Please don't vote for McCain

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2470445
a year ago
updated 1:41 p.m. ET, Fri., Jan. 12, 2007
WASHINGTON - Potential presidential rivals John McCain and Barack Obama are joining with newly independent Sen. Joe Lieberman on a plan they say would reduce annual global-warming gases by two-thirds by mid-century.....
That bill didn't come to fruition Rylan.
You said Obama had more experience than Hillary at reaching across the aisle to get bipartisan legislation passed.
My question remains: Name ONE bill Obama has written and sponsored that has passed the Senate.
 
reefraff

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Here's Bobo's latst idea
Accuracy in Media editor Cliff Kincaid disclosed today that a hugely expensive bill called the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic Senator Barack Obama, was quickly passed by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. Kincaid said that the major media's cover-up of the bill, which makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations, demonstrates the media's desire to see Senator Obama elected to the presidency.
In a column posted on the AIM web site, Kincaid noted that Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was trying to rush Obama's "Global Poverty Act" (S. 2433) through his committee without hearings. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends. It was scheduled for a Thursday vote but was moved up a day, to Wednesday, and rushed through by voice vote. Kincaid learned, however, that conservative Senators have now put a "hold" on the legislation, in order to prevent it from being rushed to the floor for a full Senate vote.
http://www.aim.org/press-release/aim...obal-tax-bill/
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2470450
WMD's is not mustard gas... Did he have nukes? There is a major difference in terms of what he does to a few hundred people locally and the capablity of launching a nuke that would affect more people than those in the immediate area. Mustard gas has nothing to do with our national security.
Mustard gas is not a WMD? Only Nukes are classified as WMD's? Mustard gas has nothing to do with National Security?
Ok... let's take these one at a time. Please read and look this up for yourself Rylan. You've had this explained before.
first off, the UN considers Mustard Gas a WMD, even if you don't. http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...q.inspections/
And from the UN itself: http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/...-munitions.pdf
It's estimated over 90,000 soldiers alone died to Mustard Gas spread by Artillery Shells during WW1.
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/...-munitions.pdf (same link as above. Discusses both Mustard and Sarin gasses)
How about Sarin Gas? Remember in 1995 a few cultists in the Tokyo sub ways released a few hundred grams of poorly manufactored (not weaponized) and impure Sarin. 12 died, over 5,000 were injured.
Want to continue arguing either of these aren't WMD's? Chemical and Biological weapons, in addition to Nuclear weapons, can be classified as WMD's.
Moving on; the fact that both Sarin and Mustard Gas were found (an terrorists have attempted to use) in Iraq since we toppled Saddam proves two things. First, that the inspection teams of the UN failed. They clearly missed some WMD's. Second, the fact taht terrorists have tried to use the WMD's in Iraq shows it is a potential National Security Risk. If they will use the WMD's against our troops they will use them against our civilians.
 
salty blues

salty blues

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Originally Posted by m0nk
http:///forum/post/2469661
Personally I'm don't want someone legislating from the Bible in office either, but I wouldn't vote for McCain unless, like you, it was a contest between he and Hillary.

You know this seems to keep coming up. Actually, Huckabee has never stated any such desire. As usual this is a left wing media concoction. I mean do you really think that a former Baptist preacher from Arkansas is going to force religion on you. Personally, I believe Huckabee is a moral person. That does not scare me at all. At any rate he is eons better for the country than Billary.
 
tangman99

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reefraff

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2470672
You know this seems to keep coming up. Actually, Huckabee has never stated any such desire. As usual this is a left wing media concoction. I mean do you really think that a former Baptist preacher from Arkansas is going to force religion on you. Personally, I believe Huckabee is a moral person. That does not scare me at all. At any rate he is eons better for the country than Billary.
I don't remember his exact words but Huckabee did make the statement that we need to change the Constitution to suit the scriptures or something to that effect talking about the right to life amendment. Politically it was a boneheaded thing to say. It was a golden soundbite to rally secularists.
 
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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2469651
This country is still too short sighted to elect a black president with a muslim sounding name.
Well, considering he is Muslim.
McCain for PRESIDENT.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by MOPARDWH
http:///forum/post/2470738
Well, considering he is Muslim.
McCain for PRESIDENT.
To be fair, he is not Muslim.
His father is Muslim, but Obama does not attend a Mosque. He attends a Church (though I would argue that the particular church's theology is twisted beyond reasoning).
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2470745
the particular church's theology is twisted beyond reasoning).
Excellent point. I read somewhere, yahoo news I think, that his church had strong ties to the Black Panthers. I'll look it up to be sure.
And as stated by someone earlier, it's Huckabee's morals that stem from his faith that I appreciate.
 
tarball

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Folks, let's face it: the terms "conservative" and "liberal," "Republican" and "Democrat" mean very little these days. Instead of thinking in traditional terms, we need to start thinking in terms of "American" and "Globalist." Once we come to realize that the vast majority of the national candidates from both parties are Globalists at heart, it would be a simple matter to repudiate them, fire the ones that are already there, and start electing some real Americans to high public office once again. I don't know about anyone else, but that's the way I'm voting from now on. Hmm, I wonder who will be on the election ballet outside the 2 parties?...

Democrats.... Republicans..... same crap just different piles.
 
reefraff

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Most of that is no big deal but the non negotiable committment to the mother continent crap is troubling.
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2471057
Most of that is no big deal but the non negotiable committment to the mother continent crap is troubling.
It was only fair to link to the actual church website so people could see what their mission statement was like.
I agree, for the most part it seems harmless. On the other hand, when the church pushes an agenda other than Christ, I become more than a little concerned.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/2470676
NOTE TO SELF:
If planning to debate a point with 1Journeyman, know your subject intimately or bring a silver platter so you are prepared to have you *** handed to you.


That is why I like debating with Joureny around, I get tired of posting the same links over and over to the same people and having them glaze right over it as if nothing was posted. Journey on the other hand will not relent....I love it.
Oh and Journey, meant a year, not a month for that bill.
And of course has shown no bills passing the senate and only one "reaching" across the aisle.
 
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