darth tang
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Oh, and Mexico is now suing us over this border thing.
Plan to Deploy Guard at Border Worries Mexico
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jhov2324
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Anyone seen the movie THE Day After Tommorrow... remember when Americans were crossing the border illegally.. when Mexico closes its borders to Americans I'll have my spot in Mexico, laughing at ya, trying to run across, and then start a thread, WHY DO "LEGAL AMERICANS" need Mexico. HAHAHAHAH (Evil Laugh) LOL.
lovethesea
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Originally Posted by Darth Tang
Oh, and Mexico is now suing us over this border thing.
Oh, and Mexico is now suing us over this border thing.
chipmaker
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I think everyone should bring an illegal alien to their work with them.............it would be much easier to round them all up and deport them, unless they decide to have another march to demand rights.......which I still can not comprehend....NON-citizens demonstating on american soil demanding something for nothing, and thats what it is, They got a pay check we owe them nothing more, they really owe us more than they pay as they take more than they give....education / health care/extra communications & printing in spanish/ majority of wages go south of the border to bolster Mexico and points further south. Let Mexico sue...
lovethesea
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Originally Posted by chipmaker
I think everyone should bring an illegal alien to their work with them................
kind of like Bring Your Kids To Work Day.... :thinking:
Heck...I could just go over to the house down the street. They are having a new roof put on. Come to think of it, I wonder if the home owner is getting a really good deal because of the cheap labor on his roof?
Something tells me.......NO.
I think everyone should bring an illegal alien to their work with them................
Heck...I could just go over to the house down the street. They are having a new roof put on. Come to think of it, I wonder if the home owner is getting a really good deal because of the cheap labor on his roof?
pontius
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Originally Posted by Jhov2324
Anyone seen the movie THE Day After Tommorrow... remember when Americans were crossing the border illegally.. when Mexico closes its borders to Americans I'll have my spot in Mexico, laughing at ya, trying to run across, and then start a thread, WHY DO "LEGAL AMERICANS" need Mexico. HAHAHAHAH (Evil Laugh) LOL.
that was a fictional movie, how does it apply?
Anyone seen the movie THE Day After Tommorrow... remember when Americans were crossing the border illegally.. when Mexico closes its borders to Americans I'll have my spot in Mexico, laughing at ya, trying to run across, and then start a thread, WHY DO "LEGAL AMERICANS" need Mexico. HAHAHAHAH (Evil Laugh) LOL.
that was a fictional movie, how does it apply?
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sinner's girl
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You know my thought on this is its about time. If you think about it illegals go to hospitals and get treatment for free because they cannot turn someone away. Where do you think all that money comes from to pay those bills. That's right, taxes. When an illegal has a baby in the hospital not only do we pay that bill but now they have a citizen (the baby) that quaifies the parents, even if they are illegal, to recive welfare. Yep we pay for that too. When you go to the dmv or a goverment buildiing and you see all the pamplets in multiple languages. Yep we pay for all that extra paper to make those and not to mention production costs on duplicate forms in multipule languages.
Ditto.
Originally Posted by Radiolotek
But when they go to the hospital the majority don't ever make an attempt to pay their bills.
But who's gonna pay those extra National Guardsmen. We are, therefore more taxes. Whether is going to welfare or the National Guard, we are going to pay it.
Okay, but the money going to the extra National Guardsmen, will most likely stay in the U.S. Will go towards that family, and he/she'll pay taxes and buy goods. I'd rather pay for guardsmen than someone's hospital stay who isn't paying taxes.
Ditto.
Originally Posted by Radiolotek
But when they go to the hospital the majority don't ever make an attempt to pay their bills.
But who's gonna pay those extra National Guardsmen. We are, therefore more taxes. Whether is going to welfare or the National Guard, we are going to pay it.
Okay, but the money going to the extra National Guardsmen, will most likely stay in the U.S. Will go towards that family, and he/she'll pay taxes and buy goods. I'd rather pay for guardsmen than someone's hospital stay who isn't paying taxes.
chipmaker
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I have been around ther National Guard for a ong long time, and one thng is they have XXXXX amount of money allocated to each and every unit for day to day funding of projects and operations. This money is theirs to work with each and every 1 Oct as thats when their fiscal years starts. Most units horde the money until the end month or two then blow it on what ever they want....deployments to HAwaii, new top of the line office furniture etyc etc........or burn it up on mandays by allowing the "good old boys" top pull a month or two of active duty at their home station and kick back and do nothing.........Activation deployments called onthem by DOD is yet another funded item, that costs the guard nothing out of its operating funds.......so what would yu rather see a well maintained guarded border with out a unit getting new wall to wall carpet in the offices or an unguarded border and new office furnishings and the entire lot of good old boys dragging down unit manday active duty days and do nothing......Yes the guard does a lot when deployed and during traiing, but the money they get and how some units use it leaves a lot to be desired. Lookat what the regular units operate with in regards to furnishings, rank layaout etc, then go look atb a Guard unit, and see their operation....YThere is probably 10 times the rank structure with less responsibilities, and a lot more benefits overall, so its about time they are doping work stateside as well, and to be honest, its only the last couple of years the guard is actually pulling their own weight, as its been a constant problem with the guard and the way they do things as compared to a regular active duty unit...when n all reality they should be structured identical and do things identical so there is a method and means.
radiolotek
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And do you realy think the cost of paying extra guardsmen is gonna be more than the money we save by not paying hospital bills and all the welfare and food stamps collected. Not by far. We would save billions. Not to mention all the money we would save by doing away with all the printed material in multiple languages. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be an ass but I want this country to be taken care of and respected. Not spit on and trampled. Btw. Illegals started protesting because we wanted to make it a felony to be here illegally. Guess what. If I go to mexico illegally I get put in prison. It is a felony to go to mexico illegally. But they want to come here scott free. I don't want any part of that.
pontius
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Originally Posted by Radiolotek
And do you realy think the cost of paying extra guardsmen is gonna be more than the money we save by not paying hospital bills and all the welfare and food stamps collected. Not by far. We would save billions. Not to mention all the money we would save by doing away with all the printed material in multiple languages. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be an ass but I want this country to be taken care of and respected. Not spit on and trampled. Btw. Illegals started protesting because we wanted to make it a felony to be here illegally. Guess what. If I go to mexico illegally I get put in prison. It is a felony to go to mexico illegally. But they want to come here scott free. I don't want any part of that.
I'll answer that first question for you with numbers.......the illegals cost us $20 billion a year in healthcare and social services.
9,000 guardsmen on the border being paid $40,000 each per year (which would be A LOT more than they make, I'd imagine) comes out to $360 million a year.
so no, the cost of more guardsmen along the border doesn't come anywhere close to what the illegals cost us.
And do you realy think the cost of paying extra guardsmen is gonna be more than the money we save by not paying hospital bills and all the welfare and food stamps collected. Not by far. We would save billions. Not to mention all the money we would save by doing away with all the printed material in multiple languages. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be an ass but I want this country to be taken care of and respected. Not spit on and trampled. Btw. Illegals started protesting because we wanted to make it a felony to be here illegally. Guess what. If I go to mexico illegally I get put in prison. It is a felony to go to mexico illegally. But they want to come here scott free. I don't want any part of that.
I'll answer that first question for you with numbers.......the illegals cost us $20 billion a year in healthcare and social services.
9,000 guardsmen on the border being paid $40,000 each per year (which would be A LOT more than they make, I'd imagine) comes out to $360 million a year.
so no, the cost of more guardsmen along the border doesn't come anywhere close to what the illegals cost us.
phixer
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Not to mention that protecting national security is the mission of the national guard and that the NG is contributing to our society, not taking away and draining it. Sorry but national security far outwieghs cheaper produce. As mentioned before prisoners can pick strawberries for free.
alaredsox
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My buddy at work has the right idea on how to make this work. Keep in mind we work in a government installation on an Army post and the current proposal is not a good fix for the problem. It just means another indefinite deployment without a clear executable plan. Basically our border will be protected 2 weekends a month.
The way to approach this situation is to give every Mexican a US Tax ID number and open our border completely. If they choose to work in the states they will pay taxes, if not then they still have the option but are not required to pay income tax. Basically set it up as a commonwealth. THEN we help them seal their southern border. Their border is MUCH smaller and easier to monitor. Voila! Instant drop in South American drug trade and Mexico and the US are MUCH richer. It really would be a win-win situation. Mexican citizens would not be elligible to vote but would be legal to work. The Mexican southern border would also require only a handful of troops as opposed to thousands. As far as language is concerned....I agree that they should at least be able to communicate clearly in English. However, we do not have an official language which means that it is not illegal or even wrong for them to speak their native tongue. We have just as much responsibility to learn Spanish if we know we will be working with them. Our forefathers had the foresight to understand that if we were to truly be a nation of free souls then we could not put limitations on language and creed (later race). Ever go to france or certain parts of germany where they wont even look at you if you cant speak their language FLUENTLY?? Its the same thing. Prejudice. The only difference is that they do have an official language. And to whoever said that having multiple official languages doesnt work I beg to differ. Most EU countried have at least 2 official lanaguages and often times many more.
The way to approach this situation is to give every Mexican a US Tax ID number and open our border completely. If they choose to work in the states they will pay taxes, if not then they still have the option but are not required to pay income tax. Basically set it up as a commonwealth. THEN we help them seal their southern border. Their border is MUCH smaller and easier to monitor. Voila! Instant drop in South American drug trade and Mexico and the US are MUCH richer. It really would be a win-win situation. Mexican citizens would not be elligible to vote but would be legal to work. The Mexican southern border would also require only a handful of troops as opposed to thousands. As far as language is concerned....I agree that they should at least be able to communicate clearly in English. However, we do not have an official language which means that it is not illegal or even wrong for them to speak their native tongue. We have just as much responsibility to learn Spanish if we know we will be working with them. Our forefathers had the foresight to understand that if we were to truly be a nation of free souls then we could not put limitations on language and creed (later race). Ever go to france or certain parts of germany where they wont even look at you if you cant speak their language FLUENTLY?? Its the same thing. Prejudice. The only difference is that they do have an official language. And to whoever said that having multiple official languages doesnt work I beg to differ. Most EU countried have at least 2 official lanaguages and often times many more.
darth tang
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Screw it. Annex Mexico as the 51st state. Then our border will be south of Mexico and much smaller and easier to patrol.
(sarcasm off)
Incidentally congress is now passing a bill to build a fence of approximately 300 some odd miles along the border right now. About time.
(sarcasm off)
Incidentally congress is now passing a bill to build a fence of approximately 300 some odd miles along the border right now. About time.
halo_frk03
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Originally Posted by Darth Tang
Screw it. Annex Mexico as the 51st state. Then our border will be south of Mexico and much smaller and easier to patrol.
(sarcasm off)
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lol.... or we could start an american empire and take over the world!! :thinking:
no jk
but i do agree with most everything said.... ihave no problems with immigrants coming into this country as long as they come in legally.... and they must must must be able to speak english... dont have to give up spanish or whatever other languages but america speaks english
Screw it. Annex Mexico as the 51st state. Then our border will be south of Mexico and much smaller and easier to patrol.
(sarcasm off)
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lol.... or we could start an american empire and take over the world!! :thinking:
but i do agree with most everything said.... ihave no problems with immigrants coming into this country as long as they come in legally.... and they must must must be able to speak english... dont have to give up spanish or whatever other languages but america speaks english
jhov2324
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In case ya didn't know American English is comprived of Latin and other languages, and more than 50% of Americans can't even speak good english, but your right they should learn the language, it's alittle annoying when the delivery man or a teacher or doctor or cab driver or waiter speaks and you don't understand them.
halo_frk03
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Originally Posted by Jhov2324
In case ya didn't know American English is comprived of Latin and other languages, and more than 50% of Americans can't even speak good english, but your right they should learn the language, it's alittle annoying when the delivery man or a teacher or doctor or cab driver or waiter speaks and you don't understand them.
i knew that and im not saying that everyone should speak perfect english... and i agree... very annoying when u cant understand what people are saying!
and i was born here in america
In case ya didn't know American English is comprived of Latin and other languages, and more than 50% of Americans can't even speak good english, but your right they should learn the language, it's alittle annoying when the delivery man or a teacher or doctor or cab driver or waiter speaks and you don't understand them.
i knew that and im not saying that everyone should speak perfect english... and i agree... very annoying when u cant understand what people are saying!
and i was born here in america
coachklm
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your paying extra guardsman........ they get paid already i dont get it ... not only that...
they are on a fixed pay scale....... your not paying them "extra" at all.
the projects and materials will come from a budget that gets handed down to major commands... many of the materials used will come from surplus...I've been to these military surplus sites on many different bases.......there is well over enough triple strand constatina wire to cover the border 6 times....equipment will not be problematic ...
I think it's a problem for our police force to have to learn 20 different languages to understand and assist these "americans" that cant speak a lick of english and then they("these americans") go and sue the police force for "stuff" because they couldnt understand them.......
To Each Their Own....
they are on a fixed pay scale....... your not paying them "extra" at all.
the projects and materials will come from a budget that gets handed down to major commands... many of the materials used will come from surplus...I've been to these military surplus sites on many different bases.......there is well over enough triple strand constatina wire to cover the border 6 times....equipment will not be problematic ...
I think it's a problem for our police force to have to learn 20 different languages to understand and assist these "americans" that cant speak a lick of english and then they("these americans") go and sue the police force for "stuff" because they couldnt understand them.......
To Each Their Own....