Plan to Deploy Guard at Border Worries Mexico

zsalinas

Member
Jhov, I agree with you when you say they should come over and begin the process of becoming legal. The ones that come over and just get on welfare and take everything free they can are the ones draining us. There are very hard working immigrants that come up and become legal. My step grandma being one of them. Just become legal is the bottom line. It might get a little scary though I don't want to start a war with Mexico over the whole thing you know. Mexico should be making it's country better. I know it's not just mexico it's a lot of South American countries as well.
 

radiolotek

Member
You know my thought on this is its about time. If you think about it illegals go to hospitals and get treatment for free because they cannot turn someone away. Where do you think all that money comes from to pay those bills. That's right, taxes. When an illegal has a baby in the hospital not only do we pay that bill but now they have a citizen (the baby) that quaifies the parents, even if they are illegal, to recive welfare. Yep we pay for that too. When you go to the dmv or a goverment buildiing and you see all the pamplets in multiple languages. Yep we pay for all that extra paper to make those and not to mention production costs on duplicate forms in multipule languages. My parents came here from Norway legally. Letting people stay and come illegally, not to mention giving them money, is like taking my parents and slapping them in the face. Jmo. I have so manny thoughts on this I could go for days but I will say I am happy about national guard at our border.
 

jhov2324

Member
There are two things we can never get away from TAXES and GOD, if you believe. If there were no illegals we would still be paying taxes, the government will find a way to make us pay for something else. And using someone illegal having a child or needing medical treatment as a cause, is inhumane. No matter who you are and where your from if your in need of medical help it should be provided. As for your parents them coming here legally should make them more proud of themselves and let nothing phase that. That is a great accomplishment to have done that back in the day. JMO
 

radiolotek

Member
I'm not saying let people die. But when they go to the hospital the majority don't ever make an attempt to pay their bills. Why should they? They have no credit report. No ***. I wish I could get free health care. If I don't pay I have bad credit. And I know we will always have taxes but don't you think they would be lower if welfare was cut by 80 percent? And we weren't paying unpaid bills.
 

jhov2324

Member
Originally Posted by Radiolotek
I'm not saying let people die. But when they go to the hospital the majority don't ever make an attempt to pay their bills. Why should they? They have no credit report. No ***. I wish I could get free health care. If I don't pay I have bad credit. And I know we will always have taxes but don't you think they would be lower if welfare was cut by 80 percent? And we weren't paying unpaid bills.
For Sure? But who's gonna pay those extra National Guardsmen. We are, therefore more taxes. Whether is going to welfare or the National Guard, we are going to pay it.
 

jhov2324

Member
I do think its a good idea that our boders are better controlled but give the people that are here a chance, well the ones who are trying to make it legally. If not, no more Tacos, no more Chinese food, no more Jamaican Beef Patties, bye bye shushi, lol, Me I love the Mexican Grandma they have cooking that great food in the Northside and I would hate to see her go. :)
 

radiolotek

Member
If someone is trying to become legal that is one thing but there are many many who don't wish to become legal. Those people need to go. There are illegals in reno here who say they don't consider california a us state and they are going to take oit back for mexico. And they are loyal to mexico not usa. Well I say ok bye bye now. Put em on a bus and ship em off.
 

jhov2324

Member
Originally Posted by Radiolotek
This may sound rude but I'd rather pay to have secure borders than pay someone to break the law.
I'm not trying to offend you. What if you have family in Norway who would like to come to this country but can only come illegaly. And once established become legal and can only be done with your help. That can't happen if we stop letting people in. How would you feel about that then?
 

radiolotek

Member
Your not offending me. Everyone has their own oppinions. I wish my family would of stayed there. Its beautiful. I love the us but man. Lol I love snow and blondes. Lmao. But seriously that is a tough situation but it can be done. There are people who have done it. I think it may take a while but you need to respect the laws of the country you want to live in. And ours say you need a visa or to be legal before living here.
 

jhov2324

Member
At the end of it all your right, those are the laws. But what law isn't broken or bended? Hey it was cool talking to ya about this, time to go home. Later.
 

zsalinas

Member
I think a lot of the problem is the people are coming in and have no desire to become legal. Like radio said they come here illegally and are loyal to mexico. They are getting a bunch of free stuff. I to wish I could just not pay bills and still get free money. It's ridiculous we've EVER supported this type of behavoir!
 

phixer

Active Member
Cleaning up Mexico is not our problem. Securing our borders is. I will pay extra for strawberries if I have too if it means fixing the problem but dont feel it needs to come to that. Illeagal immigration drives down American wages and raises taxes. Why cant prisoners pick strawberries for free.
Some businesses would rather pay an illeagal alien $5 instead of an American citizen $20 an hr. Enough jobs have already been outsourced because of this mentality. Who pays in the long run, the American citizen.
I mean who told someone to have 50 kids, strain the economy and force everyone else to pay for it. It dosent make sense. If one cannot support 50 kids then why continue to keep reproducing. This just does not seem like very responsible behavior, it deprives children , strains the economy and burdens society in general. It seems like a major contributing factor to poverty is overpopulation. I dont understand why folks cant see this :notsure:
Three things need to be done.
1. Militarize the border
2. Target businesses who employ illeagal aliens
3. Enforce the existing laws
 

pontius

Active Member
illegal workers pay a total of $7 billion to social security every year, and cost over $20 billion a year in healthcare and social programs. this is with 12 million illegals. now with 3-5 million illegals coming here every year, do the math over a 10 or 20 year period. This is coupled with the fact that baby boomers are beginning to retire and that by the time the last has retired, there will be 2 retirees for every 1 LEGAL taxpaying worker. Our economy cannot withstand this. so don't ask me "who will pick the strawberries and lettuce?".....I have a choice as to whether or not to buy strawberries and lettuce, I have no choice as far as taxes are concerned.
secondly, over half of what is made by illegals each year is sent back to Mexico. so El Presidente Fox is benefitting on several different levels.......1. his country is becoming richer, even though it is becoming less populated. 2. he is supporting Mexico's unskilled workers coming to the US, which helps his country's unemployment rate. 3. they're profitting, while we're paying for it. so whoever said we need to fix Mexico's problems, I say we've been helping them all these years. Is Fox cutting us a break on oil prices for all the illegals that we have here? absolutely not. Is Fox paying any of the $13 billion above what the illegals pay in taxes each year to help us with the financial strain that they're placing on the US? absolutely not. so as far as I'm concerned, Mexico's problem is Mexico's problem.
it comes down to business. paying an unskilled Mexican worker $5 an hour under the table is like paying an unskilled American worker $7 or $8 an hour. the difference there is that the businesses don't have to pay taxes or benefits for illegals. so like somebody else asked....who is paying for the social programs and healthcare? WE ARE. big business is profitting off illegal labor while cutting out American jobs and passing the bill onto the very people that they're crapping on.....the American middle class. so I'd like anybody to justify that. Bush said his goal is for the guest worker program to document guest workers and make them legal taxpayers. sorry, this doesn't work, because it defeats the purpose of hiring illegals to begin with.
as far as product price increases.......who saves money by hiring illegal immigrants? it's not us, I can promise you. if you drive through any new housing development, you'll see illegal immigrants working on new houses. this is one reason I call "bull" on the whole "they do jobs Americans won't do" thing, because I know many people in construction that can't get jobs for being outbid by non-taxpaying workers. so if illegals are building the houses, why are the prices 50%-100% higher than they were 10 years ago???? because the businesses are saving the money and making the profits.
don't be fooled, know the facts.
 

chipmaker

Active Member
OI donlt have a problem with them building a fence or even laying out a mine field. Foreigners need to respect nborders and countries laws. No one is really wanting to keep them out but they have this assinine assumption that they got here and are here now so they should be able to stay here or go to the front of the line. I say fill ouot the paper work, take your chances on security check and paper work, get in line and wait like everyone else did that is now a bona fide citizen. English is America s tongue.Why do we need signs and everything else printed in spanish. If yu live here you should be able to read and speak english, perhaps not quite as well as a native born and schooled individual would but certainly to the point its understandable....Why do we as taxpayers have to foot their extraneous medical bills and cost to school them, when rthey really contribute little to the economhy or community as they live on bare essentials and send all the money home out of country. Hell even the military has a means of keeping GI's in foreign lands from sending more than a certain amaount home in a month.......but the illegals can rob, and sell dope and send it all home and still get most all if not more benefits for free at american citizens expense...(don't take it the wrong way about robbing and dope selling as all do not do it buyt odds are the ones doing it are illegals and all are felons until they leave or get a green card or become citizens.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Once the illegals get a visa or whatever do you think the Strawberry pickers are going to continue working for 5 bux an hour?
I think they should shore up the border and enforce laws against hiring illegals. Increase the immigration quotas and end public services to anyone in the coutry illegally. The ones already here should have no special treatment. If we catch you we deport you. That doesn't mean we have to go on a roundup. That is a bad idea on many different fronts. If you can gain legal status through the increased quotas then fine but your days of living outside the system are over.
I was all for giving them work visas before the protests started. Not any more. I for one am sick and tired of seeing people demanding we forgive them for violating our laws.
 

phixer

Active Member
Man you guys bring up some good points. Mine the borders :hilarious that would probably be the most effective way. It works for Isreal. This is basically and invasion IMO, most politicians are spineless cowards when it comes to this because they think they will loose votes when the legal kids born to illegal parents vote. If this problem isnt stopped soon and we dont take our country back it will be too late. As someone mentioned the laws already exist but are just ignored. Pontius is right, Fox just wants to import his problems over here the way Castro did. You should see it down here, seems like a different protest every week. Sounds like the President is starting to listen though.
 

tangwhispr

Member
Originally Posted by Phixer
Man you guys bring up some good points. Mine the borders :hilarious that would probably be the most effective way. It works for Isreal. This is basically and invasion IMO, most politicians are spineless cowards when it comes to this because they think they will loose votes when the legal kids born to illegal parents vote. If this problem isnt stopped soon and we dont take our country back it will be too late. As someone mentioned the laws already exist but are just ignored. Pontius is right, Fox just wants to import his problems over here the way Castro did. You should see it down here, seems like a different protest every week. Sounds like the President is starting to listen though.

Maybe a controled fire along the border, at least if they came over they'd have to jump it on a scooter or something....at least get some entertainment outta it!
 

darth tang

Active Member
Three things need to be done.
1. Militarize the border
2. Target businesses who employ illeagal aliens
3. Enforce the existing laws
I agree with this. But what many people DON'T know is there wasn't even a way to double check if a social security number was valid till recently (last year or so). Basically a compaqny couldn't enquire with the government to have the number validated. Social security would do all the checking and they would take about three years. So, if an employee has a social security number and a driver's license the company was obligated to hire them if they could perform the job without a check on the paperwork. Three years later they would be contacted and informed the social security number was invalid and they need to resubmit a new one from the employee. The company would let the employee know (couldn't fire them or let them go at this point) and give them 1 month to submit a vali social security number.
This happenned at a company I was a supervisor for. We had checked all the paperwork as legally as we could and we still got a call about 15 of our employees. We talked with the employees and when we told them we needed a new social security number guess what...........they disappeared. No law enforcement was allowed in on the problem either. This was the procedure.
Now companies have a program that is only a pilot program to check this out and the bugs have not been worked out. So you can't totally hold the companies accountable as they may be crossing all their t's and dotting their I's and still hiring illegals unknowingly.
And to the guy worried about where we will send him as he is half mexican and half puerto rican.......You are an american citizen if you are puerto rican....pay attention.
Why should I care about how bad it is Mexico? They have their government to blame, let them fix the monetary problems. If we close the borders, companies that rely on low wage vegetable pickers will most likely move their company to Mexico and grow the vegetables there. Problem solved, the immigrants don't have to sneak in as the "jobs" will come to them and our border will be secured.
I find it funny how people worry about the price of lettuce or cabbage going up because the people that do it so cheaply won't be around. Pay attention....we can solve this problem also, welfare chaecks will only be paid out if you work 20 hours a week picking lettuce. Problem solved. No more FREE money. Unemployment rate will go down. Do you honestly think the percentage of people in this country illegally is greater than the unemployment percentage?
 
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