife. I think there's a dog or dogs out there for every situation and it's clear that there are more than enough dogs to go around, probably too many. But since we can't have kids then our animals are pretty much our pack. And it's probably why we're are such suckers for rescues. Although, some rescues may not be such a good idea for everyone. Perhaps I am just judgmental even though I mean it in the most non-personal way possible.
I hear the comment That danes are a handful regularly. I don't get it at all. I have owned 4 and thionk they are one of te best breeds in all aspects. I just recently lost my last one (he truly was my dog) and can't bring myself to get another one. He was exceptional and no other dog will be able to measure up. This is the only reason I do not have a Great Dane right now.
darthtang aw
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Ship that bulldog out here... just make sure there are holes in the box!! :t^:
Bulldogs shouldn't fly. To many respiratory issues. Have to ship him ground..........:laughing:
Bulldogs shouldn't fly. To many respiratory issues. Have to ship him ground..........:laughing:
2quills
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508670
I hear the comment That danes are a handful regularly. I don't get it at all. I have owned 4 and thionk they are one of te best breeds in all aspects. I just recently lost my last one (he truly was my dog) and can't bring myself to get another one. He was exceptional and no other dog will be able to measure up. This is the only reason I do not have a Great Dane right now.
Let me refraze because she's not a bad dog at all. The regular theme that I've heard from owners is that once they've matured a little bit they tend to settle down then become and or are considered some of thee best family dogs. Right now, she's a horse who doesn't realize her own strength sometimes. Other then that she listens pretty well if I tell her to stop doing something or come in the house. She's just a super excitable dog is all, funny as all hell, just wants to play and be loved. Loves to run. They are kind of like the tangs of the dog world if you ask me from what I've seen with this one. When my buddy found her in a laundry mat behind the washing machines, it was mid summer (100 dregrees) and she was pretty thin. He brought her over and we thought she was a black lab pup. Boy, were we wrong lol.
If I do come home with the bull dog, I think I'll do what I can to find it a home locally first. Probably start with an add on our HOA website and see if anyone in the neighborhood wants him and then go from there.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508670
I hear the comment That danes are a handful regularly. I don't get it at all. I have owned 4 and thionk they are one of te best breeds in all aspects. I just recently lost my last one (he truly was my dog) and can't bring myself to get another one. He was exceptional and no other dog will be able to measure up. This is the only reason I do not have a Great Dane right now.
Let me refraze because she's not a bad dog at all. The regular theme that I've heard from owners is that once they've matured a little bit they tend to settle down then become and or are considered some of thee best family dogs. Right now, she's a horse who doesn't realize her own strength sometimes. Other then that she listens pretty well if I tell her to stop doing something or come in the house. She's just a super excitable dog is all, funny as all hell, just wants to play and be loved. Loves to run. They are kind of like the tangs of the dog world if you ask me from what I've seen with this one. When my buddy found her in a laundry mat behind the washing machines, it was mid summer (100 dregrees) and she was pretty thin. He brought her over and we thought she was a black lab pup. Boy, were we wrong lol.
If I do come home with the bull dog, I think I'll do what I can to find it a home locally first. Probably start with an add on our HOA website and see if anyone in the neighborhood wants him and then go from there.
snakeblitz33
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Danes are wayy to big for my liking. Their eyes droop and become red over time. Not something I like to see...
I still think pits are a great dog to have.
I still think pits are a great dog to have.
darthtang aw
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Danes are wayy to big for my liking. Their eyes droop and become red over time. Not something I like to see...
I still think pits are a great dog to have.
I have seen the droop eye in other danes, maybe I lucked out as my four never had that.
I still think pits are a great dog to have.
I have seen the droop eye in other danes, maybe I lucked out as my four never had that.
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508694
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508682
Danes are wayy to big for my liking. Their eyes droop and become red over time. Not something I like to see...
I still think pits are a great dog to have.
I have seen the droop eye in other danes, maybe I lucked out as my four never had that.
Could it be a something lacking in their health that causes that? Inadequate diet perhaps?
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508694
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508682
Danes are wayy to big for my liking. Their eyes droop and become red over time. Not something I like to see...
I still think pits are a great dog to have.
I have seen the droop eye in other danes, maybe I lucked out as my four never had that.
Could it be a something lacking in their health that causes that? Inadequate diet perhaps?
2quills
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Yeah im not sure that our dane is going to have too much of that either. Im guessing that's more of a problem with pure breads as a result of their big droopy jaws causing thier skin to sag. I'd imagine thats gotta be irritating on the eyes.
The black one that we have I think came from danes that were cross bred with black labs somewhere along the line. I dont expect her to get as huge as a full grown pure bred male.
But Iwouldn't rule out dietary concerns.
The black one that we have I think came from danes that were cross bred with black labs somewhere along the line. I dont expect her to get as huge as a full grown pure bred male.
But Iwouldn't rule out dietary concerns.
crimzy
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508682
Danes are wayy to big for my liking. Their eyes droop and become red over time. Not something I like to see...
I still think pits are a great dog to have.
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508694
I have seen the droop eye in other danes, maybe I lucked out as my four never had that.
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508696
Could it be a something lacking in their health that causes that? Inadequate diet perhaps?
A common cause of these types of eye issues in giant breeds is that their corneas are being scratched by small pieces of fur around the eyelid rubbing against the eye. The loose skin doesn't hold the fur tightly away from the face as in other dogs. But this is more commons with the newfys, saints, mastiffs, pyranees than with danes because they aren't quite as droopy as those others.
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508682
Danes are wayy to big for my liking. Their eyes droop and become red over time. Not something I like to see...
I still think pits are a great dog to have.
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508694
I have seen the droop eye in other danes, maybe I lucked out as my four never had that.
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508696
Could it be a something lacking in their health that causes that? Inadequate diet perhaps?
A common cause of these types of eye issues in giant breeds is that their corneas are being scratched by small pieces of fur around the eyelid rubbing against the eye. The loose skin doesn't hold the fur tightly away from the face as in other dogs. But this is more commons with the newfys, saints, mastiffs, pyranees than with danes because they aren't quite as droopy as those others.
darthtang aw
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Could it be a something lacking in their health that causes that? Inadequate diet perhaps?
To some degree yes. I do notice in danes that are on a lower quality diet, but it is also genetic and can be brought on by pulling to hard on a leash sometimes...but this usually results in cherry eye as well. it is almost always more prominent in Danes that have a stronger Mastiff lineage.
To some degree yes. I do notice in danes that are on a lower quality diet, but it is also genetic and can be brought on by pulling to hard on a leash sometimes...but this usually results in cherry eye as well. it is almost always more prominent in Danes that have a stronger Mastiff lineage.
What do you all feed your dogs? Just curious about that. I don't have a dog, nor have I ever really, though we had some family dogs growing up. I think I know enough about them to know that the stuff at the grocery stores should be avoided. My mom used to feed her dogs and cats that stuff and it looked horrid and smell rancid (even freshly opened).
2quills
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508726
What do you all feed your dogs? Just curious about that. I don't have a dog, nor have I ever really, though we had some family dogs growing up. I think I know enough about them to know that the stuff at the grocery stores should be avoided. My mom used to feed her dogs and cats that stuff and it looked horrid and smell rancid (even freshly opened).
Pretty much always stuck with science diet here with the three that we have now. Different formulas for the 2 big (growing dogs) vs the lil old poodle. She gets the healthy mobility stuff in small bites and less faty treats. Big dogs get lots of raw hides and they love beggin stripps.
We won't give them cooked food or anything with preservatives in it for humans. But right now the Dane is giving me that look because she doesn't want me to tell you guys about the time that she scarfed down a whole platter full of freshly bbq'd chicken wings from off the kitchen counter in under 2 minutes behind my back while I was out flipping the ribs.
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508726
What do you all feed your dogs? Just curious about that. I don't have a dog, nor have I ever really, though we had some family dogs growing up. I think I know enough about them to know that the stuff at the grocery stores should be avoided. My mom used to feed her dogs and cats that stuff and it looked horrid and smell rancid (even freshly opened).
Pretty much always stuck with science diet here with the three that we have now. Different formulas for the 2 big (growing dogs) vs the lil old poodle. She gets the healthy mobility stuff in small bites and less faty treats. Big dogs get lots of raw hides and they love beggin stripps.
We won't give them cooked food or anything with preservatives in it for humans. But right now the Dane is giving me that look because she doesn't want me to tell you guys about the time that she scarfed down a whole platter full of freshly bbq'd chicken wings from off the kitchen counter in under 2 minutes behind my back while I was out flipping the ribs.
darthtang aw
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Pretty much always stuck with science diet here with the three that we have now.
We won't give them cooked food or anything with preservatives in it for humans.
Cooked food is actually better than Science diet. There really isn't much difference between Science diet and say Purina or Pedigree. All ar cooked (extruded) under extremely high temp at a fast rate, removing a lot of nutrients in the food naturally. There is a reason so many kibble foods have to add back nutrients, vitamins, and minerals. Take the time one day to compare Science Diet with purina, I think you will be shocked. Especially from a preservative side of things. Some use natural preservatives...but when a bag of dog food has an expiration date of two years later, it is preserved with something.......
I feed all my dogs a raw diet. Dogs have the shortest digestive system of all animals. Thus things need to be broken down quicker. Their stomach has a higher concentration of hydrochloric acid than ours. This is to allow them to breakdown bones and such. The reason some dogs throw up and will reingest their food is not that they are sick, but that they ingested something physically larger than usual from a protien based item. Bones, etc... The stomach needs more time to break it down so it will pass to the small intestine and thus this natural reaction occurs.
Their digestive system was not meant to digest and handle a lot of grain based sustanance and for that matter not a large amount of vegetables either. Stop and think about it, when was the last time you saw a wild dog grazing in a corn or oat field. Grass sure, but this is usually a sign of a vitamin deficiency or an upset stomach.. But never grains....
My personal opinion In order of preference of type of food fed is the following,
A balanced Raw diet.
A Balanced home made cooked diet.
cans
Dry Kibble
Higher moisture content is the key to adequate and healthy digestion. Kibble dog foods do not allow for this as their moisture content usually sits at less than 2% if even 1%. Don't get me started on cats either.............
darthtang aw
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To give an example, Science diet in a 100 lb dog recommend 4-6.5 cups I believe. Most of the brands not using certain ingredients recommend 2.5-4.5 cups based off activity for the same weight of dog. Why such a difference?
2quills
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508750
To give an example, Science diet in a 100 lb dog recommend 4-6.5 cups I believe. Most of the brands not using certain ingredients recommend 2.5-4.5 cups based off activity for the same weight of dog. Why such a difference?
You're about to give me a schooling on dog food aren't you? lol
It's cool, I'm always game for catching up with things. Last I'd read was that some of the formulas were still considered a decent food. But perhaps it's time to read up again. I'll do some fact checking tonight and get back to you on that one. But if cooked is better and the vitamines are added back then what's making up the difference in weight?
Update on the bull dog situation: I don't think I'm going to get the dog on the last page (grandson is attached). But instead I've been told I can have this one which is of better breeding quality. The father (breeder) is an old timer starting to have some serious health issues. This was going to be his last batch but at this time he's not real able to put forth the effort in getting them sold. He just wants them to have a decent home.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508750
To give an example, Science diet in a 100 lb dog recommend 4-6.5 cups I believe. Most of the brands not using certain ingredients recommend 2.5-4.5 cups based off activity for the same weight of dog. Why such a difference?
You're about to give me a schooling on dog food aren't you? lol
It's cool, I'm always game for catching up with things. Last I'd read was that some of the formulas were still considered a decent food. But perhaps it's time to read up again. I'll do some fact checking tonight and get back to you on that one. But if cooked is better and the vitamines are added back then what's making up the difference in weight?
Update on the bull dog situation: I don't think I'm going to get the dog on the last page (grandson is attached). But instead I've been told I can have this one which is of better breeding quality. The father (breeder) is an old timer starting to have some serious health issues. This was going to be his last batch but at this time he's not real able to put forth the effort in getting them sold. He just wants them to have a decent home.
darthtang aw
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You're about to give me a schooling on dog food aren't you? lol
. But if cooked is better and the vitamines are added back then what's making up the difference in weight?
I am not understanding this question. Weight in what?
flower
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SUPER CUTE!
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/394151/pitbulls-lets-have-the-debate/120#post_3508753
SUPER CUTE!
darthtang aw
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Difference in weight or amount of food recomended per feeding between whichever products you are referring to. I was under the impression that they have more products these day that are all natural with no preservatives. Pretty sure thats what weve been feeding.
While this is the case asyou believe, it isn't exactly True.
Kibble Manufacturers extrude their food a different temperatures. The higher the quantity in the shortest amount of time, the increase in nutriet depletion through extrution. Adding back certain vitamins and minerals correct this, however these can be expensive in the overall cost to manufacture. Thus the need to feed higher amounts of food to meet guidelines of health. Ingredients can play a huge role in this as well. i know of several foods that have a 66% or higher meat content in them. These food generally require less cups of feeding for a few reasons, Meat doesn't lose as many nutrients through extrusion as grains and vegetables do. The other thing is these foods aren't in as a high of a demand and thus extrude at lower temperatures, 160 degrees instead of say 500 degrees so the nutrient loss is considerably less. They still add vitamins, minerals and even pro and prebiotics in many cases. This explains the difference.
An example...ol'roy about the worst and cheapest dog food around, takes 14 cups to feed a 100lb. dog.
While this is the case asyou believe, it isn't exactly True.
Kibble Manufacturers extrude their food a different temperatures. The higher the quantity in the shortest amount of time, the increase in nutriet depletion through extrution. Adding back certain vitamins and minerals correct this, however these can be expensive in the overall cost to manufacture. Thus the need to feed higher amounts of food to meet guidelines of health. Ingredients can play a huge role in this as well. i know of several foods that have a 66% or higher meat content in them. These food generally require less cups of feeding for a few reasons, Meat doesn't lose as many nutrients through extrusion as grains and vegetables do. The other thing is these foods aren't in as a high of a demand and thus extrude at lower temperatures, 160 degrees instead of say 500 degrees so the nutrient loss is considerably less. They still add vitamins, minerals and even pro and prebiotics in many cases. This explains the difference.
An example...ol'roy about the worst and cheapest dog food around, takes 14 cups to feed a 100lb. dog.